TV Talk
Two pieces of TV news today. First, Alex Tabarrok is puzzled by the bizarrely high price of HDMI cables for Blu-Ray players:
Why don't any stores stock cheap HDMI cable? I knew cables were a ripoff yet I could not find reasonably priced cables at Best Buy, Radio Shack, Target or even Wal-Mart. Ordinarily, we would expect competition to push prices down but in this case it seem as if the mere existence of Monster is anchoring high prices everywhere but online.
My best guess is that this is an unusually strong version of the hidden fee model of Laibson and Gabaix. In that model, firms overprice one aspect of service — such as a hotel charging exorbitant rates for telephone service — as an idiot tax. Crucially, the idiot tax is matched by an IQ-subsidy; the price of the hotel room is lower than it would be without the idiot tax — so the idiots
don't know to shop elsewhere and the high-IQ types are, in fact, drawn to stores with an idiot tax. Thus, buy your blu-ray player at places such as Best Buy which sell a lot of expensive cable as well as massively overpriced extended warranties.
Maybe so. Another possibility is path dependence: back when I managed a Radio Shack store (about 30 years ago), 10% of my store's sales came from stuff like cables and electronic parts. However, they accounted for upwards of 50% of the store's profits because the margins were fantastically high. We got away with this because the absolute prices were so low: people will shop around for the best price on a stereo or a computer, but they just don't care about saving a few dollars on stuff like cables and batteries. The same thing is true for USB cables, which are bizarrely overpriced in places like Office Max or Staples, or high-tech razor blades at your local supermarket. My guess is that even now, when the price of things like cables and razor blades is high enough to make it worth shopping around, inertia keeps everyone thinking that this stuff is basically cheap and not worth hassling over.
But I admit that the lack of competition is still surprising. For a few stores to overcharge is understandable. Maybe even for most stores. But all of them? Last year I made the rounds of every retail store in the area after I got annoyed at the price of a simple Cat-5 network cable, and there wasn't a single place that sold them for a reasonable price. Not one. It was almost like there was a cartel or something. (And the cartel worked! I didn't feel like waiting the few days it would take to order online, so I went ahead and bought an expensive one. Their fiendish strategy turned out to be remarkably effective.)
And the second piece of TV news? Something that's close to my heart: broadcasters have promised Congress that by September they will have standards in place that prevent commercials from being wildly louder than the TV programs they're embedded in. Hooray! It's only taken them 40 years to finally address this. "We get it," an industry flack told Congress about loud ad complaints. "As a matter of pure economics, we do not want to lose viewers."
The bad news, however, is that the industry's sweet talk has convinced Congress to halt work on legislation to force broadcasters to address this. Too bad. Like the Do Not Call list, this is one of those things where ideology plays no role for me. I don't care if this is liberal, conservative, libertarian, or anything else. I just want it to stop, and I don't care a whit whether or not it's a justified interference in the free market. JUST MAKE IT STOP!
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While bricks-and-mortar stores are in on the insane cable pricing, teh intarwebs are not:
http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp
low price HDMI cables
You can find them on the web for under ten bucks. Just Google HDMI cables and you'll find several (which is what I did)
Market failure & differential sound levels
Now come on Kevin, your're not saying that there is an area where the market is not working perfectly, are you?
And out of curiosity: I could potentially see diehard libertarians argue in favor of the annoying differential in sound level between films and commercials, but what would be the pro or con arguments from liberals and conservatives?
like the puppy promising he won't eat the ice cream
What is the point of listening to an industry group on a subject like this?
TV commercials may get fractionally quieter for a year, and then they'll start creeping back up again when they figure no one will notice because things have moved on.
Isn't this the pattern every time some kind of regulation about anything at all is proposed?
It's like the puppy promising he won't eat the ice cream.
Why even pretend?
(the Captcha reads 'Washington vicious')
Razor blades
So where do you buy razors?
Agree on monoprice
I've gotten all my HDMI cables (in various configurations) from monoprice.com or picking them up when they're featured on woot.
They're expensive -- because they can. They're something new, so the consumer probably doesn't have any around the house from something else, and when the person discovers he needs them is when he's buying an expensive new HDTV, so they can sell overpriced cables along with the overpriced extended warranty.
In a couple of years, we'll see them in the 99-Cents Only stores.
Commercial volume
Measure audio volume is tricky because advertisers often /don't/ simply increase the amplitude of their audio tracks. Instead they use something called an Aural Exciter (I swear I'm not making that up), which induces distortion in the higher frequencies of the signal.
Measured using a traditional amplitude meter the signal appears to be of similar volume, but the human ear is vastly more sensitive to it. You also hear the same technology used for radio station identification ("You're listening to WXRQ, the home of the Mike and Dan in the morning!").
Damn, there goes my idea for
Damn, there goes my idea for using the commercial volume increase as a signal to software devices.
Lil' shaver
Bic single blade disposables run me about three bucks for a dozen at the local discount grocer. Who needs five blades, baby?
Suave instead of Paul Mitchell. Folgers at home instead of Starbucks. You get the drill.
As for your fancy wires. Do you really have to have that cable right now instead of waiting for an online shipment? Be patient just like Mom used to say. After all, she waited nine months for you.
Cable provider…provides…HDMI cable
When I had a DVR installed, the cable company hooked it up and provided the HDMI cable, and even left a second one because I asked. And when I canceled service and gave back the DVR, they never asked for the cables back, just the box and the remote. I guess they make up their (presumably wholesale) cost of the HDMI cables in your monthly charges.
Not so wise shopper
I checked out Consumer Reports for the best value on an HDTV. I used mysimon.com to find the best online price and spent the $$$ on the TV. The day it arrived, it did not have an HDMI Cable.
So I drove to BestBuy. Paid way way too much for the cable. But I was left with 2 choices. Go home and look at a new TV sitting there, unconnected, or suck it up and enjoy my major purchase for the year RIGHT NOW.
A few days later, I bought a cheap HDMI cable online so I have an extra one.
JUST MAKE IT STOP!
JUST MAKE IT STOP!
And get off my lawn!
I agree though; it is annoying. I bought an expensive HD TV that has the ability to automatically stop that shit and even out the sound, but I use surround sound through a home theater system and not the TV sound so I'm S-O-L.
And your CAPTCHA system is ridiculous. I had to type out "$10,367,013,562 hazen"!
It's insane
I haven't had occasion to buy an HDMI cable yet, but the component video cable I bought for our DVD player was insanely priced -- with gold-plated connectors, and filled with some inert gas, I forget which one. And why do I need this high-grade cable? I'm in my living room watching TV, I'm not tracking the space shuttle or incoming missiles or anything.
It's easy to say "buy online" but the retailers count on people like me being willing to pay the extra, rather than order the cables cheaper online and wait a few days.
HDMI Cables
You can get HDMI and similar cables pretty cheap -- $13 for a 6' cable -- at Big Lots! and similar discount stores. I suspect the key is to find a discount store that doesn't sell TV sets.
cables
6', gold plated ends, $6:
http://iguanamicro.com/dviandhdca.html
a little guy, across the street from intel in hillsboro, very nice prices.
Idiots abound?
First off the sound level on commercials was solved many years ago and it is called the mute button! Sound goes up, commercial, hit mute wait until your show reappears. There was actually a VCR that used sound levels to blank commercials 25 years ago but I guess people were to cheap to make this a success.
As for the the HDMI cable thing you have a couple of things going on. You paid too much for your new TV with HD, but of course you don't know the actual manufacturing cost. Then because the resolution is so high you can't watch DVDs on that large a screen so you need BlueRay(the HD winner). You purchase the BlueRay player and again have no idea how much it costs to manufacture. Then you get to a cable which is something most people can feel technically comfortable assigning a price to. Wow am I getting ripped off! What about the over priced pieces of plastic that you put in the BlueRay player? Way better margins than your cables.
Whine, whine, whine is all these gadget happy folks do. Quit buying every new gadget that comes out and enjoy what you own for a while. If you check the tear downs of Apple products you are getting reamed but nobody complains about that.
Oh and I'm a Silicon Valley engineer who enjoys laughing at these folks. No Luddite here, just someone that isn't hyped into a purchase.
How about $2.95?
-- For a 10 foot HDMI cable, as listed in the Friday morning Fry's Electronics ad yesterday. And you even have Fry's down in the in the OC...
Cable markup is nuts
I needed a 15' HDMI to DVI-D cable a few years ago for a projector. I checked Best Buy and Circuit City and found one for $179. I called my brother who was in the AV industry at the time. His cost, including shipping, for a 16' HDMI to DVI-D cable: $17.
Then there's Monster's $150 6' speaker wire, and my all time favorite: Denon's 5' ethernet cable, for a perfectly reasonable $500.. http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp
Short HDMI is bad enough -- try finding long ones.
We just reworked our projector-based home theatre, finally moving the components to the front under the screen and getting an HDMI cable to run from the amp to the projector. But, of course, having those two parts at opposite ends of the room meant we needed a 10m HDMI cable. You think the short ones are overpriced? We weren't ready to pay more for a cable than we paid for our PS3 *and* our PVR put together.
In the end, we bought an HDMI-to-Cat-6 converter and two 10m lengths of Cat-6. It was still pretty pricy, but less than half what the HDMI cable alone would have cost.
So, two Cat-6 cables, totalling $30, can carry the bandwidth necessary for the HDMI cable, costing around 20x as much.
And this is before you get into the audiophile-scam type cables!
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don't know to shop elsewhere and the high-IQ types are, in fact, drawn to stores with an idiot tax. Thus, buy your blu-ray player at places such as Best Buy which sell a lot of expensive cable as well as massively overpriced extended warranties.



