The New Obstruction
Matt Yglesias writes about the routine use of the filibuster and other delaying tactics in Congress:
It’s worth emphasizing how one-sided efficacious minority party obstruction has been. The Bush administration wasn’t able to get its agenda through congress unscathed, but fundamentally they did achieved their main goals in terms of tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, substantially altering Medicare in 2003, and of course securing support for the invasion of Iraq and 2002.
In fact, it's worth emphasizing this even more. Republicans gained significant levels of Democratic support for No Child Left Behind, the 2001 tax cut, the post-9/11 war resolution, Sarbanes-Oxley, McCain-Feingold, the Iraq war resolution, the 2003 tax cut, the Medicare prescription drug bill, and the bankruptcy bill. That's a lot of bipartisan support
But what about Social Security, you ask. That was certainly a full court press by the D team. And yes it was. But by the time the summer of 2005 was over, it didn't have much Republican support either.
In any case, the point isn't that full-blown unanimous obstruction is something new under the sun. There will always be issues here and there that are so central to a party's governing ideology that there's really no room for compromise. The point is that Dems, for better or worse, never tried to make every single bill a destruction test of the opposing party's governance. Republicans are doing exactly that, and that is something new under the sun. Unfortunately, as Matt says, it may be a shrewd calculation on their part: if you make the government look incapable of accomplishing anything at any time, and if the media generally treats this as politics as usual, it's the party in power that suffers the most regardless of who's been throwing the pies around. So why not throw pies at every opportunity?
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Orrrrrrrrr.... maybe
Orrrrrrrrr.... maybe Republican legislation was more popular than the garbage the Democratic leadership continually tries to ran down everyone's throat. An unpopular government takeover of healthcare, a trillion dollars of taxpayer money in "stimulus" that no one asked for (some spent in non-existent Congressional districts), cap and tax (let's raise energy prices during a catastrophic recession!!). I hope and pray the Republicans filibuster every single last piece of this nonsense.
Liberals like Kevin crack me up. They never fault their own policies. It's always someone else screwing them. Meanie Republicans, corporate fat cats, the media being on the side of Republicans (!!), you name it. Always someone out there screwing it for the great and glorious progressive revolution that the American people are demanding.
The GOP panders
Although I disagree with the sentiment, I think Another Brad is on to something.
The medicare reform bill was an unfunded entitlement, may have been irresponsible, but certainly popular with ill-informed voters. The Iraqi War Resolution was widely supported at time, but the public who loved it soured on it when they discovered that Americans also die during conflict. Bush's immigration reform bill, on the other hand, was probably the best legislation that he proposed, but that's too complicated an issue to get public support, so it died.
We all knew healthcare would be a very tough sell when it came down to the details. Stimulus faced a tough time because it's anti-intuitive: more govt debt is needed to solve a problem created by too much private debt.
Obama decided to take on some tough issues. I don't think the obstruction is so much a strategic end in itself as much as it's a result that serious policy making deals with constraints, and that's not popular with Americans.
Of course! Every one of the
Of course! Every one of the Democratic supported Bush measures was about as far from traditional "Republican" thinking as you can get. They were, as you say, massive unfunded entitlement programs that could have well been put forth by any liberal regime of the last 60 years.
Which just goes to show you how ridiculous all of the party posturing is, by both sides.
You can argue that Social
You can argue that Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare were underfunded, but they certainly weren't unfunded. The GOP panders more than the Dems.
@#$%&! liar
Even the Vietnam Occupation was funded with a surtax.
I guess it depends on your
I guess it depends on your point of view, but I would say that in general, No Child Left Behind, Sarbanes Oxley, Iraq war resolution, Medicare prescription drub bill were all bad bills, even if there were good intentions behind them. I'm not sure it helps to say some Democrats were willing to support bad legislation. It helps even less when the bills they were supporting had a leftist flavor to them, since they generally involved more regulation, increasing the power of the federal gov't, and excessive spending.
It is pretty damning to point out that Republicans are all to happy to enact unfunded, poorly thought out legislation that wrecks the budget when they're in control. But it's a plus, not a negative, that moderate republican's are for the most part avoiding voting for something that, at least from their point of view, generally hurts the country and their constituents.
summary
A huge percentage of Dems are pathetic, self-centered pussies.
Never, ever another dime from me.
Actually the 2003 tax cut
Actually the 2003 tax cut was passed using Reconciliation. And Medicare Part D was passed on a 50-50 Senate vote with Cheney casting the tie-breaking vote, with no Democrats voting for it.
Democrats support for No
Democrats support for No Child Left Behind, the 2001 tax cut, the post-9/11 war resolution,the Iraq war resolution, the 2003 tax cut, the Medicare prescription drug bill, and the bankruptcy bill certainly makes them appear to be Republicans. While many Democrats are in fact Republicans, very few Republicans are Democrats. Relying upon and supporting Democrats produces such dismal results because they have no intention of doing anything in the best interests of the commonweal unless those interests reward them as well as Republican interests, and a reason why Republican obstruction is so effective. Until real liberals, instead of corporate whores, are elected to Congress, the well being of the nation will continue to decline.
Why do you insist on being a
Why do you insist on being a tool of the democratic party? Why don't you open your eyes and figure out what is going on? The political party's are the same; get it? They are only interested in their own power and couldn't give a damn about any of the crap you mention.
You're a tool TPX. They love you! They got you fighting their little war between Party's like a foot soldier. What is scary is that you actually believe this shit.
yeah, I actually beleive this shit
"many Democrats are in fact Republicans"
"relying upon and supporting Democrats produces such dismal results because they have no intention of doing anything in the best interests of the commonweal"
"until real liberals, instead of corporate [Democratic] whores, are elected to Congress, the well being of the nation will continue to decline"
Your reading skills must have been developed after the bipartisan No Child Left Behind legislation was passed. But it is true Democrats do not give a damn about anything I mention.
Improve on my Democratic bashing, and you may receive a 'recommend this' on your post.
"So why not throw pies at
"So why not throw pies at every opportunity?"
Because eventually this leads to a perpetual food fight. This is the real problem, and I'm not the first to say it. You either have a government that's fundamentally concerned with governing, or a government that's fundamentally concerned with winning. The two don't reconcile.
"Unfortunately, as Matt
"Unfortunately, as Matt says, it may be a shrewd calculation on their part"
I don't think this is the correct way to look at this, and I think this is a much scarier phenomenon.
Political scientists and philosophers distinguish between normal politics, where it is understood by everyone involved that they all have to live within the system for the rest of their lives, and revolutionary politics, where a sort of millennial/messianic dream infects some, who imagine that a new world is being born and who cares about what happens as the old world is destroyed --- tomorrow will be completely different and the ocean will be made of lemonade.
Everything I see about the current GOP suggests to me that it is the messianic true believers who are in charge. Oh sure, there are some professional politicians who think they still run the show, but I suspect, even they, in their heart of hearts, realize the train has lost its breaks and is headed where it is headed.
As for the revolution these millennial types have in mind, what is it? Well, it's every bit as insane and incoherent as what you'd expect from the Jacobins or the Bolsheviks, even more so.
You have your religious nuts who seems to imagine that starting a nuclear war in the middle east will bring jesus back.
Your have your libertarian types who seem to imagine that it is the drowning of the federal government, not the dictatorship of the proletariat, that will usher in Marx's withering away of the state.
You have your black helicopter types who seem to wish for some combination of Hitler's Madagascar program (ship all the darkies back to where they came from) and a return to isolationism (presumably based on using american natural gas for electricity and american coal to gasoline for fuel).
Optimists seem to think incoherent and incompatible programs don't pose a threat. This strikes me as foolish. Wreckers can do an AWFUL lot of damage along the way (witness the last 9 years); and there seems no obvious reason why a charismatic politician cannot arise able to harness all this stupidity and anger into words that seem acceptable to all these factions. The WHOLE POINT, the WHOLE DANGER of revolutionaries is that they don't care about the consequences of their actions because they don't have to live with them --- tomorrow is COMPLETELY different from today. Doesn't that describe the current GOP? Who cares about future debt? Who cares about future infrastructure? Who cares about future education? Who cares if every other country in the world hates America? Who cares about the power of the president or the rule of law?
Why not an American Hitler or American Lenin? You think the constitution will stop them? How well did the constitution work to stop the behavior of the Bush years? Five justices said yes in Bush v Gore, and they may well say yes to whatever the Huckabee administration feels like doing.
"Who cares about future
"Who cares about future debt?"
"Who cares about the power of the president or the rule of law?"
This whole post is pretty much ridiculous, but I thought these statements were the funniest. As bad as Republicans have been on these two issues in the last decade, these issues shouldn't really be Democrat talking points.
"Wreckers can do an AWFUL lot of damage along the way (witness the last 9 years.)"
Yes, those wreckers did a lot of damage because they cared more for the fate of Saudi Arabia than for the country they were sworn to serve.
Iraq posed a threat to whom? Saudi Arabian oil dominance, not US security.
Been the same since 1927, when Standard Oil (Exxon) set US policy in the Middle East.
Seen any oil come out of the place since we, "liberated," it?
I thought not.
The problem with the upper crust is too many crumbs.
Leave it to a liberal to
Leave it to a liberal to compare the bipartisan support of some of the more liberal things that passed during the Bush years to the completely far left agenda of the Obama administration. This is where liberals excel. They forget about the details and abstract the situation. How Kevin could list McCain-Feingold and NCLB both of which had Democratic sponsorship as areas where "...Republicans gained significant levels of Democratic support..." is a mystery to me. Rather they are areas where across the aisle sponsored bills had bipartisan support. Your case falls apart Kevin. Epic fail of an argument.
Show me the Republican sponsors that are on any of the liberal agenda bills. The Republicans are obstructing the liberal agenda put forward by the radically left members of Congress exactly because they are extreme left ideas that against Republican principles which are "..so central to a party's governing ideology that there's really no room for compromise." Maybe Kevin should take off his blinders and realize the truth. The fault of the obstructionist stance of the Republicans lies with the uncompromising far left agenda of this congress which has plummeted in popularity. This administration has lost the independents because it promised a new era of bipartisanship and instead has tried to jam a liberal agenda down the throat of the American people complete with 100 million dollar bribes and late Saturday night votes. Your liberal agenda is unpopular Kevin, It is being rejected. Deal with it.
Har
I'm still waiting for the first remotely left-wing idea from Obama / the Dems.
Funny thing Maynard@9:36 am.
Funny thing Maynard@9:36 am. Your comment more accurately reflects the attitude of the liberals ( e.g. Chris "I felt a tingle up my leg" Matthews ) than anything the Republicans are doing. It is the followers of Obama who are "...the messianic true believers..." Ever heard of the term projection. It fits here.
Chris Matthews != Liberal
brother, please.
And about Obama followers - go visit the great orange satan (daily kos) and read all the diaries critical of Obama.
Didn't this obstructionism
Didn't this obstructionism begin under Clinton - 1st with the tax increase, then health care, and eventually just about everything else? The only difference then was that it wasn't necessary to filibuster everything because the GOP controlled Congress after 1994. But I don't recall any attempt to work with Clinton from the moment he took office.
democratic participation has become almost impossible
The saving of the finance industry from collapse in 2008 was rationalized as saving America's way of life. What the finance industry bailout did was save the corrupt form of corporate controlled government that has led to no wage growth for thirty years and a return to regressive taxation with concomitant social welfare cuts. Saving the finance industry has ensured the destruction of America's high living standards. Had the finance industry been allowed to collapse the pain for everyone would have been acute, but it would also have been immediate, impacting the rich, middle classes and the poor. Such a shock to the entire political economy at least would be democratic in its consequences, and would have forced many voters to consider the consequences of the Supply Side economics that led to the downfall of the world's greatest economy. The bail out saved the wealthy classes, but started a long, yet clandestine decline in everyone else's fortunes. The delaying of a general decline in living standards has helped to maintain the power of the political classes, while an immediate suffering of the consequences of Reaganomics may have led to the needed wholesale changes to America's political economy. Now real political change will be much more difficult to achieve, as the moneyed interests have accumulated so much wealth and power that good governance and democratic participation have become almost impossible.
But Kevin, don't you
But Kevin, don't you understand that:
"No Child Left Behind, the 2001 tax cut, the post-9/11 war resolution, Sarbanes-Oxley, McCain-Feingold, the Iraq war resolution, the 2003 tax cut, the Medicare prescription drug bill, and the bankruptcy bill...."
were ineluctably brilliant Republican/conservative policy-making and therefore OF COURSE garnered Democrat Party support...? In the face of such brilliance, even a few weak-kneed, lily-livered, america-hating, cheese-eating surrender monkeys were BOUND to see the light, dontcha know, wink wink.
"Extremism in the defense of
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice," was the first line of attack on the middle class i remember, ringing all kinds of alarm bells when i realized how that opened the door to the violence then and now. boy nowadays, i suppose that wouldn't cut it at being a sound bite.
From Goldwater on, it's the same old same old, different day. only the words change, not the aim.
Getting Back to the Original Topic, ...
I think the original topic was something about filibusters and how obstruction has increased dramatically now that Republicans are in the minority. The fact is that the use of filibusters on nearly every piece of legislation is a new strategy that flies in the face of tradition. In times past, it was reserved for special occasions, but no longer.
It is time to either mend this tired old undemocratic idea or just get rid of it.
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