What Happens When Your Country Drowns?

Meet the people of Tuvalu, the world's first climate refugees.
IT'S A BRIGHT, BALMY SUNDAY afternoon and I'm driving through the western outskirts of Auckland, New Zealand, the kind of place you never see on a postcard. No majestic mountains, no improbably green pastures—just a bland tangle of shopping malls and suburbia. I follow a dead-end street, past a rubber plant, a roofing company, a drainage service, and a plastics manufacturer, until I reach a white building behind a chain-link fence. Inside is a kernel of a nation within a nation—a sneak preview of what a climate change exodus looks like.
This is the Tuvalu Christian Church, the heart of a migrant community from what may be the first country to be rendered unlivable by global warming. Tuvalu is the fourth-smallest nation on Earth: six coral atolls and three reef islands flung across 500,000 square miles of ocean, about halfway between Australia and Hawaii. It has few natural resources to export and no economy to speak of; its gross domestic product relies heavily on the sale of its desirable Internet domain suffix, which is .tv, and a modest trade in collectible stamps. Tuvalu's total land area is just 16 square miles, of which the highest point stands 16 feet above the waterline. Tuvaluans, who have a high per-capita incidence of good humor, refer to the spot as "Mount Howard," after the former Australian prime minister who refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol.
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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has warned that low-lying island nations are particularly endangered by rising seas and will also be buffeted by more frequent and more violent storms. Already, warmer ocean temperatures are eating away at the coral reefs that form Tuvalu's archipelagic spine. Tuvaluans themselves point to more tangible indicators of trouble—the "king tides" that increasingly sluice their homes, the briny water oozing up into the "grow pits" where they used to cultivate taro and other vegetables. As Julia Whitty predicted in this magazine in 2003, the prognosis has become sufficiently dire that the residents of Tuvalu and other low-lying atoll islands "are beginning to envision the wholesale abandonment of their nations." Around one-fifth of the 12,000-some inhabitants have already left, most bound for New Zealand, where the Tuvaluan community has nearly tripled since 1996.
Inside the church I find a vibrant scene, suggesting both the resilience of Tuvaluan culture and its ability to adapt. Rows of green plastic chairs are filled with several hundred chattering churchgoers, some in traditional lavalavas—vivid cotton skirts emblazoned with flowers—others in Western dresses and suits. A border of bright blue, yellow, and pink stars rings the upper walls—in Tuvalu these might be constructed from frangipani blossoms, but here they are woven from the plastic bands used to tether shipping cargo. As soon as I sit down, a young man in a dapper dark suit strikes up a conversation. He came here in 1997, is making good money, and hasn't been home once. "You may have heard the news about Tuvalu—with global warming, the sea is rising," he says cheerfully. "So better we come here to be safe." Tuvaluans, resigned to fielding reporters' questions about their homeland's impending doom, often offer observations like this unprompted.
The tiny island of Tepuka Savilivili is among those most at risk of disappearing.
After the service, the congregation drifts outside to the gravelly yard, where a group of visitors from the islands is reenacting the crucifixion of Christ on a makeshift stage draped with threadbare astroturf. Reverend Elisala Selu, a thoughtful, soft-spoken man who has worked second jobs to avoid burdening his congregants, explains that Tuvaluan politicians are reluctant to encourage the mass evacuation of their voting base, and so the church, wanting people to be prepared, has taken matters into its own hands. It instructs followers not to assume that, like Noah, they will be delivered by God from the rising waters, and hosts groups of congregants who visit New Zealand to see if they might like to relocate here. But, Selu confides, life in New Zealand isn't always easy. The Tuvaluans are one of the country's poorest communities. Just over half the adults have found work; the median income is about $17,000 for men, $10,000 for women. There are those here illegally—overstayers, in Pacific parlance—who struggle to make ends meet; Tuvaluans on the run from debt collectors after buying cars on shady financing schemes; children left unattended for long hours because their parents work multiple jobs as cleaners or laborers or farmworkers. Then there's the jarring adjustment to urban Auckland from a place where most citizens don't pay rent or buy food, but sleep on grass mats beside the road on warm nights, go fishing or pick breadfruit when they're hungry, and where, as one jovial Tuvaluan remarked to me, "the only crime is cycling in the night without a torch [flashlight]." Selu frets about the new generation of Tuvaluan children born in New Zealand. "We try to run away from the sea rise in Tuvalu, but this is another sea-level rise," he says with a wry smile. "The next generation gets caught by two cultures. Before Tuvalu sinks physically, our identity might sink in a foreign country."
Tuvalu and other low-lying island countries like Kiribati and the Maldives are, in one sense, the starkest example of how climate change will reshape the world. But Auckland's Tuvaluan community also represents a best-case scenario—so far their migration has been orderly, and their numbers are minuscule compared with the millions of impoverished people who live in global warming hot spots like Africa's Sahel, coastal Bangladesh, and Vietnam's deltas. Koko Warner, an expert on climate change and migration at the United Nations University in Bonn, says the displacement of those populations could be "a phenomenon of a scope not experienced in human history."
Yet little has been done to prepare. In fact, our understanding of exactly how global warming will affect people—how many lives will be threatened, and what we could do to avert a succession of humanitarian disasters—remains extremely rudimentary. As Bill Gates has caustically observed, "It is interesting how often the impact of climate change is illustrated by talking about the problems the polar bears will face rather than the much greater number of poor people who will die unless significant investments are made to help them."
IN JUNE, I TRAVELED to the verdant, secluded campus of Columbia University's Earth Institute, near the New York Palisades, to find out how global warming will reconfigure the world's political geography. Earth Institute scientists, along with researchers from the United Nations University, have conducted a global study to chart how environmental change will affect vulnerable populations.
Alex de Sherbinin, one of the project's lead researchers, explained that the investigation was prompted by the realization that existing data about how many people could be uprooted by climate change had been "essentially grabbed from thin air." The most commonly cited factoid, which pops up even in authoritative sources like the British government's Stern Review on climate change, predicts 200 million "environmental refugees" by 2050—1 in every 34 people on Earth. But even the scholar who produced that number—Norman Myers, an Oxford ecologist—concedes that it required some "heroic extrapolations." None of the existing figures uses a vetted scientific methodology, and most rely instead on crude estimations, like choosing the most sensitive regions and assuming that every single inhabitant will have to leave.
De Sherbinin's project takes a more fine-grained approach. "We found that livelihood would be the main factor in how people decide to stay or go," he explained. The aim is to connect hard scientific data about glacier melt, precipitation, drought, and sea rise with knowledge of how people interact with their environment, obtained through extensive field interviews. The fieldwork is used to figure out whether there are ways to help, say, a farmer remain on his land as rainfall declines, or whether he will need to relocate to survive.
De Sherbinin gave me a quick tour of the world's prospective disaster zones by way of his laptop. He brought up a map of Tuvalu's main island of Funafuti, rendered in such detail that you could see which houses will be submerged if the sea rises by three feet. Then, the Ganges delta region of Bangladesh and India, home to 144 million people. Variegated red patches indicated population density—overlapping some of the deepest red spots were blue blotches marking the places most likely to be lost to flooding. Next: Vietnam, which de Sherbinin says is likely to lose more agricultural land (especially in the Mekong delta) to sea-level rise than any other country. Blue streaks—signifying a 6.6-foot rise—on the high end of what scientists think is possible—erased land inhabited by 14 million people. Finally, a map of the Sahel region of West Africa, where nearly half the population survives on subsistence farming, and where rainfall is projected to decline severely. Overall, the number of Africans facing water shortages is expected to double by 2050.
"For a lot of these places, prospects don't look too good—I don't want to suggest easy solutions," de Sherbinin said. But some people, he argued, have options. In Africa, he pointed out, while desertification is a grave problem, much of the continent lacks water capture and storage systems. "There's a potential to do much more. If these countries had the wherewithal—most of them don't—they could develop in irrigation."
I heard a similar argument from Paul Kench, a geomorphologist at the University of Auckland and an expert on atoll islands. Kench looked like someone who spends a lot of time on beaches—shorts, sandals, sandy hair, golden tan. He argued that many climate scientists draw overly broad conclusions from abstract data about sea-level rise without observing the precise ways that oceanic change affects particular places. Like many New Zealanders, he has a relentlessly practical streak, and he insisted that many residents of Tuvalu and other imperiled countries could actually stay put, if only people would pay proper attention to the science.
Using data from Tuvalu, the Maldives, and Kiribati, Kench and his coauthor, Peter Cowell, are creating computer models visualizing what will happen as the sea rises. "What we've been unable to do is totally destroy an island," he said. Instead, he explained, as waves wash over these narrow slivers of land, they reshape their contours. On some islands, rising seas lifted sand from the beach and deposited it farther inland, steepening the island's plane and raising its highest point. In Tuvalu, storms shaved rubble off the reefs and welded it to nearby islands, building new outer layers "like onion skins." On other islands, seasonal tides shuffled sand from one side to another, so that in January the eastern part of the island might grow, only to recede in July as the western side extended.
Kench argued that in many Pacific atoll nations, people are clustered densely in the islands' most fragile places (in turn creating man-made environmental strains that amplify the effects of climate change). "With some careful planning, you could identify safe places to live. You could identify islands more sensitive to change than others, ones that can take more people than others. There's lots of quite sensible things we could do." The Maldives has invited Kench to research such possibilities. (Keeping its options open, the government is also considering buying land in Australia.) Right now, Kench said, in most low-lying island nations there's almost "no information to base decisions on"—even on basic questions like the relationship of valuable resources to the waterline. "That reads like stamp collecting—cataloging environmental resources and processes. But it gives you great power to make sensible decisions."
Kench's vision was appealing—the idea of a people joining hands with science and orienting their lives even more intimately around the rhythms of their environment. But it was hard to envision anyone enacting the kind of exquisitely calibrated resettlement plan that he had in mind—either local governments, starved for cash and expertise, or institutions like the World Bank, which tends to react to environmental fragility by pouring concrete. And redistributing Tuvalu's population more wisely couldn't safeguard against the projected increase of ferocious storms, the erosion of coral, or salinization of the islands' scarce arable soil.
Yet because a certain amount of environmental change is locked in no matter what negotiators at Copenhagen decide, Kench's type of thinking is sorely needed. Thomas Fingar, the former chairman of the National Intelligence Council, conducted an assessment of the national security implications of climate change in 2008. "The international system needs to think about this, whether it's prepositioning water, tents, and so on, developing assistance programs," Fingar told me. Instead, he noted drily, when he delivered his analysis to the House committees on intelligence and global warming, it got "overshadowed by a debate over whether this topic was incredibly important or incredibly stupid." He added, "Shouldn't we start thinking about coping strategies? Stop ringing the damn alarm bell and go buy some buckets." The Obama administration is turning to these questions, but it's playing catch-up for years of lost time.
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sinking feelings
adios tuvalu, come and live here in Baja, Mexico
WELL based on this
WELL based on this convincing propaganda uhhh, i mean article - I should give up some of my wealth for redistribution...After all we are all going to die from Global warming errr.. Climate change i mean.
Exactly the response we
Exactly the response we would expect from the the douchebag class ...
Yes, because holding on to
Yes, because holding on to the worthless crap you buy at WalMart is so much more sensible than changing your behavior to save someone's country.
Idiot
People like you are the problem here. Not only do you not understand the problem, you don't understand the proposed solutions. Do us all a favor, and keep your ignorant mouth shut when it comes to topics you're clueless about.
Actually, I would contend
Actually, I would contend that it is you who is ignorant. How about you go take a good hard look at the actual sea level data from Tuvalu, Kiribati etc. You'll find not much to worry about. Plus there's the inconvenient fact that these islands sit on coral attols that grow upwards in concert with sea level rises.
Data?
I'm not necessarily saying I doubt you, but I'd love to see where you got the information. Any chance you can post a link?
Just Google it man...
Falling Sea Level Upsets Theory of Global Warming
By Mark Chipperfield in Tuvalu and David Harrison in London
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/sea_level.html
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THE TRUTH ABOUT TUVALU
A New Zealand climate scientist and a Pacific Island writer give assurances Tuvalu is not sinking .
Dr Vincent Gray: NZ CLIMATE & ENVIRO TRUTH NO 103
JUNE 15TH 2006
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14...
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Not to mention...global warming? Uhhh, hello Mr. Gore, the temperature has actually FALLEN. And now you know how to just search for that data without asking to be spoon-fed.
Very important article,
Very important article, Rachel. Thank you and I hope it will be published widely and not only here where only very few people can read it.
Sinking? Yes. CO2? No
The problems in Tuvalu are caused by humans ... but not by CO2. They are caused by destruction of the reef and the fish, and by too many humans in too small a place. If you'd like to really understand what's happening there, see my article at
http://homepage.mac.com/williseschenbach/.Public/Sinking_In_Tuvalu.doc
Thanks to all,
w.
I found your article very
I found your article very interesting and well written. it's important to consider systems as a whole rather than separate incidents, and not to use facts to bolster ones preconceived conclusion.
waters
so wheres the pictures of this island under water. did the other just google search some pictures to display for this article.
Misun-informed bunch
I know that region, and that is not the only reason the islands in that region will sink.
That region is just in front of the tectonic plate that is going under and into the Pacific trench. You see some islands will sink as the continental plates collide. To me there is no mystery as to how some islands are born and swept under the sea. Those islands are sinking because of tectonic continental drift. Don't give me that malarkie. about ocean sea rise. Ask any geologist worth his salt.
go to school
plate tectonic may contribute about 1/8" to 1" HORIZONTAL movement until right at the boundary. I am a geogist. Rising sea levels have little to do with plate tectonics in the human history timeframe....unless you can live for millions of years.
Sinking ?
Leave it to wingnutz to come up with an alternate view of Reality....
It can't be the sea-level rising --noooooooooo - it has to be the "Islands are sinking".
That fits into thier narrow narrative... that they must BELIEVE IN.
I've never heard of over-fishing or reef destruction causing a land mass to Sink.
Wingnuts? I know that you
Wingnuts? I know that you guys think that the most complex answer is the correct one, but often it is the simplest one that is right. Also, the earth may be warming...but that is not unusual nor is it caused by us. The earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling. Just the way it works.
Drowning & Drying Lands
Tuvalu is only one of thousands of territories in the world threatened either by drowning or drying out. Peoples in Chad and the Sudan suffer from water shortages and desertification. Their territories will become unlivable. The Athabaskans of Canada's Northwest Territories have seen in the last twenty years rapid climate related changes in the tundra causing the caribou to move from their territories and moose to move in. The Hoh people on the northwest Pacific Coast of the United States are moving their village from low ground to higher ground due to more frequent floods. The Quinault people living to the Hoh's south experience the drying up of a glacier that feeds normally fresh and cold streams in just a few years.
Changing environmental conditions have clearly accelerated and not only will remote peoples with strange sounding names become inundated, but the cities where 80 percent of the world's population clusters will soon see the changes. Now, we must all get into the adaptation mode now that the industrial states have triggered a global catastrophe.
Moose move north?
Why are we getting moose, elk and bear in South Dakota? We are much further south than they normally range.
Ridiculous. Please see above
Ridiculous. Please see above where I reference scientific data that shows that this island is NOT sinking.
Seriously guys, how many times will you be lied to and accepting before you decide to not just respond emotionally to every claim some media outlet spews? If you're so interested in global warming--no wait, CLIMATE CHANGE, yeah that's it, the globe is cooling, now there's an "inconvienient truth"--why not look at the scientific data?
Current sea level rise has
Current sea level rise has occurred at a mean rate of 1.8 mm per year for the past century,and more recently at rates estimated near 2.8 ± 0.4 to 3.1 ± 0.7 mm per year (1993-2003).
Apples and oranges, I'm
Apples and oranges, I'm afraid. Tide gauge data for the past century up to the present data gives the 1.8 mm/yr you speak of (Jevrejeva et al., 2008), with the rate of increase slowing over recent years. JASON-1 Satellite data (in use for the past 20-30 years) gives a different result- the estimated 3.1 mm/yr rise you also quote- but these values have also been relatively stable since records began (or even slowing slightly). You can't just splice the satellite record onto the tide gauge record and claim an increase.
Anthropomorphic Global Warming is a hoax.
The IPCC provided the data the entire article is based upon....and unless you've been living under a rock.....you know that the CRU e-mail scandal is rocking the scientific world globally as the wizzards of smart leap over each other trying to cover their own asses...
Mann throws Jones under bus, confirms Jones requested E-mail deletion to avoid FIOA requests:
http://www.mcall.com/news/all-a1_5mann.7099473nov26,0,7714606.story?trac...
Quote:
In the May 29, 2008, e-mail, titled ''IPCC and FOI,'' Jones asked Mann to ''delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4.'' AR4, published in 2007, is the fourth Assessment Report of the International Panel on Climate Change.
Mann said he did write several e-mails on AR4. ''I would have exchanged e-mails on that report with any number of scientists who were authors on that report,'' he said. He said he deleted none and can't be blamed for Jones' request.
''You can't hold anybody responsible for something somebody asked them to do that he didn't do,'' Mann said.
The professor also defended his e-mail of March 11, 2004, in which he suggested his fellow scientists shun the Climate Research journal after it published the work of global warming skeptics.
''I think we have to stop considering 'Climate Research' as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal,'' Mann's e-mail says. ''Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal.''
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IPCC Researcher calls for Mann,jones,rahmstorf to be canned from IPCC:
http://coast.gkss.de/staff/zorita/myview.html
Why I think that Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Stefan Rahmstorf should be barred from the IPCC process
Eduardo Zorita, November 2009
Short answer: because the scientific assessments in which they may take part are not credible anymore.
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No worries though...I'm sure you will cling to flat earth theory for years to come....
While Al Gore has become the Titus Oates of Anthropomorphic Global Warming...the band plays on..
Sound Science doesnt hide it's math,impune others,lie,destroy data, avoid FIOA requests, or chuckle when a counter researcher dies....
AGW is a fact...and they went about proving it by outright fraud if neccessary...
They allready knew the desired outcome....they just had to make the data fit the desired parameters...
Easy peasy for wizzards of smart who control the process of peer review...
AGW and the attempted shakedown of billions of dollars behind it ,will go down in history as one of the greatest scams known to mankind.
...right
Wow. So first-worlders are this stupid as everyone say. You should are in touch with the scientific world, aren't you. As you know how scientific method is all about... screaming "hoax".
You, wake from your bubble you idiot. Here in what you call the third world? We can't afford such a thing.
Thanks for pointing this out.
Thanks for pointing this out. In case some "denying anthropomorphic climate change" deniers haven't heard yet, here is the crux of the situation.
After reading this heart
After reading this heart tugging article I have vowed never ever again to urinate in the ocean. You have no idea how liberating that commitment has made me feel. One small step to saving these drowing people.
What do you do?
Well, for starters, you don't blame it on atmospheric carbon dioxide. And you start looking for practical answers and help. How's that?
The sea is rising and the ice is melting, but not for the reasons Al Gore gave us. Vastly increased undersea volcanic activity on the Pacific Ridge is one culprit. Lack of high latitude snowfall is another. Changes in the amount of cosmic rays emitted by the sun is another. The climate IS changing and we have to deal with that, but the causes are NOT linked to human activity. We've been spoofed (again) with a plausible but incorrect scientific theory that happened to have political utility.
End of AGW. Now that we have that cleared up, let's look at the real problem and what we can do about it.
How about Natual Global
How about Natual Global Warming (NGW); a much more plausible phenomenon and actually backed up by science rather than hysteria.
"you know that the CRU
"you know that the CRU e-mail scandal is rocking the scientific world globally"
false, stealing some 10 years old mails and trying to manipulate them is a scandal, there's no scandal nor conspiration in the scientific world, people pushing the "scandal" forget that even Lomborg now accept the theory and, being founded by well known interests, suggests to spend in order to repair consequences rather than in trying to reverse the trend
Great Opportunity
Anyone in Tuvalia interested in a house boat? Theirs a bunch in New Orleans!
Nature
All of what many assume against man-made global warming theories, is steeped heavily in theological conditioning that blinds humans to recognizing they are a part of nature. They replace their responsibility with gods and prophets with faces like theirs, and these gods in turn take the blame by sacrifice or because that god wills it.
So walk carefully before calling anyone stupid who may just merely be blinded by the awesome light of ignorance. It is hard to overcome the fact that your god has let you down, and has been brought to it's knees asking you to do something.
So to them it is ludicrous to suggest personal responsibility for what they see as separate. Yet, in fact it is in conjunction that all (everything) are responsible for climate change. But, it seems only the humans may be capable of actually recognizing it, evaluating it, and DOING something about it.
When Country Drowns?
This is so freakin' sad. A whole people moved to a different time/place because no one is willing to do anything about climate change.
And this is only the beginning.....
My Confession
I have something I want to get off my chest. In 1999, I attended an international symposium the main focus of which was climate change (my field is Paleoclimatology).
In one discussion group attended by many of the world’s most prominent climatologists, an internationally respected scientist (I will not reveal his name here for reasons that will soon become clear) suddenly made a very strange proposal. I’m paraphrasing, but this is the gist of what he said: “Let’s tell them that the world is getting warmer.” We were puzzled as to what he could possibly mean, so he explained further, “Let’s tell the citizens of the world that the earth is getting warmer due to human activity, and that this warming will have catastrophic results on the planet.” Stunned, I could do nothing more than ask incredulously, “Why would we want to perpetrate such an elaborate hoax on the public, what would we get out of it?” He said nothing, replying by rubbing his thumb and middle finger together. I thought to myself, “Of course! Just think of how much money we could make by lying to the public about this.”
So, that is how the myth of anthropogenic climate change was born. I shouldn’t complain—this scam has made me a billionaire many times over—but as I sit here on my yacht and contemplate what I, the rest of the international scientific community, and Al Gore have done, I can’t help but feel guilty. I’m starting to think that we are perhaps the greatest criminals the world has ever known. In the future, people will utter the name, “Al Gore” with the same venom that they reserve for Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot. How could we have sole our integrity for mere money!
You are pathetic. Of all the
You are pathetic. Of all the things to be outraged about (and to concoct obviously fake stories about??), you choose global warming? really? There are *real* corporate scandals, or even tragedies (uganda, darfur) involving REAL PEOPLE dying that you could get upset about. Or this. You know, the fake conspiracy that scientists (people who do not go into their work for the love of money, I assure you) would just massively falsify data so they could make money. And 'billions and billions', really? Where's the Bill Gates of climate change then? I don't mean Al Gore - he's not a scientist. Unless you want to change your story to a certain nameless politician rubbing his fingers.
The funny thing about GW deniers is that they have a problem with guilt. They're used to pushing it on others - those "lazy" immigrants or promiscuous women who "had it coming", or the gays for supposed immorality. Having a group of people (including gays, women, and minorities) suggest that THEY might need to change their behaviour makes them queasy - they're never guilty of anything! How dare we suggest they are guilty! Truthfully, embracing conservation (reduce, reuse, recycle and all that) does not require feeling guilty about the environment. It should be, ideally, a question of logic.
You are pathetic. Of all the
You are pathetic. Of all the things to be outraged about (and to concoct obviously fake stories about??), you choose global warming? really? There are *real* corporate scandals, or even tragedies (uganda, darfur) involving REAL PEOPLE dying that you could get upset about. Or this. You know, the fake conspiracy that scientists (people who do not go into their work for the love of money, I assure you) would just massively falsify data so they could make money. And 'billions and billions', really? Where's the Bill Gates of climate change then? I don't mean Al Gore - he's not a scientist. Unless you want to change your story to a certain nameless politician rubbing his fingers.
The funny thing about GW deniers is that they have a problem with guilt. They're used to pushing it on others - those "lazy" immigrants or promiscuous women who "had it coming", or the gays for supposed immorality. Having a group of people (including gays, women, and minorities) suggest that THEY might need to change their behaviour makes them queasy - they're never guilty of anything! How dare we suggest they are guilty! Truthfully, embracing conservation (reduce, reuse, recycle and all that) does not require feeling guilty about the environment. It should be, ideally, a question of logic.
Re: What Happens When Your Country Drowns?
This is a sobering picture of what's in store for us and it underscores the urgency of the climate change problem. I live in the Philippines, and Manila, along with Dhaka in Bangladesh and Jakarta in Indonesia, will be among the first capital cities that will be greatly affected by rising sea levels. As an island country, many of our coastal communities will also be inundated. The recent flooding in Manila which took hundreds of lives, said to be the worst in 40, is only a foreshadowing of the catastrophic consequence of our inaction today.
It is unfortunate that many non-scientific and ignorant voices are joining in a cacophony of mindless denial of what's obvious. People like us in the Third World, especially in the low-lying island countries, don't have such luxury to indulge in the spin games played by the oil and coal interests, and their army of lobbyists and pr firms selling disinformation to a gullible public.
That's it in a nutshell
Manny,
I think you've summed up the situation very nicely. The most incredible thing to me is that there are quite a large number of people who believe that global warming is a hoax or a scam when, if you follow the money, it's obviously the coal and oil industries who have the biggest financial interest in what the public believes about this issue.
Global warming deniers have been particularly effective in the U.S. One reason for this is that the American news media often take a misguidedly "unbiased" approach to controversies by striving to give equal time and exposure to opinions on both sides of the issue. This is misguided because it gives the same amount of legitimacy to both sides even where that kind of evenhandedness is unwarranted--one side may have a much worse case to argue, or may be acting out of self interest.
When it comes to the global warming debate, many Americans believe that scientific opinion is much more divided on the issue than it in fact is because the deniers are given equal air time even though they are a tiny minority of the scientific community--or not scientists at all.
You expect us to believe that
You expect us to believe that you're some poor schmuck stuck in a third-world country? Your effective use of grammar and wide vocabulary tend to deny that. And then you talk about disinfo shills. You sure seem to know a lot about that...
I think we're all missing a
I think we're all missing a key point mentioned in this article. Whether climate change is real or not and if it causes sea levels to rise or not is to an extent, irrelevant. These islanders are worried and in danger from a natural catastrophe waiting to happen (hurricane, flood, tsunami, earthquake, etc). Like it said in the article, the Refugee law needs to be changed so we can prepare and act not after the fact.
Two people drowned here!
Two people drowned here! Their families are grieving. Where is the love for our common man? I am certain that our country is going down the tubes because of the mentality of people like this. I am so sick of the "me before the" mentality and the complete lack of compassion for others. God bless these two men that drowned and their families. They truely are in a better place than we are.
And what do Oceanographers Say on this?
Let’s just look at some useful facts from oceanographers about sea level rises before thoroughly condemning this green propagandist pap.
The University of Colorado produced the Jason-1 Calibration and TOPEX Calibration and that does accord well with other researchers in this area such as Antonov et al. (2005); Ishii et al. (2005) and Willis et al. (2005. They all report rises of a mere 0.4mm to 1.8mm a years – making an average of just 1.1mm per annum (or 7 inches per century). Now this is way, way less than what the IPCC and Mr Gore want us to believe.
From my own prior reading I also see in the UK the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory in 2007 produced a history of global sea levels rise from 1904 to 2003 based upon a set of reliable, long-term observations from 9 tide gauge stations scattered around the world. They found that sea level rises are of the order of 1.74 ± 0.16mm/yr (about 0.07 in/yr, also 7 inches per century). All these sets of data accord well with the ice melt we’d expect to see naturally as averaged over the past 11, 000 years since the last ice age.
Thus, sea levels are refusing to play the man made global warming propaganda game because there can't be any 'catastrophic' global warming without a clear signal in the ocean's tidal gauges. I feel sorry for those in poverty but ignorant journalists who exploit the disadvantaged for political capital should be ashamed.
Dear John
Spot-on, @John O'Sullivan! Thanks for bringing the voice of reason into the debate by mentioning studies of respectable scientists.
Are you a scientist? I can see that you're a crime writer - great people, crime writers - always portraying the truth as it is without the disgusting sensationalistic cheap fluff, never CHERRYPICKING people's statements and reports to support a pre-drawn conclusion. Always having an OPEN MIND, that's why I admire you people.
Since you mentioned those scientists, I must assume you're QUALIFIED to assess and draw conclusions based on the substance and CONTEXT of their studies. God knows I ain't no scientist, so I leave it to you intelligent people to carefully study everything and let the facts speak for themselves.
I thank the good Lord every day John, for people like you who are brave enough to take on those scientists and their mumbo-jumbo and say out loud to the world what they think is the truth. Yes, the TRUTH will set us all free, as The Good Book says.
By the way, you might want to take on these people from a place called Yale Environment 360 who says sea levels will rise 4.5 feet by 2100. Now, that is just alarmist pap (if I may borrow that word from you, quite handy), there's no truth to that, right?
Apparently, they're summarizing a report by scientists from some outfit called Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research (SCAR) titled "Antarctic Climate Change and the Environment. That's a 555 page latest and most comprehensive report on the issue.
555 pages! Jeez, I don't have the time to go through that and besides, I'm not sure I can understand what's in there. That's why I'm thankful that you and people like you are there, John. Go and read the report, and tell us what's that "propagandist pap" (beautiful words, John) is all about, the truth like it should be told.
God bless you, son! We're strengthened in DENYING THE SCIENCE behind climate change because of brave people like you.
re open minds
i cannot really say whether the changes occurring in our environment are are triggered or "made" by man. or not. i have been listening to this debate for years now and still do not know. but then i have a fairly low tolerance for evangelism of any stripe...
i only believe in two related ideas. first is that it is fairly clear that we should do whatever we can to make our environment favorable and sustainable for the beneficial survival and comfort of our species. and second is that our species is quite adept at generating fear on one side and denial on the other...
in the final analysis for me, there might be a degree of truth on all sides. the fear and the denial and the reliance on faith in this matter only serve to delay our better understanding of the reality we must face, whatever that may be. i am inclined to believe that a truly open mind listens to all sides and continues to listen...
ultimately, when the truth reveals itself, and when the fear and the denial can no longer be sustained, i trust that most of us will react with a full devotion to our self-interests. not that the cosmos (or, if you will, god) cares but if that tiny moment in our puny existential time line is too late for us to act...? then that will be too late...
there are no guarantees that our species will continue to exist past dinner time...
Re: Conservative Grandpa
@kurk mulligan, I completely agree with you - "we should do whatever we can to make our environment favorable and sustainable for the beneficial survival and comfort of our species."
I don't think the gentleman who made the comment before you, however, was evangelizing or that he's even conservative. I think that's an excellent piece of satire - pretending to agree but actually eviscerating the arguments of the denier (that crime writer) by exposing his lack of expertise or qualifications to make any sound judgement on the statements and studies of respected climate scientists. I followed the link to the SCAR report and that is in fact, the "latest and most comprehensive" paper on the issue to date, I don't think any denier would even take a look, much less link to that paper.
In the meantime, while deniers and those who pay them or fool them continue to muddle the issue, the clock is ticking. Let's just hope something concrete comes out of Copenhagen.
two points
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Of all the evidence available to foil deniers, there are two points that stand out for me.
The first is simply a lack of credible scientific opponents. I am not myself a climate researchers, so I really don't know all the cutting edge science. I can only trust those who do. I think wikipedia says it well: " The finding that the climate has warmed in recent decades and that this warming is likely attributable to human influence has been endorsed by every national science academy that has issued a statement on climate change, including the science academies of all of the major industrialized countries. At present, no scientific body of national or international standing has issued a dissenting statement. A small minority of professional associations have issued noncommittal statements. " You can find a fairly comprehensive list of such statements here. To recap, every scientific association who has bothered to comment accepts AGW. Every one! There are zero that don't. You can argue that there is a scientist here or there with a contrary opinion, but the consensus seems pretty robust to me.
The second point is less documentable and more intuitive. If we work this controversy like a detective, one of the first things we should look for is motive. What is the motive of AGW proponents? I suppose some of the scientists could get more grants. But ultimately, scientists want to publish things; what would be a bigger breakthrough right now than real evidence against AGW? That would be a tenure and career making discovery. Conspirators won't publish them? I beg to differ. There are plenty of journals, and one of them will publish you if your methods are sound and your findings important. A conspiracy of this magnitude would require unbelievable coordination and a big pile of money. I just don't see all that much money in it for anybody who could perpetrate something so massive. On the other hand, big energy has an enormous interest in denying AGW, a strong organizational structure, and a whole lot of cash. If you take a clear look at the situation from that perspective, how can you seriously see AGW proponents as the primary suspects? I simply can't fathom a world in which scientists are more politically savvy and less ethical than oil executives.
I suggest you need to widen
I suggest you need to widen your research and not rely on Wikipedia.
The motive for these people is less clear. If its the government we are talking about then it is an excuse to tax us more. The activists themselves are more than likely those same people who campaigned against global cooling back in the day.
Confortably ignorant
We humans are on the pathetic situation of someone who urinates every day in a pool (non-filtered or changing the water) and is convinced that the water will never turn yellow...yeah right, if it happens, blame cosmic rays, cow farts or Oprah's retirement....
research
Good point Crimson Avenger. Maybe I should cite a bunch of books and journal articles that nobody would read. Wikipedia is publically available, convenient, and (in my experience) almost always accurate. If you think the information provided by wikipedia is innacurate, go ahead and correct it (or at least add an informative footnote to your snarky comment). Which legitimate scientific/professional organization(s) do you claim publically denies AGW?
This is precisely the contribution of deniers: distract and nay-say until we're too confused or fed up to argue any more. It is not enough to point out potential gaps in our knowledge. There are always gaps. You need to engage the substance of the argument and/or present relevant evidence. I won't hold my breath.
hai gaise
Hey guys people on the internet knows more about climate change than me so I come here to discuss it with them, how convenient. Do you people seriously have nothing better to do?
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