Obama's Copenhagen Deal
The final deal at the Copenhagen climate summit, which was convened to develop a comprehensive international response to the threat of global warming, came down to a behind-closed-doors conversation among some of the most powerful people in the world about the difference between two terms: "examination and assessment" and "international consultations and analysis."
Then again, there may not have been a final deal. Late on Friday night, President Barack Obama announced that an agreement had been reached, establishing a minimalist accord that would not set a firm schedule with hard-and-fast targets for reducing emissions. But after Obama held a press conference to declare semi-victory—"this is going to be a first step"—and jetted back to Washington, European officials said nothing was in the bag. And Lumumba Stanislaus Di-Aping, the Sudanese chairman of the G77 bloc of least developed nations, claimed there was no deal. "What has happened today confirms what we have been suspicious of that a deal will be imposed by United States, with the help of the Danish government, on all nations of the world," he said.
This raised the question, was the Obama deal merely a side deal that would be agreed to by some nations but not all? A convenient bypass of international climate negotiations?
In that short press conference, Obama noted that the pact had come together during an evening meeting he held with the leaders of major developing nations—China, Brazil, South Africa, and India. "Each agreed," he said, "to list national actions and commitments with international consultation and analysis under clearly defined guidelines" and aim to limit the global temperature rise to 2 degrees Celsius. But it wasn't that simple—or clear—according to a participant in that decisive gathering, Brazil Ambassador Sergio Serra.
The meeting, which lasted more than three hours, was hosted by Premier Wen Jiabao, and first began with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, and South African President Jacob Zuma attending. About an hour into it, Obama arrived, with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The participants did not deal with numbers or targets for emissions. Instead, the conversation turned to the knotty matter of verification. Throughout the summit, the United States, Europe, and Japan had been pressing China, which has vowed to reduce the pace of its growing emissions, to accept outside monitoring of its performance. China has resisted, claiming it could audit itself. This remained "the most contentious thing," Serra said. "The Chinese were very reluctant to accept any kind of international supervision or international analysis of the performance of their actions."
As the discussion continued, Obama dropped a term on the table: "examination and assessment." This suggested direct monitoring of Chinese emission curbs by outsiders. Chinese officials in the room pronounced it unacceptable."We weren't that happy with it, either," Serra noted. So a new description—"international consultations and analysis"—was worked out. A "consultation" is obviously less intrusive than an "examination." But what does "international consultations and analysis"—soon to be referred to as ICA—mean? Asked this, Serra shrugged and said, "Ehhhh." He added, "The definition will be negotiated by a panel of people. They will decide what it means, like everything else." Obama promised to sell this not-well-defined ICA phrase to the Europeans. He also told Wen and the others that he had been asked by the Europeans to push for the below-2 degrees level.
The resolution of that six-word dispute eased the US-China deadlock that had paralyzed the summit, creating space for an agreement that may not be an agreement—christened the "Copenhagen Accord."
Whether or not that title was presumptive, the draft document released is vague. It contains few specific numbers—beyond "recognizing the scientific view" that a global temperature rise should be "below 2 degrees." It dropped language from an earlier draft calling for cutting global emissions in half by 2050. The agreement urges developed nations to implement reductions they have already pledged—without spelling out those numbers or establish baseline years. Developing nations would establish their own emissions curbs. (All these countries are supposed to declare their reductions targets by February.) The China-friendly verification provision rests on that vague "international consultations and analysis clause." The agreement also incorporates the US-European offer to help mobilize $100 billion a year until 2020 to help poorer nations contend with climate change, and commits $30 billion for short-term funding for related programs, such as deforestation prevention—without providing details about these financial programs. Most important, the draft says nothing about future negotiations and any pathway toward a legally binding treaty incorporating global cuts.
"The result is not what we expected," said Serra. "It may still be a way of salvaging something and paving way to another meeting or series of meetings next year."
Announcing this agreement, Obama himself acknowledged a weakness with the proposal: "With respect to the emissions targets that are going to be set, we know that they will not be by themselves sufficient to get to where we need to get by 2050....There are going to be those who are going to—who are going to look at the national commitments, tally them up and say, you know, the science dictates that even more needs to be done." But he contended that this agreement—by encouraging all the major economies (developed and developing) to commit jointly to emissions curbs—marked a "shift in orientation" and insisted that he remained committed to seeking a binding treaty.
US environmentalists split over whether Obama's move was a triumphant save or an act of self-interest. Environmental Defense Fund head Fred Krupp and League of Conservation Voters president Gene Karpinski high-fived each other in a Bella Center hallway. "Obama has delivered the clear breakthrough we needed on climate change," exclaimed Jeremy Symons, a senior vice president of National Wildlife Federation. By rounding up China and India, Obama has improved the prospects for the climate change legislation pending in the Senate—where foes of the bill have used these nations' absence from previous accords as a justification for opposition. And until a bill passes, Obama can't make good on his modest proposed reductions.
But not all the American environmentalists were celebrating. "This is not a strong deal or a just one—it isn't even a real one," said Erich Pica, president of Friends of the Earth US. "The actions it suggests for the rich countries that caused the climate crisis are extraordinarily inadequate. This is a disastrous outcome for people around the world who face increasingly dire impacts from a destabilizing climate."
The Obama agreement was a sly maneuver. The United States sidestepped the official proceedings and found a way to separate major developing nations from poorer ones—while skating past European desires for a more comprehensive and binding agreement. Though European negotiators first declared they were not on board, as the final evening of the summit entered the wee hours, Europe conceded. At a 2:00 a.m. press conference, dour-looking European leaders announced their unhappy support. "This accord is better than no accord, but clearly below our ambition," said European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso. "We have to be honest."
Even one of the diplomats who helped broker the deal was not entirely pleased. Asked if this deal made Copenhagen a success, Serra replied, "There is the perspective that with this agreement we may reach a satisfactory and equitable result next year." Then he paused: "The disappointment is still there."
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Just address the two glaring
Just address the two glaring defects in climate research for us
call for an investigation by a blue ribbon panel into climategate emails and Al Gore's lying about scientists claims from the copppenhagen popdium.
just fess up the failures and allow the blue ribbon panel to investigate other data and sources
Barring that we look like climate crazies and so does our Obama
That's what we'd do if we were free
Bunch of Baloney, Sacked Up For You....
Obama didn't do diddly, but that's okay. Why should anyone do anything in response to a non-existent "problem"? Global Warming is a hoax. Just like Global Cooling was a hoax back in the 1970's. All Obama did was try to keep it alive in hopes that another few years of effort on the part of idiot ideologues will convince us that red is green and let's slit our own throats for no good reason.
I do not wish you good luck and intend to whump this weasel until it is well done and dead. Any thinking person should by this time in the game know such obvious facts as:
1. Global temperatures have been falling for over a decade.
2. Glaciers are declining for lack of snow fall, not because they are melting.
3. Warming in the Western Arctic is offset by cooling in the Eastern Arctic.
4. There were 5,000 polar bears in 1965; there are now more than 25,000.
5. Atmospheric carbon dioxide doesn't dissolve in seawater and cannot account for ocean acidification.
6. Only 14% of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere comes from human sources and carbon dioxide itself accounts for only 0.04 of one percent of the atmosphere-----so 14% of almost nothing is still nearly nothing.
These are such obvious, verifiable facts, nobody should be clinging to "global warming" as a new religion. You would be better off donning white robes, moving to Korea, and waiting for The Rapture.
Simple answer to your point
Simple answer to your point n°6, which i find the most relevant:
a rapid increase of carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere, such as the one we face today, does change the heat balance of the earth. Measurments have been done on the optical properties of gases, and multiple simulations based on measurements have been carried out to demonstrate the effect of carbon dioxide on the heat balance of the earth. You just cannot counterdict the conclusions thousands of scientists, who have studied the phenomenon for years, simply by throwing out an "obvious fact" without analysing it further.
The truth is not always like it looks to be.
A revealing moment
Obama's escalating the war in Afghanistan earlier in the month coupled with the bank bailouts dwarf any even genuine commitment he could have made towards climate change. It seems the US can always dig up money for bloated military contracts, but only crumbs to actively help people. In this regard, the country has reached the spiritual doom that King foretold.
And this doom is nowhere more apparent amongst the denialists. I'd love to see whether this self-serving crowd also oppose the grotesque increases in military spending. I imagine not, as the denialism seems to be largely based on a resentment, selfishness, and even active indifference towards the lot of the world's poor and nature as a whole. God forbid we should think about and take responsibility for our actions or our choices! This malevolent "I've got mine, to hell with you" attitude of admitting no checks on pollution and consumption reveals a great and growing evil at the heart of the nation.
In that way, Obama is not entirely to blame. The country is reeling underneath the twin threats of economic meltdown brought about from years of bubble economics, and a debased news media and education system that elevates the basest, most ignoble attitudes amongst the public, while slamming down anyone who actually has something intelligent to say.
yet hope remains and actions
yet hope remains and actions await. Courage is the key for those people, and someday it is rewarded by results
Verification
Without verification there is no way to tell if the Nations selling carbon credits have actually done anything to reduce emissions or absorb CO2.
It is a set up for a scam. On top of a scam.
And the scammers have been hard at work skimming billions in Europe. Already.
Without valid measurements suitably verified there is nothing. Say when is the CRU going to release its data and methods?
Climate Control Agreement Needed
Unfortunately, as part of the process of negotiating, you have to give up certain parts of your desired position. Hopefully they can reach an agreement that will be something people will follow long-term.
The explaination is simple
Climategate killed the AGW movement stone cold dead. Unless and until the whole science behind it is examined closely and proved to be legitimate the US Senate isn't going to ratify a damn thing.
Nobody spoke the "P" word in Copenhagen............
People are not speaking out loudly and clearly about the colossal threat that is posed to humanity by the skyrocketing growth of human population numbers on Earth.
Despite the unfortunate, inhumane ways a "ONE CHILD PER FAMILY" policy was implemented in China, the policy could be vital for the future of humankind and life as we know it in our planetary home. The immediate, free, universal and compassionate implementation of a voluntary "one child per family" policy could decisively limit adverse, human-driven impacts on Earth's body and its environs, and do so more powerfully than any other conceivable human intervention.
Given the already visible, converging global threats to human wellbeing and environmental health that are presented to the family of humanity in our time, the humane implementation of one child per family could be an indispensible centerpiece of a set of adequately designed, actionable programs that serve to actually rescue a good enough future for the children and coming generations.
If a root cause of the global threats on humanity's horizon now is the unbridled growth of absolute global human population numbers, our willful denial of this primary cause could make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for the children to reasonably address and sensibly overcome these threats. Then the children are likely being directed down a "primrose path" to confront some unimaginable kind of ecological wreckage, the likes of which only Ozymandias has seen. The children will not understand why the catastrophe is occurring. Because their elders refused to acknowledge the best available scientific evidence of human population dynamics and, therewith, adequately "diagnose" the distinctly human-induced global predicament all of us face now, the children will not know what hit them, why it is happening, and what is required of them so as not to commit the same mistakes made by the elders.
This is only a guess but please note the likelihood that history will not be kind to the woefully inadequate leaders in my not-so-great generation of arrogant, extremely foolish and avaricious elders.
Copenhagen
Several nations, many religions, were there ANY prayers made to whoever?
Change must come from the people, since the leaders fail to act
In Copenhagen, the 16. dec. 2009 in front of BellaCenter is a People's Assembly. Pictures and video from the tuchíng moment is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/45694700@N04/4194131312/
President Obama Could Be a Great President
President Obama could be a great president but I don't believe that will be the case. In his near first full year of office, he has done little but deliver excellent ' sounding' speeches,__ all mouth and no substance so far.
During his well executed __by his campaign committee,__ presidential campaign, he "promised" to create millions of good paying jobs and develop clean energy. __ Uh-huh,_ where's the beef? He is just playing politics as usual.
The president obviously is ignorant of the real issue of global warming and what very serious dangers GW is causing for all of humanity. Maybe he is listening to people such as the blogger here named ,_Avannavon_, a person who is either just ignorant of the truth, or is a paid GW denier. Paid GW deniers are the same as a Judas, a traitor to all of mankind. For the paid deniers are worse than any murdering type of human who ever set foot on Earth.
Global warmng is a fact, and the evidence of it is visually obvious for any to see for themselves. If any cannot get out an see it, they can read credible science magazines about the issue, or google subject matter such as, Antartica ice, _Greenland ice, _ glaciers, _Arctic methane_, and also see the daily images given by NASA's weather satellites.
Never in human history until now, has the Arctic's Northwest passage been open for shipping. Never in human history have the glaciers all over the globe been thawing as they currently are, some have disappeared entirely already. Because of that, many major world's rivers and lakes are drying up. Lake Chad for just one example has reduced in area by 90%, not long ago it was 35,000 square kilometers in size and it is now less than 1,500. That is a major disaster for over 30 million people who's livelehood's depend upon that water __ and GW has olny just begun.
From now on, every year will be worse and as runaway positive feedback occurs, primarily due to millions of tons of methane spewing out into the atmosphere from the Arctic's land and waters, global warmng will become totally out of control, what it will be like is nearly unimaginable and the paid deniers will finally shut their lying mouths.
Those who say we are and have been in a cooling phase are bona-fide liars. The paid GW deniers should do as Judas did and go hang themselves, or take some poison instead of spreading their lying, damaging verbal and written poison.
President Obama should have a conference with a few highly qualified scientists an dprofessors such as, DRs, Kathy Walter, Michael J. Benton, and highly trained and knowledgable geologists such as John Atcheson and get himself educated on the subjects of Global Warmng , Climate Change and especially on the subject of the Arctic methane threat. That is a deadly threat for all life on Earth.
The president should honor his promises to create millions of good paying jobs by initiating a_ massive _program, to develop clean energy power plants, thousands of them all across the country, using solar, wind, geo-thermal, wave and tidal power. All of those have been well proven to work, are cost effective, do not pollute and there is zero cost for fuel.
If he would do that, I for one would support him 110%. President Obama would become a great president and perhaps the other world's leaders would follow his lead.
Finally just some examples of truly clean energy: There is a solar powered electrical plant in Nevada on an 80 acre plot of near worthless land which produces enough electricity for several thousand homes __no pollution at all. There are a few geo-thermal power plants in America which have operated for many years and they do not pollute our atmosphere. We could build hundreds of them, whatever is required. Put the coal miners to work above ground.
Scientists at MIT conducted a stuydy several years ago and determined that there is enough geo-thermal energy in the U.S. lands, to provide all of the energy we could ever use for the next 50,000 years. One problem is, there is no fuel to sell, __ oil, coal, or uraniuml. And those owners of the fuel we burn, are actually the ones who are driving the bus we are all riding in. And our president is blindly riding along with us, making very good 'sounding' speeches.
A very famous scientist once said,__"If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy eons ago," ___ Boy, the truth indeed does hurt sometimes.
time to show our
time to show our dissatisfaction. i think this t-shirt gets it about right:
http://www.shirts-4-thought.com/Copenhagen-Climate-Summit/_s_329569
Is Global Warmng a Fact? __ It certainly is according to NOAA.
According to the NOAA, NASA scientists and our EPA, among other very highly qualified scientific teams and individuals whom have earned their doctorates in subjects such as:__ Climatology, _Earth Science, _Geology, Oceanographry,__ global warming is a bona-fide fact of life and it has been in a process of warming planet Earth for many years.
The information they publish is available for anyone to absorb by googling subjects such as for one, __global warming. In addition, google the NOAA, and papers published on the subject by hundreds of other highly regarded and credible scientists such as Kathy Walter, Michael J. Benton, John Atcheson, and others.
The idiotic global warming deniers have insured the GW issue is now so controversial, that many don't know who or what to believe about it all. Some of those deniers are paid shills of the fuel industries and if one doesn't check out their false comments, which often sound credible, one could become a un-paid global warming denier and repeat what the paid shills have offered as factual proof that GW is a myth.
Here is an oft repeated comment mouthed off or written on sites such as this one. __"The Earth has been in a cooling phase since 1988 and we about to enter another ice age."
That is absolutely false information . ___ The proven scientific data supplied by the NOAA and NASA for just two examples states this:__ The eight warmest years on record since 1850 have occurred since 1988, the warmest year being 2005. We do not have the data as yet for 2009.
There is a blogger here at Mother Jones named __Avannavon__ who continually posts coments that the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere is almost zero and is of no concern. Souns good too, except that is false .
Thousands of excellent scientists say otherwise.
It does not require a great deal of CO2, a known greenhouse gas to cause the average temperature of Earth to rise and temps do not have to rise a great deal for excess methane to then be released into the atmosphere and positive feedback begins.
Greeenhouse gases such as CO2 and methane cause a blanket effect in our high atmosphere and that prevents heat from escaping out into space. It is like the roof vents on a garden greenhouse, if they are not allowed to open or open enough when it is necessary, the heat in the greenhouse will eventually soar and the plants will suffer or die.
We need some CO2 in our atmophere, but not an excessive amount. Bill McKibbon states, __350ppm __ is the top limit and we are now going above 360ppm. Vast amounts of methane gas is now escaping from the Arctic's waters and land areas, millions of tons of that poisonous gas, which is 20 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2 is.
As that methane escapes it will cause a positive runaway feedback to global warming. As temps increase more methane releases, that causes hotter temps and more methane is released__ 'feedback'. It's very serious and if it continues, there is enough methane in the Arctic to increase CO2 levels by 3,000% when it all escapes and it has a good start already. Multiply 360 by 3,000 and one can easily see that we will be screwed, it will be far above the 350ppm figure.
It does not require a large amount of chemicals or Co2, to alter the Earth's atmospheric stability. For example, very slight changes of chemicals can cause the Ph in a fish tank or a lake to be deadly for the fish. The same is true for garden soil, if the Ph is not correct, plants suffer and it does not have to change much.
If one should pour a few gallons of trico on the ground and it seeps into an aquifer the water will be deadly for life and the ppm of trico in the water would not have to be very high. The same is true of our atmosphere, slight changes of CO2 will cause a greenhouse effect and subsequent global warming and then the deadly release of methane gas.
That is all factual, global warmng is as real as a pig's butt is pork and a cat can lick it's own butt. Several times in Earth's history global warming was dominent and when that was the case at least three times, almost all life was eradicated on Earth. Once, 251 million years ago, only some bacteria and some deep sea and microscopic ocean plant life survived.
Ignore the GW deniers? ___ No, never. __Fight them tooth, nail, pens and keyboards. They are as dangerous to our lives as a madman trying to blow up a building, or a religious fanatical terrorist, or serial killers. In fact they are worse than those, __ for if we don't stop the global warming and the Arctic methane all releases, we are all gonna die, all means__ all. Do you have a family, children, do you love them? __ Me too. __ Fight the GW deniers, never give up.
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