Palin and McCain
| Wed Oct. 22, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
PALIN AND McCAIN....Sarah Palin told James Dobson today that John McCain is 100% committed to the Republican Party platform on abortion. Marc Ambinder comments:
If McCain is going to implement it — something of which Palin is convinced from the bottom of her heart — then that means that McCain will support a constitutional amendment to ban all abortion (including those cases where the mother was raped or was the victim of incest), a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and he will oppose government-sponsored embryonic stem cell research.
Either Palin trying to mislead Dobson, equivocate, or perhaps [she] doesn't know what her running mate believes. McCain opposes a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.... He supports embryonic stem cell research...he opposes a constitutional amendment banning all abortion.
Hmmm. Here is NBC political analyst Chuck Todd's impression of a joint McCain-Palin interview conducted today by Brian Williams:
There was a tenseness....I couldn't see chemistry between John McCain and Sarah Palin. I felt as if we grabbed two people and said "here, sit next to each other, we are going to conduct an interview." They are not comfortable with each other yet.
Let's summarize. Palin doesn't know McCain's own positions. Earlier this week she criticized his robocalling messages. The conservative base is practically bursting at the seams waiting to dump McCain after November 4th and embrace Palin as the future of the party. And to top it all off, it has to be hellishly embarrassing to sit beside her during an interview and be forced to pretend that she's talking like an actual adult while she's spouting her usual stream of index card nonsense.
So, yeah, he's probably not comfortable with her yet. I suspect McCain knows perfectly well what's in store from the Palin camp after they lose the election. Loyalty to her mentors, after all, is not exactly her strong suit.
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This part of the Williams interview stood out to me:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Gov. Palin, yesterday, you tied this notion of an early test to the president with this notion of preconditions, that you both have been hammering the Obama campaign on. First of all what in your mind is a pre-condition?
PALIN: You have to have some diplomatic strategy going into a meeting with someone like Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il, or one of these dictators that would seek to destroy America or our allies. It is so naive and so dangerous for a presidential candidate to just proclaim that they would be willing to sit down with a leader like Ahmadinejad, and just talk about the problems, the issues that are facing them, that's some ill-preparedness right there.
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Does she even know what a pre-condition is?
I suspect McCain knows perfectly well what's in store from the Palin camp after they lose the election.
The inevitable and classic denouement of predictable exercises in futility where the main character realizes he has walked off the edge of the cliff and gravity kicks in?
Why do conservatives have to wait til after the election to dump McCain and embrace Palin? I strongly encourage any conservatives out there to write Palin in as your presidential pick on this year's ballot. Sure, it would decimate McCain's share of the electorate, but what a story it would make! Write in Palin '08!
Palin doesn't know McCain's own positions.
Hell, she doesn't even know what the Vice President of the United States DOES. How could we possibly expect her to know her running-mate's position on a DETAILED ISSUE?
The conservative base is practically bursting at the seams waiting to dump McCain after November 4th and embrace Palin as the future of the party.
Oh ... oh yes ... oh make it so ... oh PLEASE let it be so ... ooh yeah ...
Submitted by Howard (not verified) on Wed Oct. 22, 2008 5:03 PM PDT.
If and when McCain loses the election -- primarily due to Palin -- then we should all welcome the Republican embrace of the loser Palin after the election... and look forward to the Party's disavowals of all things McCain (who is 95% conservative, as was Bush... which was not enough for TRUE conservatives.)
Sheesh! There's no pleasing some people.
Not that I really want to defend Palin, but can somebody tell me why such a big deal is being made about her comment that the Vice President is in charge of the Senate?
After all, it's perfectly true- the VP is constitutionally the President of the Senate.
On a related note, Kevin, I'm wondering if you're sticking by your prediction that Palin will fade into obscurity after the election. I continue to be torn on this question, but I think there's a distinct possibility that, as the Republican Party devours itself post-McCain, Palin will preside over the feast.
Submitted by Howard (not verified) on Wed Oct. 22, 2008 6:38 PM PDT.
The VP doesn't have a vote in the Senate except in the case of a tie. So, as Keith Olbermann says, the VP isn't in charge of jack.
Palin also said that the VP "can get in there with the Senators and make a lot of policy changes." Uh... nope. Not without a vote.
President of the Senate is like being VP -- not worth a bucket of warm spit.
Palin was talking to a third grader, so I wouldn't really expect her to get into the subtleties. And who knows what the VP could do with that Senate president role if he she really took it seriously? I'm no Palin fan, but this one strikes me as no big deal.
I'm not convinced Palin's as popular with the base as it seems. Or rather I think Huckabee is more popular and will crowd her out when the time comes. Really I think she's only popular among the Kristol set, and their stock is in the tank.
From the same Palin/Dobson interview, this really stuck out:
Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of "Focus on the Family" that she is confident God will do "the right thing for America" on Nov. 4.
It seems like Palin is putting God in a rather awkward position. My Christian dogma is rusty, but if Obama wins in Nov., wouldn't it logically follow that God didn't do the "right thing"? Wouldn't it then follow that God - by definition infallible - having fucked up, created a paradox that negated His existance? Way to kill God, Sarah!
So, yeah, he's probably not comfortable with her yet.
I don't know what you and/or Chuck Todd could possibly be talking about. Please recall that shortly after naming Sarah Palin as his running mate, after having had all of three conversations with her, McCain proudly proclaimed that Sarah Palin was his 'soulmate'. How could he be uncomfortable with her?
Submitted by Frank Wilhoit (not verified) on Wed Oct. 22, 2008 7:25 PM PDT.
Be careful what you wish for. Sarah Palin is America's Maggie Thatcher. She is still to the left of the base, but she is much nearer to them than any previous national candidate. She will move very quickly and aggressively, starting on 5 Nov., to stake out a position as shadow President of Red America. It will be secession without secession and no one will have the guts to lift a finger against it.
Submitted by Alan in Elk Grove (not verified) on Wed Oct. 22, 2008 8:20 PM PDT.
Watching this Republican campaign is like watching a verrry long Roadrunner movie with McCain as the ill-fated Wiley Coyote. Everything he does blows up in his face but immediately returns for the next scene. Just like the Roadrunner movie, on Nov. 5, McCain's movie will, mercifully, be over...
Sarah Palin told Dr. James Dobson of "Focus on the Family" that she is confident God will do "the right thing for America" on Nov. 4. . . .It seems like Palin is putting God in a rather awkward position. My Christian dogma is rusty, but if Obama wins in Nov., wouldn't it logically follow that God didn't do the "right thing"? Wouldn't it then follow that God - by definition infallible - having fucked up, created a paradox that negated His existance? Way to kill God, Sarah!
Or one might conclude that God did the right thing and ensured the election of Obama-Biden.
Either way, some heads will explode on November 5.
Palin was talking to a third grader...
Um, no she wasn't. She was talking to a reporter.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/22/1878/1100/633/639070
'Well, you betcha. It's when you have a thought in your head BEFORE you sit down in front of people and say stuff that is so conditioned on and important here we all know with all this national security that is so important here in this election and in our America that I may be so blessed to represent."
Palin is the gift that keeps on giving.
May Sarah be the face of the Republican party forever, which won't be too long the way things are going.
Back in the primaries, I thought Ron Paul was the best opponent the Dems could hope for. But he pales next to Palin.
Submitted by KathyF (not verified) on Thu Oct. 23, 2008 3:58 AM PDT.
I keep thinking I should feel sorry for one of that pair. But I just can't figure out which one deserves my sympathy. They both brought their sorry plights onto themselves.
I suspect we'll wake up November 5 to find them eating at each others' entrails.
Submitted by Jassalasca Jape (not verified) on Thu Oct. 23, 2008 4:42 AM PDT.
What Quaker in a Basement said at 1.35. That whole spiel made me cringe. I really don't like media people telling me what my reactions should be.
I honestly don't think Palin has the smarts to ever be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate. She probably has a lucrative future as a right-wing commentator, however.
I'm sure one of the reasons McCain is getting pissed with her is that he now realizes just how irresponsible she was in accepting the offer in the first place. She should have known that she wasn't ready and would sink the ticket.
Palin could be right that McCain would "support" all of those amendments. After all, the President has nothing to do with constitutional amendments. He could say he "supports" them if introduced, knowing full well they'd never get the 2/3 votes to get through congress.
Was so disgusted that the Dems chose an inexperienced ONE-TERM US SENATOR and friend of Ayers, Rezko and Rev. "God Damn America" Wright, that I voted Republican for the first time in 30 + years! Too bad Hillary was screwed by her party. I planned on voting for her. Wonder how many of her 18 million supporters feel the same way.
My wife works with children with special needs and she thinks that it is bizarre that Sarah Palin even wants to work, now that she has a child with Down's Syndrome. Who is taking care of this child? Depending on the severity and involvement, this child (Trig) could have heart abnormalities in addition to a slew of developmental delays. With the First Dude out snowmobiling and working to have Alaska secede from the Union, who is really caring for this poor child? I think we should turn the Palin's in to Alaska Social Services for parental neglect.
Does the term "separation of powers" mean anything to you? If not, and if the Constitution's separation of the executive from the legislative branches means nothing, then yes, I guess Sarah Palin's idea of deliberating and voting with the Senate would not be disturbing.
The reason it IS such a big deal, Virginia, that Palin says the Veep "gets to be in charge of the Senate and get in there and make policy" -is that it demonstrates her tendency to overreach her authority (as in the "Troopergate" incident).
She sucks up power without any regard for the rules of ethics, propriety, or law. This is a frightening woman who- God forbid!- as President would stop at nothing to promote her own agenda. And right now, she's hooked on her own notoriety; she's stutting her stuff at the beauty pageant- believing that she's SO PRETTY she can do anything she wants and everyone will still want her for their Queen. It's a sickness.
Look, I'm as eager as anybody to see the McCain/Palin ticket fail, but Todd's mindreading act is just embarrassing. Body language? Negative vibes?
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I'm with you. I thought Chuck Todd was talking nonsense. And Brian Williams looked embarrassed for him, as he should have been. I found this sort of dimestore pseudo-psychology stuff infuriating when pundits did it to Al Gore. Part of me is pleased to see it directed at non-Democrats, but it's still speculative and silly.
Of course it is significant that Palin (incorrectly) believes the VP position has special power. I know our focus has shifted away from the current administration, but certainly you still remember Dick Cheney. Right, the VP who is "credited" with fabricating the idea of weapons of mass destruction, thus lying us into this war. The same VP who met in secret with oil executives to draft legislation that led to record high profits for the oil companies. This is the VP who pushed for Guantanamo and the use of torture against detainees who have never been found guilty. Let's not forget illegal wiretapping and his refusal to appear before the senate despite being issued a suppoena. THIS is the vice president who believes that the president is a unitary executive who can act without the support of congress or the Judicial branch.
It was Cheney who first suggested that the VP is not subject to executive orders because the VP "office" neither fully housed in the Executive or Legislative branch of the government. On this basis, he argued that his office was not required to comply with requests for information about how the VP office spent money, who attended meetings or what was discussed. Despite being ordered by the Supreme Court to turn over records, Cheney simply refused-- END OF STORY. NO ACTION WAS TAKEN TO FORCE THE ISSUE.
Sarah Palin's comments about the role of VP, particularly in light of her own secretive behavior as Mayor and Governor, are eerily similar to those of Cheney. We DON'T need another administration that considers itself above the law. That is how we got into this current mess in the first place.
Yes it matters. She isn't as vacant as she appears. This "one of the guys" roles is the same tactic that George Bush used- and despite all appearances, I'm afraid he isn't as dumb as we give him credit for being. Don't take her for granted-- she is dangerous, this one.
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