Healthcare in Holland
So what does Russell Shorto think of Dutch healthcare after spending 18 months in Amsterdam?
My nonscientific analysis — culled from my own experience and that of other expats whom I’ve badgered — translates into a clear endorsement. My friend Colin Campbell, an American writer, has been in the Netherlands for four years with his wife and their two children. “Over the course of four years, four human beings end up going to a lot of different doctors,” he said. “The amazing thing is that virtually every experience has been more pleasant than in the U.S. There you have the bureaucracy, the endless forms, the fear of malpractice suits. Here you just go in and see your doctor. It shows that it doesn’t have to be complicated. I wish every single U.S. congressman could come to Amsterdam and live here for a while and see what happens medically.”
Amen to that. But there's also this:
One downside of a collectivist society, of which the Dutch themselves complain, is that people tend to become slaves to consensus and conformity. I asked a management consultant and a longtime American expat, Buford Alexander, former director of McKinsey & Company in the Netherlands, for his thoughts on this. “If you tell a Dutch person you’re going to raise his taxes by 500 euros and that it will go to help the poor, he’ll say O.K.,” he said. “But if you say he’s going to get a 500-euro tax cut, with the idea that he will give it to the poor, he won’t do it. The Dutch don’t do such things on their own. They believe they should be handled by the system. To an American, that’s a lack of individual initiative.”
I actually ran into that once myself. Back in my marketing days, I was once in charge of a product launch that, among other things, included a contest for the salesperson who sold the greatest amount of our new gift to the high-tech world. Pretty standard stuff. So I went on the road for a couple of weeks presenting the new product to our distributors in the U.S. and Europe, and everything went basically as expected until I got to the Netherlands. They didn't like the contest. Why? Because it singled out a single individual who did especially well, and this was unfair since sales was a team effort. They wanted a contest that rewarded whichever group sold the most stuff. And they were pretty serious about this. They really, really didn't like the idea of a single person being held up as an individual success.
I've always remembered this as a good example of how ingrained our own cultural predilictions are. At the time this happened I'd been dealing with European distributors and resellers for over a decade, so I was already pretty familiar with the various cultural differences in how sales teams worked. But this one came out of nowhere. It never occurred to me for even a second that anyone would object to a sales contest. Why, it's as American as apple pie! Which, it turned out, was exactly true.
On the other hand, no one else had a problem with it. Only the Dutch. And it still strikes me as an odd attitude. But they run a pretty nice country over there, so I guess it works pretty well for them.
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Spare us the BS about rugged American individualism
But if you say he’s going to get a 500-euro tax cut, with the idea that he will give it to the poor, he won’t do it.Oh, and an American will? Yeah, right. He'll buy a big-screen TV with it. The US isn't exactly a hotbed of independent thinking, either. Millions of Americans are proud to be "dittoheads".
Coffee's for closers.
"They didn't like the
I think the Dutch view is
tall poppy syndrome
Your example is interesting
The Dutch seem smart
Speak for yourself.
Enthusiasts for that have
Enthusiasts for that have always struck me as the dumber swath of America: sales, sports, high finance, (mostly male), whateverAnd didja ever notice how most of them refer to themselves as "team players" while they're throwing elbows to get to the top of the heap?
I think the American midwest is like this...
That may very well be
Team or Individual
Jante Law
Chauvinism
@ Sigmund, I also believe a
Yeah, right. The Dutch guy
The nail that stands up must
Pie
It's difficult to make apple
It's difficult to make apple pie without apples. They aren't native to the Americas:
In the English colonies the apple pie had to wait for carefully planted pips, brought in barrels across the Atlantic, to become fruit-bearing apple trees, to be selected for their cooking qualities, as apples do not come true from seeds. In the meantime, the colonists were more likely to make their pies, or "pasties", of meat rather than of fruit; and the main use for apples, once they were available, was in cider. But there are American apple-pie recipes, both manuscript and printed, from the eighteenth century, and it has since become a very popular dessert.
I live in Holland, they are
I live in Holland, they are collectively scared. Nothing to do with enlightment, just fear of succes, of standing out, of being alone. If someone excells, this one isn't being respected but bullied.
They are like ants, afraid that their anthill collapses.
That would work fine, if not some of us, like me, is feeling encaged, not able to follow my own life and divine path but stuck to people I don't know. That we built another anthill without competing them, doesn't comes to their minds. With our health system, we deliver our care very soon to strangers, nobody cares for another, we pay others to do that.
We live collectively in a lie, thinking we can achieve safety, buy health but our raw nature lurks within. Only one extremist need to adress them and our misguided and denied emotions will blow up in our face.
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