CNN and Jim DeMint

| Wed Apr. 29, 2009 9:42 AM PDT

This is annoying.  Here is CNN's Political Ticker today describing an interview with South Carolina senator Jim DeMint:

DeMint says he isn't worried. He denied that the GOP has become a southern party, attributing Republican losses in the northeast to some northern voters who have left the region and moved south hoping to avoid labor unions and "forced unionization."

I was all ready to bring the snark to the idea that people were moving south to avoid being press ganged into unions, but first I wanted to look up the actual transcript.  Here it is:

SANCHEZ: Why does it seem like the Republican Party is only going to the South, the Southern states, and the Democratic Party is starting to stay in the Northeast and then maybe branching out into some of the other areas, like Pennsylvania, where Arlen Specter is leaving?  I mean, does that worry?

DEMINT: Well, it's not just politically. People are moving from the northeast and from the northern part of the country to the south for a lot of reasons. And I think you see heavy unionization and forced unionization in Pennsylvania and Michigan, these other states. And obviously they're very much for the Democrat big-government approach. But we see that falling apart with American auto companies. We see it falling apart all across the country.

Come on.  DeMint may not be doing himself any favors with this kind of head-in-the-sand stuff, and in any case it's not really true that there's any serious regional migration between north and south.  Still, he didn't say people were moving south because of unionization.  He said people were doing it "for a lot of reasons" and then, responding to Sanchez's question about why Dems were branching out into Pennsylvania, suggested that places like Pennsylvania and Michigan are friendly to the "Democrat big-government approach" because of their high unionization.  And he believes in his heart of hearts that this is falling apart and conservatism will prevail.  This is probably wrong too, but it's not nearly as risible as the notion that factory workers are fleeing south to avoid closed shops.  CNN's own summary got it wrong.  DeMint is a troglodyte, but this is fairly ordinary political blather, not the high-octane idiocy they made it out to be.

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What I find the most

What I find the most interesting about the quote is the casual way in which he implies lack of difference (or perhaps equivalency) between labor unions and "big government", two GOP boogiemen royally conflated into something more sinister & amorphous...

The problem here...

is that Rick Sanchez really is a high-octane idiot. That show is much better when T.J. Holmes is hosting it.

Yeah it's funny he doesn't

Yeah it's funny he doesn't make a single declarative statement in that paragraph. But I guess the headline: "DeMint seems to say unions are bad, we think.." doesn't have the same play.

Funny, I read it as clearly

Funny, I read it as clearly a reason they are moving south. He did say it.

Sanchez had a dumb statement too

In that snippet of transcript, Sanchez said the Democratic party was starting to stay in the northeast. Well gee, maybe someday Democrats will be competitive on the West coast! Maybe we'll even have a Democratic president from a midwestern state like, to pick one at random, Illinois? http://www.ravensblog.net

He did say "forced unionization"

Well, DeMint did indeed say "I think you see heavy unionization and forced unionization in Pennsylvania and Michigan, these other states." And apparently Sanchez let that stand and did not see fit to ask DeMint what the hell "forced unionization" he was talking about. As far as I can tell DeMint is talking about a nonexistent migration of people from the "north" to the "south", which is (at least in part) to escape nonexistent "forced unionization". As far as I can tell, DeMint is a deliberate liar and a fraud, and as usual, the corporate-owned media let him get away with it.

Gee just like the old days with the blacks going to Chicago

and Detroit to escape the economic and civil rights repression of the South only it's whites going South....have I got it right?

I think you see heavy

I think you see heavy unionization and forced unionization in Pennsylvania and Michigan, these other states. And obviously they're very much for the Democrat big-government approach. But we see that falling apart with American auto companies. We see it falling apart all across the country. Absolutely, which is why if you look at the laissez-faire paradise that is South Carolina, you can immediately see how we're flourishing in contrast to those northern states.... oh, wait.

There is an easy way to

There is an easy way to determine who is right. How much did Massachusetts and Rhode Island grow the last few years? What about Michigan? Now how does that compare to southern states like North Carolina, Florida and Texas? I suspect anyone could do a quick search and find that the population of the latter are growing much more quickly than the former: http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/03/26/new-census-data-... That doesn't mean the shift is due to 'forced unionization' but it might speak to a better business climate in the south.

Kevin leaves open the door

Kevin leaves open the door to a little truthiness with his hedge that there's no "serious" migration, but it's simply a fact that Norther states by and large are losing residents, while southern states are gaining them overall. Now, the population in those states may still be increasing do to foreign immigration and new births, but current residents are nevertheless leaving. I'm not sure why liberals have such a blind spot to this. Maybe they just don't want to believe it. http://pewsocialtrends.org/maps/migration/ Those are 2007's numbers. Click on that link and then click states. Where are all the gray states? Hmmm... looks like heavy unionization states, heavy government states, or both (Louisiana and Miss. get a pass because of Katrina).

So if ...

So if all the Republicans are moving south, and all the liberals are moving north .. will this separation of political populations cause the Nation to split? Didn't we try this a few years back already?

The tent of freedom was the part I liked

I thought it was great when Sanchez called him out on this bit of doubletalk when Sanchez asked about the Republicans shrinking to extremes: DEMINT: Oh, that's quite the opposite. We're seeing across the country right now that the biggest tent of all is the tent of freedom. And what we need to do as Republicans is convince Americans that freedom can work in all areas of their life, for every American, whether it's education, or health care, or creating jobs. SANCHEZ: What -- what -- what the hell does that mean? (CROSSTALK) SANCHEZ: I mean, the biggest tent is freedom? Freedom? You have got to give -- you have got to do better than that. (CROSSTALK) DEMINT: No, what it means is, what has worked in America are free people, free markets for years.

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