Treason Watch
| Mon Oct. 13, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
TREASON WATCH....Did Barack Obama try to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay a security agreement with the United States? Even Republican witnesses say he did no such thing during a meeting in Baghad, but how about during a June phone call with Iraq's foreign minister? Apparently not then either:
The statement by Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari refutes a recent published report and a statement by Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin that Obama tried to influence Iraqi politicians negotiating with the United States to score political points.
Obama "never, ever discouraged us not to sign the agreement," Zebari said. "I think this was misrepresented, and I have clarified this case in a number of interviews back in the United States recently."
The ball's back in your court, wingnuts — though I guess you've already moved on to "Bill Ayers ghostwrote Obama's book" nutbaggery, haven't you? Must be hard typing while wearing a straitjacket, though.
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The Nutter Patrol during an Obama administration is going to make the Clinton years look like a serene afternoon of meditation. Shrill on steriods. It's going to be a maddening 4-8 year battle of the worst bullshit you can imagine. Truly a depressing proposition.
Amen, Kevin. I'm usually one to go right at the wingnuts and punch them square in the nose. However, these recent personal attacks on Obama, in light of the grave dangers this country faces right now, are beyond wacky. They are cartoonish and infantile.
I say ignore the slimeballs. All Obama has to do is to act presidential and dignified, which McCain clearly has not, and he is going to win in a landslide in November.
I recall a photo op with Reagan just after the hostage's release when he was asked if the Republicans had done any negotiating with Iran when the new prez answered that there had been talks, but he couldn't discuss them. Wish somebody could dig that footage up.
Eh, the Ayers-ghostwriting-Obama's-book allegation is small potatoes.
Coming to the Corner soon: Obama actually is Ayers, and that immediately upon taking the oath of office, "Obama" will rip a mask off his face, Mission:Impossible-style, and reveal Ayers underneath?
While we are on the subject of the timing of the Iraqi status of forces deal, just why did Bush want troops to stay in harms way just a little longer than Obama?
And Laura Rozen recently pointed to the AP: "Plan for US diplomatic outpost in Iran dropped; political concerns among reasons"
Then there is the weird timing of GITMO (show)trails. I don`t think I was the only one who wondered if at one point there was a move for a death penalty in October rather then getting a dangerous terrorist convicted ASAP.
This would be similar to the timing with which some popular southern democrats found themselfs indicted by freshly installed US attorneys. (Any ETA on comments on that IG report Kevin?)
Hey! Remember when Nixon torpedoed the Paris Peace negotiations (by secret talks between Kissinger and Thieu) so he could get elected in '68 on a platform of ending the war? Now there, my friends, is a great American patriot.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9902E5DC143CF931A2575BC0A...
I'm sorry but Palin is simply the most noxious human being to ever come out of that sewer called the Republican Party. And that's saying a lot. At least most of the past recipients of such a description were just evil and were smart enough to know that what they were saying was a lie. But Palin - she's too stupid to even realize that what she's saying is pure fantasy.
I know Jack Cashill very casually. He is a very bright, engaging and interesting guy, albeit with a tendancy towards unusual and sometimes conspiratorial theories.
I saw him at a non-political event last week, and he said that he personally believed Ayers helped write the book, but he could not prove it. His column on the issue was cautious and did not allege claim that he could prove that Ayers had written the book. For those who are intellectually curious, you should read Cashill's analysis. While no one contends he has proof, he does make some very interesting points and you should find the column interesting as well.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1....
I read the article, Brian. It shows that Ayers and Obama, both fairly good writers, often resort to cliches and sometimes use the same ones.
Both use the word "rage," a word never seen elsewhere in radical or black literature.
Most damning of all? Ayers referred to Obama as a "writer" when he was an otherwise obscure person with a book published.
Give me a break.
thersites,
I agree the proof of Ayers role is lacking. What I found interesting was the theory that good writers do not suddenly appear without some trail of prior writing and that Obama has no prior writing that has been publicly disclosed.
That sounded logical, although it only really supports the theory (also advanced by Cashill, I think) that Obama had an undisclosed ghostwriter/assistant or a very strong editor, not that Ayers was invovled.
good writers do not suddenly appear without some trail of prior writing
Learning writers often do not appear in print until they've gotten good at it. (Unpublished writer here, still learning the craft and speaking from knowledge.) Some people have a natural, fluid style and learn more quickly than others.
brian >"...the theory that good writers do not suddenly appear without some trail of prior writing..."
That`s it ? You gotta be kidding. That is light years beyond lame.
Dude, grow up & enjoy life in the real world.
*sheesh*, these people...
"...Never was such a cleverness used in the design of making us all stupid...." - Voltaire
thersites,
I don't think your point is at odds with Cashill's argument. You say writers often do not appear in print until they are good at it. Cashill was not arguing that Obama should have prior writing "in print." He said there should be evidence of prior writing efforts, such as presumably you would have, as you try to develop your craft.
DaCascadian,
I don't think calling the other person lame and not in the real world futhers intelligent discussion. Although I suppose quoting Voltaire is designed to impress people and likely would impress a certain type of person. From my perspective, you can save the Voltaire quotes and, if you have a valid point to make in opposition to the Cashill analysis, I would be glad to hear it.
there should be evidence of prior writing efforts, such as presumably you would have, as you try to develop your craft.
In reality, if I ever get good at this shit and get published I'll make damn sure that evidence of prior writing efforts never sees the light of day.
brian, everyon'e favorite faux-reasonable Republican concern troll, dropped this bit in his laughable endorsement of the allegations that Ayres ghost-wrote Obama's book: Obama has no prior writing that has been publicly disclosed
"Publicly disclosed" -- I love that! I just love the implication that Obama has something to hide, when, as thersites points out, writers develop their craft over time and hardly need -- or sometimes want -- to "disclose" their juvenalia".
That, my friends, is classic, hardcore Republican propaganda.
Shame on you, Brian.
And I forgot to mention implication brian's implication that the burden of proof is on Obama.
Not to mention his insistence that Cashill's "analysis" requires a valid point in opposition, when brian admits he has no proof. brian insists that Cashill's unsupported assertions be considered valid until disporved. That alone is proof enough that, despite his protests to DaCascadian, brian is not here for "intelligent discussion." Well, I have a valid response to that -- bullshit.
But the thing is, brian, everyone knows you already. You have no credibility as anything other than a dishonest Republican propagandist. I'll grant that since most of them seem to have barely graduated from writing with crayons you do exhibit a certain slimy Orwellian skill, but the very traits that make you a somewhat less ridiculous propagandist also make it all the more obvious.
Are you paid to post here?
So much for intelligent discussion.
The point is that Obama's maiden writing effort was pretty well written, after a history of no prior writing and admitted problems in coming up with his first book, so it raises the logical question of whether he had help. I think it is likey that he did and very unlikely that he would admit it now. It might have been Ayers, and Cashill has produced an interesting theory, but we likely will never know.
Brian wrote: "So much for intelligent discussion."
You have never engaged in anything remotely resembling intelligent discussion in any of your numerous comments posted here.
All you ever do is slavishly regurgitate the scripted, bogus, vicious lies and smears that are spoon-fed to you by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the rest of the right-wing extremist propaganda machine.
You are nothing but a weak-minded, ignorant, pathetic stooge, and your malicious, deliberately dishonest, dumbass comments deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule in response.
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