Gog, Magog, and George Bush
| Thu Aug. 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT
I may regret posting this, but here's an account of how George Bush tried to talk French president Jacques Chirac into supporting the invasion of Iraq:
Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their “common faith” (Christianity) and told him: “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East.... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins.”
This bizarre episode occurred while the White House was assembling its “coalition of the willing” to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush’s call and “wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs.”
After the 2003 call, the puzzled French leader didn’t comply with Bush’s request. Instead, his staff asked Thomas Romer, a theologian at the University of Lausanne, to analyze the weird appeal.
....In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush’s strange behavior in Lausanne University’s review, Allez Savoir....Subsequently, ex-President Chirac confirmed the nutty event in a long interview with French journalist Jean-Claude Maurice, who tells the tale in his new book, Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai (If You Repeat it, I Will Deny), released in March by the publisher Plon.
This isn't brand new: the Toronto Star wrote about it a couple of months ago, though it's gotten very little attention since. In any case, consider it your weirdness of the day. Not that we've exactly been lacking for that lately.....
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feelin left behind
Submitted by J. Frank Parnell on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 2:22 PM PDT.
When it comes to the justifications for Bush foreign policies, I definitely feel left behind.
good gog, it's the Magog Brothers
Submitted by tpx on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 2:37 PM PDT.
It is difficult to understand how the president thought some carpet remnant sellers, the Magog Brothers, needed to be confronted by his god.
Ba'al's is good too
Submitted by g. powell on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT.
I actually find the prices to be much better at Ba'al's around the corner. Better selection too.
Thanks
Submitted by hw (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 2:43 PM PDT.
Thanks for reporting on this: I'd heard about this a couple of months ago when it first surfaced, but it seemed so bizarre that I couldn't accept it without further confirmation. I'd really like to see a follow-up on this story. I mean, I was aware that Bush was a sincere born again type, but I didn't think he was actually letting biblical prophecy guide his foreign policy, and that he thought that this prophecy would be convincing evidence when asking for other leaders' support.
Could Chirac be lying? But why would he make up such an odd story? More coverage, please!
Read the book: “Si Vous le
Submitted by tpx on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 4:44 PM PDT.
Read the book: “Si Vous le Répétez, Je Démentirai – Chirac Sarkozy Villepin” (If You Repeat It, I’ll Deny) which was published by journalist Jean-Claude Maurice in March 2009.
Clearly Bush is a religious
Submitted by thersites on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 2:52 PM PDT.
Clearly Bush is a religious fanatic who could not be trusted to make important decisions. We're so fortunate that he had smart guys like Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld to give wise counsel.
The End Is Near
Submitted by JohnH on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 3:05 PM PDT.
He sounds an awful lot like the proverbial nutcase walking the streets with a signboard that the end is near. Indeed, in a reasonable country he'd have been just that, instead of president. And to think that in 2000 the press treated him as a perfectly reasonable, moderate person, although he and his cronies seem to have had no compassion all along for anyone but themselves, while Gore was the heartless, stiff, out-of-touch wonk and liar.
Remember, Bush had
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 3:09 PM PDT.
Remember, Bush had previously made similar claims about being on a mission from God:
How soon we forget
Submitted by PhilPalmer (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 3:19 PM PDT.
This craziness was well known while Bush was still in office, but still no-one impeached him.
Wacky W
Submitted by Tilli (Mojave Desert) (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 3:57 PM PDT.
I dunno.
I'm a little skeptical about this. He was a nut, no doubt, but wouldn't he have done more public babbling?
"Remember, Bush had
Submitted by mark robbins (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 4:30 PM PDT.
"Remember, Bush had previously made similar claims about being on a mission from God:"
True. But most reasonable people who believe in God will admit that he doesn't let you in on the tactical stuff.
This is of a whole different much more disturbing order. Alluding to a mission from God is understandable given the ego someone needs even to think seriously about running for President. When that mission involves the killing and torture of thousands of innocent people, we can reasonably infer a malady more nefarious than a really big ego.
Curious
Submitted by tyronen (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 5:19 PM PDT.
The funny thing is that Bush's interpretation doesn't even make sense by the standards of biblical literalists.
The Gog and Magog story (actually, "Gog, king of Magog") clearly referred to an invader from the north attacking Israel. Exactly who this was is a matter of debate even for mainstream scholars - Judah's main enemy at the time, Babylonia, was located to the east, and there was no powerful northern kingdom.
Fundamentalists believed that the Gog and Magog verses referred to a future invasion of Israel by the Soviet Union. After the end of communism, Russia was labelled as the culprit. Bush, however, seems to have invented his own brand of eschatological thought and gone east rather than north.
follow up on CDS vs. BDS?
Submitted by EB (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 6:32 PM PDT.
Is this a follow-up on the comparison of Clinton and Bush Derangement Syndromes, to demonstrate the craziness of Bush haters?
EB, one difference between
Submitted by Bruce the Canuck (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 7:50 PM PDT.
EB, one difference between CDS and BDS, was that the remainder of the western world absolutely loathed Bush. Not so much because he was conservative, but more because he was clearly an idiot and shook our confidence in keeping the USA in the role of de-facto leading western country.
For example, when bush was elected a *second time* (!!@!#$!#??), and some americans talked (mostly) about emigrating, I know of several Canadians who decided america had lost it, and actually obtained EU passports, just in case Canada wasn't far enough away.
Clinton, on the other hand - outside of the USA he practically walks on water and always has, and we never understood the whole witchhunt over the intern. In most countries, the media don't even cover that stuff. Politicians have mistresses,and when pressed will lie about it, and, uhm, so? It's just not news. Often nobody even knows who their wives are.
Western Europe with major case of BDS
Submitted by EB (not verified) on Fri Aug. 7, 2009 3:32 PM PDT.
Bruce,
I am not sure about Canada, but I work with many Europeans, and I've travelled in Europe during Bush presidency, and Europeans have a major whopping case of BDS. Western Europeans mostly, Central and Eastern Europeans are more reasonable, except for Russians, of course. But I also found that Western Europeans hate Bush for some of the same reasons they detest America in general, which is also why they like apologetic US presidents like Clinton and Obama.
I do completely agree with you about the idiocy of Lewinsky scandal. The one good thing that came out of it is that Republicans are now falling on their own sword, so to speak, with this infidelity business. How many promising politicians have they now lost to sex scandals? Maybe they'll learn something from this, eventually.
SCANDALS!
Submitted by DM (not verified) on Thu Aug. 6, 2009 11:35 PM PDT.
GEORGE W. BUSH LIED, AND THOUSANDS DIED.
BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY.
BUSH IS A DISGRACE TO THE UNITED STATES.
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SCANDALS! SCANDALS! SCANDALS!
DANGER! DANGER! DANGER!
GEORGE W. BUSH IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CRIMINAL STALKER AND SERIAL KILLER!
“In her suit, Margie Schoedinger states that George W. Bush committed sexual crimes against her, organized harassment and moral pressure on her, her family members and close relatives and friends. As Schoedinger said, she was strongly recommended to keep her mouth shut. . . . Furthermore, she alleges that George Bush ordered to show pressure on her to the point, when she commits suicide” (go to Google, type “blog of drizzten Margie Schoedinger,” and hit “Enter”).
“George [Bush is personally complicit] in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of . . . George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell—Nevada Progressive Democratic Candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010).
McConnell is correct: Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death.
Bush’s method of murdering Schoedinger cannot exist in a vacuum: he must have murdered other people in the same way.
During Bush’s presidency, of course Bush would have desired to kill people whom he hated or get them out of his way. Insofar as Bush was clearly capable of murdering Schoedinger—even in “broad daylight”—and is clearly capable of getting away with it, in consideration of common sense and the laws of human nature, Bush of course murdered numerous people in the disgusting way he murdered Schoedinger. One can examine public information; in various situations where people who sought to oppose or disadvantage Bush ever so frighteningly ended up “committing suicide”—specifically—Bush murdered them just like he murdered Schoedinger. For example, Bush murdered James Howard Hatfield by continuously criminally stalking Hatfield to the point that Hatfield could not get away from it—purposefully to force Hatfield to commit suicide—and Hatfield committed suicide in desperation to escape. However, the vast majority of such scandalous cases will never come out (the grisly details are typically hard to substantiate). A prosecutor really can lawfully charge a former president with murdering one or more people in the disgusting way Bush murdered Schoedinger. The American people unfortunately live in a world where evil presidents can murder any number of people—figuratively—with a wave of a magic wand and get away with it.
(There are thousands of copies of the information above on the Internet. Please feel free to go to any major search engine, type “GEORGE W. BUSH IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS CRIMINAL STALKER AND SERIAL KILLER” or “George W. Bush continuously criminally stalked Margie Schoedinger to the point that she could not get away from it, and she committed suicide in desperation to escape: he murdered her” or “George W. Bush applying pressure (continuously criminally stalking Margie Schoedinger) purposefully to force Schoedinger to commit suicide does in fact constitute murder where it culminated in her death” or “George W. Bush murdered James Howard Hatfield by continuously criminally stalking Hatfield to the point that Hatfield could not get away from it—purposefully to force Hatfield to commit suicide—and Hatfield committed suicide in desperation to escape,” hit “Enter,” and readily find hundreds of copies.)
(Please feel free to go to Google, type “GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY blog of Andrew Wang,” and hit “Enter.”)
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Andrew Wang
(a.k.a. “THE DISSEMINATING MACHINE”)
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
Par for the course
Submitted by Michael Mechanic on Fri Aug. 7, 2009 8:18 AM PDT.
The only thing that surprised me is that he actually shared these sentiments with Chirac.
Have you all seen this report about the biblical cover sheets of Pentagon intelligence briefings? Which got a lot less MSM play than I would have expected:
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217
Michael Mechanic is a senior editor at Mother Jones.
Emperor's New CLothes syndrome, perhaps?
Submitted by Fnordius on Mon Aug. 10, 2009 5:54 AM PDT.
I think part of the reason such things never get much play is that they make the media look like rubes who fell for a charlatan. This shame means they try to avoid anything that might make them look bad as well.
As for why Bush might have said that, perhaps it was a classic case of miscalculating Chirac: in his world, Chirac was a conservative politician in a country that is heavily Catholic, so Bush might have thought he could appeal to Chirac with a biblical allusion. ("Those Catholics eat that shit up!"). But yeah, Bush is an enigma.
who gives a crap how bush
Submitted by ahmad (not verified) on Sun Aug. 9, 2009 3:53 PM PDT.
who gives a crap how bush and other western powers view the middle east? the fact has been and shall remain, that they shall not be able to dominate the middle east. they will only cause bloodshed but will not achieve their aims. the whole of the middle east rejects them and their zionist cronies.
Gog is old spell of George.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed Sep. 16, 2009 1:51 AM PDT.
Gog is old spell of George. Gog Washington, Gog Bush, are free Mason. Georgia is their motherland. Nowadays, most of Gog are spreading Zionism, they are fake Jew. The real Jews are ortodox, most of them are peaceful and some of them become Muslim.
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