Quote of the Day
From Jon Stewart, explaining what it's like to listen to Sarah Palin:
It's just a conservative boiler plate mad lib.
I think that nails it. Yesterday I was thinking about how everything she says sounds like it's just plucked from the tea party talking points of the day, but Stewart comes closer to the truth. They aren't just talking points, they're sort of bizarrely, syntactically mashed up talking points.
I wonder what really goes on inside her head? Lots of politicians have mastered the art of speaking in talking points and never going off message, but mostly they at least try to sound like they know what they're talking about. Palin doesn't. She just spouts the sixth grade version of the talking points with an apparently total unawareness that she sounds like a child.
Virtually every political commenter — even the ones who like her! — concluded after the presidential campaign that she needed to study up on the issues, maybe pick one to make into her signature, and use that to increase her gravitas. But obviously she hasn't. She just doesn't care. Or, perhaps, doesn't think there's any reason she needs to know about issues. I mean, she beat that nerdy issue guy in the Alaska governor's race just by making fun of his book learning, didn't she? Why change a winning game plan?
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> Or, perhaps, [Palin]
> Or, perhaps, [Palin] doesn't think that there's any reason
> she needs to know about issues.
Why should she? She draws adoring crowds and lots of press attention wherever she goes as it is. She's demonstrated conclusively that she has little real interest in governing; for her, it's all about being a celebrity and the center of attention. It's all about style, not substance. Always has been.
Hmm...
Didn't she and the republican party pretty consistently rail on Obama throughout the campaign for being a "celebrity" - how he was nothing more an empty "celebrity"? Hmmm...funny how this all worked out, huh.
Someone once said, "An ounce
Someone once said, "An ounce of image is worth a pound of performance."
Another View
Palin actually sounds as if everything she's learned came from a book called "A Child's Introduction To Politics."
The picture book version!
The picture book version!
Some years ago I worked with
Some years ago I worked with an individual in a managerial position who was attractive, outgoing and well spoken. Initially I assumed she was quite competent, but after about a year and numerous foul ups and fiascos I realized she was seriously out of her depth, and had only the vaguest idea what her job really entailed. She was great at stringing together technical phrases into sentences that sounded okay but in fact where largely devoid of real content. The intriguing thing was that I sensed she had no idea she was incompetent, but just assumed everyone else was winging it just like her. This led to any criticism being immediately rejected as unfair, as she really couldn’t perceive she was acting in anyway different from her more knowledgeable and capable peers. I think about this every time I hear Sarah complain.
Hey, I think I worked with that same person!
Hey, I think I worked with that same person!
Dear god so did I
...except the person was male and a mechanical engineer. Or at least had a degree as such, apparently having faked his way through somehow. But it became apparent he literally had no idea how to do engineering, missing all kinds of basics that even I knew as an English major. Couldn't figure out how you could live with the anxiety of being a total fraud in a job that required all kinds of technical skills. But he really seemed clueless that he was different from anyone else. Actually complained of being underpaid and headed off to another firm, to the relief of all at ours.
Can't figure out people like this, but Palin sure has the earmarks. Not so much malicious as just utterly clueless and ignorant of the fact of their own cluelessness.
Except ...
Except, Sarah Palin never sounded anything remotely like competent from the moment she entered the national stage.
Palin
I believe it's simpler. I believe she's really not very bright.
*****But obviously she
*****But obviously she hasn't. She just doesn't care. Or, perhaps, doesn't think that there's any reason she needs to know about issues.*****
Occam's razor: surely she's not CAPABLE of any degree of in-depth analysis or wonkiness. Palin can't be a complete moron and have made it to the governor's mansion. She no doubt was capable of administering a small community. She no doubt has the small town one-on-one politician's interpersonal skills needed to gin up a group of supporters to propel to her statewide office. She miraculously managed to hold her own with Joe Biden. But she's not even a remotely deep or insightful thinker, nor does she possess anything approaching what is sometimes called a "first-rate mind." She's simply a very ordinary intelligence packaged in a physically attractive shell. Palin is George W. Bush with the body of a well-preserved 40-something woman.
I think you're basically
I think you're basically right, but you're being too kind to her-- she wasn't even capable of administering a small community-- pretty much her first act as mayor of Wasilla was to hire a city manager to take care of all the day-to-day stuff.
Sarah took a small town with
Sarah took a small town with zero debt and turned it into big-box central with millions in debt - thanks to that Sports Complex.
Biden/Palin debate
I don't think she "held her own" with Biden. I think Biden was told to go easy on Palin in the debate. The Dems didn't want to be accused of "piling on" Palin.
I think it was the wrong idea. When she said she wasn't going to necessarily "answer the questions", both Biden and Gwen Ifill should have jumped on her.
You're quite on the money,
You're quite on the money, Jasperr. Sarah Palin is an example of that very dangerous middling sort of intelligence that when combined with personal charisma and raw, feral cunning can have an outcome that Lawrence Peter (of the "Peter Principle") would have seen only in his worst nightmares. She is bound and determined to be promoted far beyond her level of competence, and if handed the reins of power, she will most assuredly use it more stupidly than her more intelligent and cynical supporters ever imagined.
Sarah Palin, again and again
I'm glad somebody brought up the "Peter Principle" in re: Sarah Palin. But she seems to have risen so far above her level of incompetence that I suspect she is being supported from below or pulled up from above. By herself, she would have drifted out to sea long ago but now some other interests want her as their poster child but lipstick on a pig is just that!
Palin and Glenn Beck
Palin and Glenn Beck 2012!
My dream ticket.
What's truly idiotic about
What's truly idiotic about these sorts of comments (see above) is the idea that anyone can derive an accurate picture of someone's "intelligence" by how well they perform on TV. Sarah Palin is photogenic, and since she's a woman that's going to be played up, and to a much greater extent than it would if she were a man. But she's a lousy speaker, because, as Kevin has written many times, she appears to only be capable of skating over the surface of the issues of the day. That speaks to motivation and work ethic, not to intelligence.
George W. Bush committed the quintessential American sin: he looked bad on TV. But the man was, and is, whip-smart in a lot of ways. A lot of the credit that went to Karl Rove for his political acumen properly belonged with W. A great deal of the "intelligence" that we all so wished the man had been able to apply to the issues that faced him as president was either buried under ideology or applied to other things, like interpersonal skills. Read the anecdotes from his younger days. The guy was damned smart, in his own way.
Jon Stewart got George W. Bush's speaking style dead on too. You can find it on YouTube if you look, but Stewart described the ex-pres as "Like an 8-year-old giving a book report who hasn't read the book." Perfect.
Accidental Palin
I would agree with your comment more if Palin's rise to prominence was more out of design rather than accident. But the only reason she is a national figure is that McCain picked her in a desperate Hail Mary move. Otherwise, most of us in the lower-48 would probably have never have heard of her.
And if Palin truly is intelligent, she should be able to capitalize on her good fortune and engineeer a move to the poltical center. But she appears incapable. Consequently, she may as dumb as she looks.
She may have the work ethic and the motivation, but not the intelligence, correct?
Work Ethic?
She couldn't make it through an entire term as Alaska governor (not a demanding position, by all accounts). During the campaign she was apparently an impossible diva.
I don't think her work ethic is one of her strengths.
Peter Sagal
came closest with his description of her speech as a "narration of an acid trip".
Religion may play a role
Religion may play a role too. Where most politicians would consider it a stroke of incredible luck to be in the right place at the right time to be chosen as a VP candidate, Sarah apparently feels it was not a surprise but something God had planned for her all along.
Sarah Palin
Reply to "religion may play a role...": Yes, and let's keep in mind that for Sarah Palin and others like her, religious "truth" usurps appreciation of nuance or need to understand the complexity of issues, since "answers" have already been revealed. Articulate or not (and obviously she's not), Palin's perspectives are unlikely to be open to facts, scientific data, or to counsel from the brightest and most accomplished minds in any particular field of inquiry.
Media personality.
I think she's morphed from a pol to a celeb. She gets her celebritiness from being like she is, not from displaying wonkishness. So if a cute girl/woman says something no so smart, but in a cute childlike way, we react by thinking it is cute. So she has created for herself quite a career as a celeb. In some ways that is pretty impressive.
Now there are a lot of different kinds of skills. Careful rational analysis is only one of them. Even the capability for high end rationality doesn't mean that the brains owner will be disciplined enough to use it. Read an interesting psych paper a few weeks back about this very subject. Interestingly they claims GWB's IQ was 120 (not genious, but well above average). It just wasn't applied towards rational analysis, and learning about the world. It was applied to a sort of political career advancement desire, and he got pretty far on that basis.
I think we would be well served not to conflate smartness (or IQ), with dedication to careful thinking, and careful vetting of information inputs. We put too much emphasis on the former, whereas it is the latter that can help us avoid clever, but disastrous errors.
Palin
Studies show incompetent people overestimate their abilities while underestimating the skills of others. However, Palin has every reason to believe that the GOP will be just fine choosing her to run for the presidency and that many Americans will be just fine voting for her. After all, they elected George Bush who made a virtue of ignorance.
This is the party that has people talking seriously about Carrie Prejean running for office or the lamentable Fred Thompson for president. These are not people who care about competence or ability to govern. They don't care enough about the government to care about ability-only personality. It's about winning and they think charisma and charm matter more than education, intelligence and skill.
Smarts
There are lots of ways to be intelligent, as many of the posters above have said. The problem with Palin is that it doesn't appear she's intelligent in any of the ways one ought to be in order to competently lead the country. Worse, she appears devoid of any type of morality, empathy or desire to effect beneficial change to the general population. She appeals to a group of people who want to elect people no smarter or better than themselves so they don't have to feel inferior to anyone.
talking points
My favorite is "talking points in a blender, with the lid off".
Also, early on several people (I was one) had the idea of using her known transcripts as input to a markov (or hidden markov) model text generator, and the results were ... disturbingly similar. There is still one working, which uses the Katie Couric interview as the model, at www.palinspeak.com.
I think "Dobbs/Prejean for
I think "Dobbs/Prejean for America" has a nice ring to it, doncha think?
There are Palins in
There are Palins in executive positions in companies all over America. Over the past 50 years business schools and the self-help industry have put a lot of effort into teaching people how to improve how they have been perceived, including learning how to puff up your resume and hide your weak spots. It's become quite the science.
The result is, ironically, that results no longer matter -- except in those rare fields like professional sports were results are easily measureable. It's how you position yourself.
Honestly, I've worked with at least a dozen CTOs over the past 10 years and none of them was remotely competent, but every one of them carried himself extremely well. I've worked with companies in which the entire executive staff was people like Sarah Palin -- constantly self-promoting, always interrupting the meeting to offer their pearls of wisdom to impress others, never getting any deeper than a platitude, as in "we have to look out for our customers".
Sarah Palin is America. In a bad way.
It's her utter lack of
It's her utter lack of intellectual curiosity that gets me. I think she knows she doesn't know anything, and I think she's ok with that.
>business schools and the
>business schools and the self-help industry
Funny how they so often wind up mentioned in the same sentence. Even The Economist seems to believe the increase in graduation rate of MBA's is an underlying factor in the last decade's loss of productivity and economic stability.
Ask Dr. Science!
The Journal of Personality and Social Psychology is on top of this issue. Read Kruger and Dunning of Cornell:
www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
"Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments"
Just sour grapes because
Just sour grapes because liberal women look like Madeline Albright.
What's that supposed to mean?
What's that supposed to mean?
Couric
Palin whines and accuses and plays the victim over that softball interview with Couric.
Go back and find an interview Obama did with Bill O'Reilly about the same time. It was fast paced and brutal and really in your face. Obama was incredible - I think even O'Reilly was impressed!
Anyone have time to splice them and post on Youtube? If we are lucky it will go viral.
Palin was wise to leave
Palin was wise to leave politics. She has no patience for either administrative or legislative governance. She thrives on celebrity and adulation. She is an avatar of Aimeee Semple McPherson
G W Bush crashed the glass
G W Bush crashed the glass cieling for idiots as president. All Palin has to do is continue to promise tax cuts as a solution to every economic problem, cling to her bible and spout her provincial world view to be highly electable for POTUS. Never under-estimate the incompetence of the American voter. Palin/Leibermann in 2012. Then we can get down to the serious business of fighting the scouge of socialism that still lingers in western Europe and Canada.
Maybe the Mayan calender is right.
choices
What I see in all the video and interviews with Palin is someone who chose early on in life to pursue the "beauty queen" stereotype for herself, which means that her skill set is built on creating a façade and the ability to charm others.
Vacuous, vain, and ruthless to anyone she sees as an obstruction to her ambition of the week. And if achieving the ambition (as in state governor) turns out to actually involve having to do anything useful on a regular basis, just bail on it. Smile and everybody will forgive the beauty queen.
It's getting to the point where I'm beginning to shudder with loathing every time her image or name or voice comes up.
let's simplify Palin
Incompetent. ignorant idiot who could make George Bush look competent and finish the hatchet job on this country that he started and the mess Obama and his many siccessors will be cleaning up for generations to come.
If Palin ever leaves her igloo, we all need to leave the US, people. It will be hopeless. I have no intention of reliving eight years of utter humiliation and destruction. Robert Redford said it best: Everything W touches turns to shit. Everything. Palin will only spread the shit farther and into our faces in ways we can't imagine.
Palin America
Palin is the right person for the "wrong" America. Stupid and nasty, lazy and greedy. Long may she reign.
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