Quote of the Day: The Conservative Temperament

| Tue Dec. 22, 2009 12:02 PM PST

From Mike Konczal on the political climate in conservo-land:

Visiting home for the holidays, it’s amazing to me how certain groups of friends, who I mostly considered in the generic Republicans/conservatives camp, have been wading deeper into the Ron Paul territory. “Abolish the Fed” is one thing, but what surprised me the most was when I was at a Christmas party several people mentioned, fairly out of nowhere, how bad FDIC is for the economy....When I tried to point out how if there wasn’t FDIC and millions of savings accounts were getting wiped out in ordinary bank runs we’d almost certainly have a wave of turn-of-the-last-century style violence that is hard for us to even imagine now — think bomb throwing anarchist violence — they seemed to be ok with that.

Golly.  I wonder what could possibly account for generic conservatives increasingly being OK with bomb throwing anarchist violence? Let me think.....

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Shorter Drum: I have no

Shorter Drum: I have no problems slandering conservatives with hearsay spoken by unnamed individuals as reported by a biased source.

It is truly amazing how

It is truly amazing how Republicans follow their leaders. Recently Limbaugh talked for hours, apparently, against the idea that health insurance should cover pre-existing conditions. And his listeners seem to have accepted that. Reminds one of Jonestown.

I sorta kinda agree w/ Another Brad

I won't go so far as AB (I have no idea of Konczai's biases), but that's a pretty weak reed to hang this accusation on.

Yumpin' insurance stocks.

Insurance stocks jumped only because most of the uncertainty is out of the way. Investors are now certain that Obama is fully supportive of Corporatism... as Chomsky says, there's only one party in America, the Corporate Party, and the Dems and the Rethugs are simply factions of it.

Kevin, this post gives me the sense you are trying to bolster your view, wrongly held in my opinion, that this HRC bill is a good thing. In spite of you, Nobel Prize winner Krugman, Klein, DeLong et al taking the same position on this, the best reflection on the bill came today from the National Nurses United group, representing 150,000 nurses in the US. Their analysis of the bill provided 10 well-researched points as to why the bill is worse than nothing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-ann-demoro/an-inglorious-end-to-the_b...

These are people who actually work in the industry, unlike you and your ilk who have merely opined from afar on something you know very little about. Here's a few of their points about how insurance company's will continue to get away with their scam.

"As the NNU has said in its statement on the bill, the loopholes include:

* Provisions permitting insurers and companies to more than double charges to employees who fail "wellness" programs because they have diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol readings, or other medical conditions.

* Permitting insurers to sell policies "across state lines", exempting patient protections passed in other states. Insurers will thus set up in the least regulated states in a race to the bottom threatening public protections won by consumers in various states.

* Allowing insurers to charge four times more based on age plus more for certain conditions, and continue to use marketing techniques to cherry-pick healthier, less costly enrollees.

* Insurers may continue to rescind policies for "fraud or intentional misrepresentation" - the main pretext insurance companies now use to cancel coverage."

There is a lot more in the Huffington Post article, and I suggest you have a look Kevin...and perhaps change your view.

Almost every one of these points

is contrary to everone else's description of the bill's provisions. I suspect the nurses are out of date-- or you are.

And btw, grow up and lose the sophomoric constructions lke "rethugs."

Republicans over this past

Republicans over this past year have seemed increasingly creepy. Like they're quietly looking for some way to fuck with you they can get away with, like leaving a roller skate on your stairs.

Full of nails and broken glass. With a bomb in it.

"why the bill is worse than

"why the bill is worse than nothing."

Half of American liberals think it's better than nothing. Half think it's worse than nothing. I'll call it a draw.

The politics is the Democrats lose. Their best chance is to pass the bill and never speak about it again.

we’d almost certainly have a

we’d almost certainly have a wave of turn-of-the-last-century style violence that is hard for us to even imagine now — think bomb throwing anarchist violence — they seemed to be ok with that.

Golly. I wonder what could possibly account for generic conservatives increasingly being OK with bomb throwing anarchist violence? Let me think.....

Is he talking about Bill Ayers, Obama's violent terrorist buddy?

There seems to be a lot of cheap lib blog posts about so-called "violent rhetoric" from the right, but if libs weren't incestuous readers who only fed off each other, they could find as much or more from the left. Michelle Malkin likes to point out violent rhetoric from the left. All libs would do well to read Pat Buchanan and Michelle Malkin.

Q. What do you call liberal blog rolls?
A. Circlejerks.

i must say, kevin has always

i must say, kevin has always drawn a surprisingly large cohort of moronic right-wingers, and it's nice to see the old tradition maintained by the likes of luther, who provides, for our contemplation, the notion of libs being "incestuous readers who feed off each other" but who nonetheless don't ever spot the violent inclinations he assures us are there! fascinating.

as for the core point: there's nothing new about hysterical lies being the foundation of right-wing american world views, but thanks to modern technology, the lunatics get to amp each other up to higher and higher levels of hysteria on a national basis rather than across a few bar stools.

Ron Paul

Commenters seem to miss the point about the continuing popularity of Ron Paul and the growing trend of his supporters running for Congress on essentially his platform (his son, for one, running for US Senate). He is able to maintain his broad support across the far right, yet maintain sufficient respectability to attract more mainstream republicans and libertarians and even some anti-war liberals. While his bill to audit the Fed has received a lot of coverage, his proposals to end the Fed, free competition in currency, etc. have received very little attention. While I feel these are generally really bad ideas, as an economics novice I am not sure why they are bad ideas and I have nothing to respond to the Paulites who make these arguments. So these ideas grow within the realm of "Liberty Patriots" (to put two of their favorite words together) unchecked by any counter argument. And at the right fringe of this group are many who speak in revolutionary terms. Paul may not support calls to violence, but he certainly does little to discourage them.

Luther, you forgot Eric

Luther, you forgot Eric Rudolph and The Army of God.

And Pat Buchanan and Michelle Malkin aren't worth listening to unless you support xenophobia.

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