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A key bloc of Democrats has a climate Plan B: Ditch cap and trade for an energy bill filled with industry giveaways.

Tue Feb. 2, 2010 4:00 AM PST

With the Senate cap-and-trade bill on ice for the foreseeable future, a key bloc of Democrats is agitating for a Climate Plan B: an existing energy policy bill they say would put the US on the path to a clean energy future. Make that a road to nowhere. The bill in question lacks any kind of cap on carbon, and contains so many concessions to the oil, coal, gas, and nuclear industries that one environmental group has dubbed it a "flashback to Bush energy policy."

For months, a gaggle of centrist Democrats has tried to convince the party's leaders that they should abandon their push for a cap-and-trade scheme and instead settle for passing the energy measure that was approved by the Energy and Natural Resources Committee last June. When Republican Scott Brown seized Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate seat in an upset victory, these Plan B proponents saw their chance. Since then, they've been vigorously arguing that capping carbon is a huge political risk that Democrats can't afford to take in an election year. "They're using uncertainty over the Obama agenda as a whole to reinvigorate their push," said Joe Mendelson, director of global warming policy at the National Wildlife Federation.

The Plan B crowd includes Democratic senators Jim Webb, Mary Landrieu, Evan Bayh, Ben Nelson, Kent Conrad, Byron Dorgan, Mark Pryor, and Blanche Lincoln. It could also potentially pick up the Republicans who voted the energy measure out of committee: senators Lisa Murkowski, Sam Brownback, Bob Corker, and Jeff Sessions.

Talk of a climate about-face intensified as news outlets reported last week that senators John Kerry, Lindsey Graham, and Joe Lieberman—who are working to assemble a cross-party coalition to support climate legislation in the Senate—are planning to scrap a cap on carbon altogether. Graham, who was already on the record condemning the House and Senate cap-and-trade bills, declared in an interview with the New York Times that "some massive cap-and-trade system that regulates carbon in a fashion that drives up energy costs" is "dead." "Realistically, the cap-and-trade bills in the House and the Senate are going nowhere," he added.

Abandoning the effort to put a cap on the emissions that are warming the planet could deal a death blow to the chances for an international climate treaty. Right now, other big emitters—China in particular—want to ensure the US makes meaningful cuts before showing their cards. When the Obama administration formally signed on to the Copenhagen accord last week, it pledged to reduce emissions "in the range of" 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020—but only if such a reduction is first passed into law by Congress.

That's not the only problem. Even though supporters of the energy bill like Byron Dorgan tout the proposal as a way to "move us in the direction of a lower-carbon future," the legislation was not written with the aim of lowering pollution. In fact, the bill's numerous concessions to big energy interests could actually lead to more, not less, emissions.

If signed into law, the measure would lift a ban on drilling for oil in the eastern Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Florida—allowing oil extraction just 45 miles offshore.

Daniel Lashof, director of the climate center at the Natural Resources Defense Council, also argues that the bill's measures to expand federal authority over the placement of power lines could increase emissions. More electricity infrastructure without a cap on carbon would make it easier to bring new coal plants online and increase output at existing facilities, said Lashof.

And the handful of provisions in the bill that supposedly provide incentives for clean energy turn out to be pretty anemic. The proposal includes a new renewable electricity standard that requires utilities to produce 15 percent of power from renewable sources by 2021. But solar and wind advocates say that standard is actually less ambitious than the path that the industry is already on. 

The bill would also establish something called a Clean Energy Deployment Administration (CEDA), which supporters claim will direct much-needed loans to the renewable energy sector. However, the bill's fine print ensures that the lion's share of the money will likely go not to start-up wind farms or solar panel factories, but to the nuclear industry. As Mother Jones has reported, the bill would empower the Department of Energy to hand out an unlimited number of loan guarantees to underwrite the construction of new nuclear plants without congressional review. This amounts to a massive giveaway to the nuclear industry, as construction costs have spiraled so dramatically over the past decade that the private sector now refuses to finance new plants. With the Congressional Budget Office warning that the chance of default on these loans is at least 50 percent, the energy bill could leave the taxpayer on the hook for billions. 

Supporters of the energy measure have argued that passing this bill alone is more politically feasible than getting cap and trade through the Senate. But although a bipartisan group of senators on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee approved the measure, its prospects look very different in the wider Senate. Right now, cap and trade is drawing heavy fire from senators from states whose economies depend on forms of energy that would be penalized by a carbon cap. But if Democrats opted to advance a bill with no cap, that measure would then be attacked by the most dedicated supporters of a comprehensive climate solution. Already, 17 senators have written to Obama urging him to keep the focus on a comprehensive bill. Even Lindsey Graham, who has blasted the existing cap-and-trade bills, says the energy-only option is "not strong enough." "I'm not going to ask the environmental community to accept a compromise that doesn't in a serious way deal with our carbon pollution problems," he said last week. "You'll get some votes for a comprehensive package that you wouldn't get for stand-alone proposals."

So what now? With a bloc of Democrats almost entirely written off, it seems Graham, Kerry, and Lieberman are left figuring out just how much oil, gas, nuclear, and coal are needed to sweeten the deal for Republicans. Graham remains confident that they can figure out the right mix. "If we can make the energy piece attractive enough for Republicans, there's going to be more than a handful that would agree to emissions controls," he said. The Obama administration seems to have adopted the same strategy: In the energy portion of his State of the Union address, Obama spoke only of initiatives to encourage nuclear, oil, gas, and "clean" coal—and barely mentioned renewable energy.

Kerry was adamant last week that despite the media reports, he, Graham, and Lieberman aren't abandoning the effort to cap on carbon emissions. But he admitted that they were open to other possibilities beyond the cap-and-trade scheme Democrats have been sweating over for the past year. "We're not stuck on one idea. We're looking for a way to come at this that gets the job done, but the job remains the same: addressing the real urgency of climate change," he said. "There are any number of ways of skinning this cat."

Kate Sheppard covers energy and environmental politics in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here. She Tweets here.

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Comments

Cap... and trade?

This is curious: on seven occasions in this article "cap and trade proposals" are repackaged as measures to "cap" carbon, as though all the loopholes of the domestic and international trading system (which we have documented here http://www.carbontradewatch.org/carbon-trade-fails and which are laid out here http://www.internationalrivers.org/node/4405 in the case of the House bill) magically disappear. The "cap-and-trade" versus "big dirty energy" story is over-simple, to say the least...

Kate is an ignorant scare

Kate is an ignorant scare monger.

She could be comparing with cap-and-dividend, which I suspect could be passed and which Hansen and many others say will work much better, but she doesn't.

She could be comparing with a straight out carbon tax which I think could be passed if leaders would be leaders.

But instead she talks only of cap-and-trade which is an easily gamed system that starts out with massive bribes and financial incentives to the biggest players. At the same time she writes: "A key bloc of Democrats has a climate Plan B: Ditch cap and trade for an energy bill filled with industry giveaways."

Ha Ha! Cap and Trade IS an industry giveaway.

Ignorant Scare? _ You Are The Ignorant One!

I dont agree with any carbon taxes or the cap and trade issue, but for some "unnamed" ignoramous to pin Kate Shepard as ignorant about the issue of we emit far too much Co2 into the atmospphere really is ignorant on your part.

I don't even know what Kate Sheppard thinks about cap and trade, I have never read where she supports it. She investigates and reports the news and she does it very well.

What I get from her article is there will be little done to promote clean energy that is actually clean; instead we will have more nuclear power plants and the continuation of mining and burning coal. That's (the issue) and there will be no "changes we can believe in", either in Washington DC, or in the White House.

Kate Sheppard gives us a good inside look at what is actually going on in DC and we should be very thankful that she and other MOJO writers have the contacts there to help them dig out truths. That's what good reporters do and it's far far better than our MSN.

Hey Kem, With all due

Hey Kem,

With all due respect, I thought you were kind of an idiot to begin with, but now I wonder about your ability to read.

How you can read her piece, which contains many indications of her opinion like this:

"*******Make that a road to nowhere*******. The bill in question lacks any kind of cap on carbon, and contains so many concessions to the oil, coal, gas, and nuclear industries that one environmental group has dubbed it a "flashback to Bush energy policy.""

And then tell us you have no idea what her opinion on these issues is, or tell us what we are reading is a piece of "reporting" and not just a blog post of half opinion and half reporting....

Shame on you Kem. Back to Sesame Street for you!

You reading betweenn the lines?

I read it twice "Noname"r. Where did she say she wants to see Cap and Trade passed? Her main thrust was that honest clean energy will be left in the wake.. She may want to see Cap and Trade passed for all I know. I don't read between the lines to forrm my opinions as you apparently do.

My point to the other blogger, which very well may be you, was that Kate Sheppard is not ignorant about global warming, Co2 emissions, or what our congress does or plans to do in respect to those issues. She is a very fine reporter.

Anyone who wishes to think that I'm an idiot is welcome to their thoughts. Don't bother me at all, I consider the source. You for one no-namer, do not know me at all, or what I have done in my life, etc. Think on.

A lot of comments,__ a lot of GW Deniers

If any more should read this article and the comments, you will find that I have posted over 30 comments on this thread. The reason for that is not for me to satisfy my ego or attempt to take over the thread. The reason is because there are a great number of GW deniers here and I have the time and the inclination to reply to their comments.

The reason I have the inclination to do that is because I believe that global warning is a fact and it has effected the Arctic region of our planet more than any other area on Earth. Due to that fact the Arctic ice and permafrost are rapidly thawing, and there is more than 2,000 million tons of methane gas, which is safely locked up in the Arctic's ocean beds and permafrost.

That methane is now releasing into our atmosphere at a phenominal rate and it is a very serious problem. Those are not my opinions, my opinion is that I trust the sources I use when posting comments here on the issue.

Those sources are Professor Igor Semiletov, the head of the ISSS, a team of more than a hundred scientists who have been studying the Arctic region of Earth for many years. The scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado are another of the very credible sources that I quote.

You will see that I will be ridiculed, attacked and even lied about if you read the comments. That will not detract from the facts that the Arctic ice is melting, the methane gas is releasing and I hope that any who may be skeptical of global warming will accept the fact that we do have a very serious problem in the Arctic and we must attempt to correct the problem.

Thank you, Kem Patrick

Please excuse me, but one more.

I just Goolged Arctic methane again, to see if there were any new and more current articles about the subject. There were not and the one that I have offered here several times in other blogs on the NSIDC new web site has been repalced by more current articles on othe rsubjects.

However, I opend the first of many links just now and here is just one comment from an atmospheric scientist. "We have concluded that a release of up to just 50 Gt of the Arctic methane is highly possible at any time. That would increase the methane content of the atmosphere by a factor of twelve."

There are an estimated 2,000+ millionn tons of methane in the Arctic. 50Gt is just a very small fraction.

Yeah, 50Gt is a small

Yeah, 50Gt is a small fraction of 2,000 million tons. Thats because 50 is smaller than 2000. Riiiight.
If you increased your math ability by a factor of 12 then you could maybe count to 12 if you took your shoes off.

50 Gigatons

It was 50 Gt or 50 million tons. Do you have a reading disability along with your others? Apparantly you do.

I don't offer my scientific opinions, because I am not a scientist. I quote what very credible scientists, such as those in the NSIDC or from the University of Alaska report. So when you say I am wrong, you say those scientists are wrong. Are you a climate, or an Earth scientist, a geologist, palientologist, atmospheric scientist? No, you are a big mouth with no inclination of what truth means.

ROFLMAO!

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50 Gigatons means 50 BILLION tons you silly putz! Every time you try to tell somebody how dumb they are you make yourself look even dumber! That has to be getting harder and harder to do.

B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B.

You are correct, scuse me for the dumb typo. Even dumb bells make mistakes. I'll practice here now.
B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B, M. __ M? Opps, did it again. B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B,B. I got it now.

trade why?

Come on, environmentalists.
Let's properly place the blame for much of this fiasco on the free marketeering folks at EDF and elsewhere who decided that turning our efforts at carbon balancing over to Goldman Sachs was a bright idea.
And, lets broadly, loudly and clearly abandon the TRADING scheme in pollution permits for a straightforward carbon tax in its place to raise funds for the greening of our energy policy.
Trading in a global market of pollution permits needs to be forgotten and abandoned right now.
It is dragging down the efforts to be responsible.
No need for mea culpa's.
But let's get on with something that makes sense.
Carbon tax NOW.

I couldn't agree more.

It seems the only way polluting industrialists will ever change is if their bottom line is directly targeted. Steep taxing of polluters—without the fluff and under-handed maneuvers of Cap and Trade—is really the only responsible solution for this problem.

Getting the oil, coal, and nuclear industry involved in the process makes about as much sense as getting AIG and Citi to help with reestablishing financial regulations.

politcal involvement

The trade part of cap and trade is solely used to allow congress to wring economic rents out of some industries and companies and reward them to others. Besides encouraging (now unlimited) inflows of cash into the political process, why are we doing this?

finally... some good news

HOORAY! it is about time we took off the rose colored glasses and stopped looking for the rainbow pooping unicorns and got down to some serious energy production. The "The World Is Coming To An End" AGW pseudo-scientists have finally been caught out with faking, fudging and flat out lying so now we can go back to concentrating on cleaning up water and air and discard the climate change power grab (the biggest con job ever attempted).

Calvin & Hobbes have some

Calvin & Hobbes have some good advice for Sen. Webb on how to solve the climate crisis:

http://akwag.blogspot.com/2010/02/calvin-hobbes-on-how-to-solve-climate....

Solution: stop whining like a 6-year old!

Enough is enough!!This

Enough is enough!!This environmental movement needs to be stopped!The leftists running the environmental show want everyone to have nothing,especially freedom.They want all of us to ride our bicycles to our meaning less little jobs and eat pine needles,while the fly around in jets and eat steak and lobster.These jerks all think they are the ruling class,they are not,most of them are losers working for some government agency,because they can't make it in the private sector they are trying to destroy!

You make no sense. And your

You make no sense. And your nonsense fosters anger in you (or is it the anger that fosters the nonsense?). And that anger doesn't help you live a good life, or help a world that needs some rational and cooperative dialogue these days.

His Rhetoric May Be Shrill But His Point Is Valid

Just like victims are always "innocent" and tax cuts are
always "for the rich," the phrase "carbon emissions" is
always amplified by "...that are warming our planet." This
despite the fact that the consensus is unraveling as more
evidence of chicanery by the AGW proponents comes to
light.

Energy brings Wealth. It's that simple. Cheap, abundant
energy will bring "cheap, abundant wealth." You want
abundant food for all? Housing for everyone? Universal
healthcare? So do I.

If the enviroweenies stand in the way of every energy
source proposed, we condemn our children to third-world
poverty. And they DO oppose everything. Wind turbines?
They're ugly, they produce infrasound, they cuisinart the
poor li'l birdies! Solar? The arrays cover up land that is
the natural habitat of the rare and endangered
venom-spitting screamapillar! Hydro? No! Not another damn
dam that will drown the land that Mother Gaia meant to be
dry! Nuclear? Chernobyl! Three Mile Island! We'll have ATOMS ALL OVER US!!!

If we will promote truly "liberal," truly "progressive"
energy policies, we will so increase the GNP that the cost
of universal healthcare will be buried in the rounding
errors.

Fear is the path to the dark

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Yes, the global warming

Yes, the global warming hypocrite, they fly around the world in lear jets and ride around in limos and live in houses that use 100 times the energy of a "regular" house all the while telling us to somehow get around and make a living without using any dirty fossil fuel.

They have set themselves up to make billions off the cap & trade scam.

Now the answer is nuclear, I think they forgot about the 1/2 life of uranium and how they can't deal with the waste that creates now.

I'd rather deal with carbon than uranium but that's just me.

If the green tech was any good it would sell itself.

educate yourself

Do you have any idea how much money oil and gas companies get in subsidies? If green tech received similar amounts, I bet it "would sell itself" too. Yes green tech gets subsidies too, but not nearly as much.

It must suck to live in such a bitter world.

Gas and Oil Subsidies.

The entire Gas and Oil industries recieved about 6 billion last year in subsidies. Exxon/Mobile alone paid $30 billion in taxes for 2008.

The "Green" industry has already recieved about 70 billion to date. If Cap and Tax passses, we are looking at some estimates as high as $1.8 Trillion.

A trillion dollars would be equivelent to a stack of one thousand dollar bills, ($1,000) 67.8 miles high. Pretty soon you are talking real money.

And no, I don't work for the oil companies and I am not a republican.

We do need more nuclear power plants!

We do need more nuclear power plants. What we need to do is build them near coal and natural gas producing states. There is the Fischer-Tropsch process, which turns coal and natural gas into synthetic gasoline. This process has been around for many years. But was energy intensive to do. With inexpensive nuclear power, it would be cost effective. Railway cars would carry off the liquid fuel instead of coal. Put centralized scrubbers in these plants. Those scrubbed pollutants, primarily sulfur, would be available in high concentrations as to be a valuable industrial product all it's own. That sulfur byproduct at the hypothetical nuclear-powered coal liquification plant, becomes sulfuric acid. This acid is the most important non-fuel industrial chemical known to man! We have hundreds of years of coal and natural gas. No more dependence on foreign oil!

You Hate Green! __ Your Ilk Are The Big Problem.

You hate green, the enviromentalists must be stopped you state. How friggin ignorant can anyone possibly be? If you have two brain cells wired up, you may understand that all humans and all life on this blue and white water world must insure that our enviroment is both clean and safe for all life.

First, with hundreds of various chemicals and man made radioactive poisons, we are killing off the ocean's phytoplankton. That (vital) for (all life) on Earth, is trillions of microscopic plants that supply us with more than 60% of our oxygen. You didn't know that did you Green Hater? Buy some bottled oxygen,__ lots of it.

We have polluted our atmosphere with so much Co2 and or methane gas by mining and burning coal, that the Co2 level in the upper atmosphere, or our (vital) for (all life) greenhouse blanket, is now over 390 parts per million.

Grade school science thru college graduate school teaches that Co2 levels over 335 ppm will insure global warming. If you don't believe global warming is a true fact, just go visit the Arctic area of the planet, which by the way is a fifth of the planet, and see what is occurring there. If it continues to thaw, and it will, we won' t be here discussing any issues in a few more years.

So go on hating green, but if you have any children, someday when the fit hits the shan, beg their forgiveness, because you will sadly discover that you were horribly mistaken.

HAHAHAHA. I wont even bother

HAHAHAHA. I wont even bother responding to this because it is such drivel. It is actually whiners like you who don't understand the big picture.

You Failed Grade School Science I see.

If you believe that the science text books for grade, high school and college are all wrong, why don' t you set the scientific world on it's head and write your own text books?

And the phytoplankton? You obviously disagree with what I wrote about that too. Good, display your incredible stupidity here some more no-namer. LOL.

Judging by all the

Judging by all the recommendations - 37 and counting! - you either have a lot of friends or there are a lot of (self-hating?) conservatives reading MJ. Maybe that's a good thing.

Well, with the wheels falling

Well, with the wheels falling off 'climate change' science so quickly that ol' Pachauri's about to find himself skidding down the road on his backside, it's encouraging to see that our political class might get some semblance of a clue as to what's going on.

We know Kerry's a buffoon, but I haven't figured out why Lindsey Graham is such a tool of the warmists. He needs to be taken behind the woodshed.

John Kerry

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One way to so call "skin the cat" is express support for the largest single supply side reduction in greenhouse gases every proposed in the United States - the Cape Wind project - and in Senator Kerry's home state no less. We are talking not only a real steel in the ground, but real jobs and a real move toward energy independence. This is not rhetoric but real megawatts of clean renewable energy.

Cap & Trade Bologna Sandwich

To paraphrase a Mexican Bandido in Treasure of the Sierra Madre, "We don't need no stinkin' cap and trade" or badges for that matter.

China and India will continue to grow their economies utilizing carbon based fuels that are less clean than our industries. This has always been about the corruption of our and the world's political class and the scientific ignorance of our political class and populace. Enough already!

Perhaps we can begin to put a stop to this insanity beginning in November as we remove Democratic politiskunks from their sinecures in Washington, DC. If Republicans repeat the malfeasance of the Democrats we should "hang them all".

EPA

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Wait there are Senators acting like little children instead of working to combat the effects of climate change? Wow thats news. To paraphrase Krugman, the new Democrat obstructionist are not only guilty of treason against the country, but also the world. Unfortunately, the problem just doesn't disappear nor can we wait any longer. We shouldn't be surprised that many Senators lack the basic skills to perform their job, such as Mary Landrieu and the entire Republican Senate Caucus. They just don't get it or they do, but sell out to the donations from oil and gas industry. They should be ashamed of themselves for exhibiting such pathetic and apathetic behavior.
As we knew months ago, the only way to move forward is for the EPA to enact strong GHG regulations. The Senate was given a chance to actually pass solid climate legislation. As to be expected they have completely failed. EPA must move forward.

Cap and Trade Scam?

If you are still of the mindset that Cap and Trade is some sort of scam, then you really need to do some reading. We have already enacted Cap and Trade twice, once for acid rain mitigation through the reduction of SO2 emissions and the transition to unleaded fuels. Both ended under projected costs and ahead of schedule. Cap and Trade is not a scam and protest is getting really old. The economic system of cap and trade has been around since the 1960's developed by two conservative economists. The only conclusion I can draw is the following: In order for us to arrive at a solution to the problem you really need to do your homework. Otherwise you just really need to keep your ignorance to yourself.
There are problems with Cap and Trade. In fact, most economists, not only form the left but also former Bush economists and Bloomberg, agree that a carbon tax would be much more productive. The problem is people loose their minds over taxes regardless of the benefits. So we go with option number 2, Cap and Trade.
Although not as effective at curbing GHG emissions, it's a proven solution.

"In fact, most economists,

"In fact, most economists, not only form the left but also former Bush economists and Bloomberg, agree that a carbon tax would be much more productive. The problem is people loose their minds over taxes regardless of the benefits."

Under what circumstances would people lose their minds over taxes that they would not lose their mind over cap-and-trade?

There has to be a plan in

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There has to be a plan in place to move to carbon free sources before cap and trade or a carbon tax is implemented. Wind and solar can only represent about 20-25% of our energy needs as Obama’s energy czar, Dr Chu, realizes. Only about 20% of co2 comes from cars, trucks and planes, most come from electric generation and our electric demands will only go up in the future not matter how much conserving we do.
The ONLY choice we have today for the other 75% of baseline power are Coal or Nuclear.
Every time you see one of those Al Gore commercials that says we need to reduce our reliance on foreign oil and then show a windmill turning, most American realize what a joke that is. ALL the science tells us that in the near future our only choice is Nuclear or coal. To oppose Nuclear power is to ignore real science and extends our reliance on green house gas producing power sources. Either support Nuclear or quite complaining about using coal. Even Obama’s energy chief realizes this. France and Japan get most of their electricity from Nuclear with NO PROBLEMS.
Breeder reactors can greatly extend uranium supplies but there are even better solutions that do not lead to proliferation problems.
Thorium reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generated its power inexpensively, created no weapons-grade by-products, and burnt up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel can be modified to be used in current reactors.
Here are some sources or just google “thorium reactors”
http://www.globenewswire.com/news.html?d=174042
http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/19758

Only Nuclear or Coal... Really?

Researchers from MIT conducted a long term study an determined that we have enough readily available Geo-Thermal energy to supply all of the electrical power we could ever possibly use for the next 50,000 years.

We would not need coal or nuclear.

The Cost Of Energy

If the alternatives were CHEAPER than current sources we wouldn't need laws, graft, and corruption to make them happen.

So who wants more research? No Greens I have ever heard from.

Every one knows from the dope market that you can't stop the quest for profits. Why not apply that simple understanding to energy?

""flashback to Bush energy

""flashback to Bush energy policy."

We could only wish.

I think we should all be

I think we should all be making a climate plan B. We may as well swallow the reality that between the US lowballing every domestic AND international effort, along with all the billions of concessions made at Kyoto and Copenhagen, the only Global Warming we're fighting is the political topic, not the scientific reality. We will not be able to curb emissions enough to make a dent. You know that list of things you want to do before you die? Time to get crackin'.

This link from MIT is about

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This link from MIT is about Thorium nuclear reactors, which Senate Leader Harry Reid supports.
Thorium reactors offer no possibility of a meltdown, generated its power inexpensively, create no weapons-grade by-products, and burnt up existing high-level waste as well as old nuclear weapon stockpiles. Thorium fuel can be modified to be used in current nuclear reactors
http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/19758

"We've told so many lies,

"We've told so many lies, young scientists are totally confused"

http://climaterealists.com/?id=4960
(a video spoof of climate science)

Global Green Conspiracy Continues to Unravel

As another report details the unraveling of the green conspiracy at the IPCC, we really need to step back and ask, what's going on? Why are so many fraudulent claims being made about climate?

Read more at http://bit.ly/aIRY7w

The reality-based community marches on

Cap and trade has been a failure in Europe. The "science" behind the AGW scare is collapsing under the daily revelations of faked and "lost" data, intimidation of critics and outright lies. And even those who still believe, and that is certainly the correct term now, that man-made CO2 is causing massive, harmful climate change admit that cap and trade will have little or no effect on reducing CO2 emissions. It's about moving money around and granting power to people, corporations and agencies who lust for it.

Cap and trade was always about graft and massive transfers of wealth from disfavored entities to those who contribute sufficiently to the Democratic Party. The newly-proposed "energy legislation" will simply do the same thing by other, or possibly even some of the same, means.

Only three kinds of people still believe in the AGW hoax. (1) Democrats and their sponsors on Wall Street and in large corporations like GE, seeking to cash in on a government-mandated market they could not otherwise establish. (2) Sundry haters, Marxist or otherwise, of "the West," industrialism, capitalism and human enterprise of any sort. (3) True believer ecofundamentalists, who have their entire worldviews invested in the fundamental iniquity of mankind and who advocate massive sacrifices (usually by others) to the Earth Goddess to prevent biblical apocalypse, which they ironically hope for anyway, as it will cleanse The Planet of the human race they so deeply detest. A perfect collection of Regressive memes.

What I learned

Wow, I learned some things from the comments on this article.

First of all, I learned that Ditto-Heads hate "liberals" and "environmentalits". Did someone throw in the "feminazis"? And Al Gore is fat. Rush Limbaugh is fat too, but he is a "conservative" so it's OK for him to be fat.

Then I learned that global warming is not a problem and that nuclear power is the only solution to the global warming problem, which is not a problem, unless the solution is nuclear power, in which case it is.

And, I learned that only the heroic freedom-loving underdogs of ExxonMobil can save us from the Scheming Evil Climate Scientists who want to rule the world, and who are, of course, much richer and more powerful than the poor struggling oil corporations.

Will someone put that cow

Will someone put that cow Landrieu out to pasture, geesh.

1+1=2__2+2=4 And So On. Wheeeeee!

For the bright ones who claim global warming is a myth, or a hoax, or GW is finished, here are some math facts.

Grade School Science, _ thru college graduate level, teaches that when Co2 levels in our upper atmosphere rise near or above the 335-337 parts per million level, global warming commences. We have reached that figure and passed it. Co2 levels in our upper atmosphere are now above 390 ppm and steadily rising. Any wish to dispute that? __ Don' t bother, it's physics and has not been proven to be incorrect.

Mining and burning coal is near the top of the list for human caused Co2 and methane emissions. Any wish to dispute that? Don't bother, it's a slam dunk fact.

The Arctic ice is and has been rapidly melting and methane gas is escaping into our atmosphere faster than a speeding bullet. Well, very quickly and lots of it.

There are over (400 billion tons) of methane gas in the Arctic region of Earth which has been safely locked up in the Arctic ice for millions of years. There is enough methane, when released, to increase Co2 levels in our atmosphere by 3,000%.

Multiply 390 by 3,000 and the answer is__ta de daaaa, 1,170,000 ppm. Pretty neat huh? So if global warming commences when the Co2 level is near 335 ppm, just imagine what it will be like after half a million or the full blast of 1,170,000 ppm.

Global warming will be a myth then. It will be global heating, so we better stock up on bottled water now before the price reaches 20 bucks a gallon.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

When CO2 is 1,170,000ppm that

When CO2 is 1,170,000ppm that will mean the atmosphere is 117% CO2. Bummer. But at least our beers won't ever go flat.

To get 3000% of a number you multiply by 30, not 3000.

That 1+1=2 and 2+2=4 part looks right. I hope you got credit for it in a peer-reviewed journal of atmospheric physics before you just put it out on the internet.

Oops twice Twice

You are 100% corrext,,, I was asleep. Okay 30 times 390 is ??? never mind. I failed speling too.

It will be really hot anyway.

390 x 3000% = 1,170,000?

Someone was obviously asleep during grade school science, _ thru college graduate level and never understood fractions. Don't despair the world needs burger flippers too.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Lost credability

Great answer, I deserved it.

Talk abut losing credability! Does that math error mean all that I wrote is wrong? I threw that pocket calculator away and my wife slapped me silly. .

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