Earning Some Hatred

| Fri Jan. 8, 2010 9:40 PM PST

 

Toward the end of my appearance on the Bill Moyers show I dredged up a quote from FDR but couldn't remember his exact words. So now's my chance to revise and extend my remarks. The quote is a famous one from a speech he gave shortly before the 1936 election. Here's what he actually said:

 

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace — business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred.

The point of quoting FDR was simple: I think Barack Obama could use a little more of his attitude. There are times when you need to be conciliatory — I think healthcare reform is such a case, for example — but there are times when you need to let people know whose side you're on. When it comes to financial regulatory reform, Obama needs to let us know whose side he's on. Even if he picks some battles he doesn't win, drawing a line in the sand would, at a minimum, change the terms of the conversation and make future reform a little bit easier — and it probably wouldn't do any harm to the current efforts. So: more spine, please, Mr. President.

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Bill Moyers! Hey, now the

Bill Moyers! Hey, now the CalPundit has really hit the big-time. Time for new cat collars all around.

We need to start an e-mail

We need to start an e-mail campaign to Obama with that quote.

Do you honestly think Obama

Do you honestly think Obama is unaware that FDR was a leftist who had such sentiments? It's time you stop thinking he cares what you think or has any ideals whatsoever. Wake up.

Bill Moyers Show

Kevin, why do you think that the Government and the banks are separate
entities.

Merchant of Venice - Take a pound of flesh and spill no blood. Can you do it?
The FED is a BANK. The Government is the banks Biggest Stockholder.

FannieMae is another Goverment bank which owns 97% of this countries mortgages.

Good interview, but you let

Good interview, but you let Obama off the hook too easily. I'm glad that you pointed out how bribes (oops, campaign contributions) influence congress, but you ignored the fact that they influence the president too. Finance was Obama's biggest contributor.

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I think you were right on, Kevin. Sound and very impressive.

Just watched Moyers

You and David Corn were great. Really enjoyed it.

Great job

I watched your appearance on Bill Moyers. You and your colleague did a great job. Thanks!

Your appearance on Moyers

Great show, Kevin. You and Corn played off each other just fine. Your reasoned voice in the cause is at times the most I can hope for.

Moyers appearance

Kevin,

I'm a long-time admirer of your posts, starting with your time with the Washington Monthly. Clear and consice. Your points were well presented regarding the egregeous financial system we live with. David Corn had great points too. The President, indeed, needs to step up and use the "bully pulpit" to hold the modern-day "plutocats'" feet to the fire. He has the charisma to do it.

I fear, however, our legalized corruption of campaign contributions is part of the problem.

Well done! BTW, best to Domino and Inkspot from another cat-lover!!

Ron

More spine...

Just as soon as healthcare reform passes, I hope Obama stomps up to the podium and tells the too-greedy-to-fail bankers, "Bring 'er on"!

Oops

I mean Concise!!

Nailed It

Enjoyed your appearance on Bill Moyers tonight. His guests are almost always stellar, you rank up there with the best of them.

Last spring, Obama convened a meeting at the White House with the heads of the big banks, and he is reported to have told them "I'm the only one standing between you and the pitchforks." My immediate thought was that he should be out on the front lawn leading the pitchforks, not protecting the bankers. I have said since that if his presidency fails, it will not be because of terrorist attacks or complicated wars, but because he allowed someone else to become the leader of Main Street.

Your insight that by taking on the financiers he will fulfill his stated desire to work across partisan divides is brilliant. You're right on when you say that ordinary people of all political stripes will get behind that kind of leadership. I hope Obama was watching tonight. You showed him the path.

Moyers

Great job, Kevin and David. Hope Obama saw this.

great interview

I tuned in a little late and was wondering, "Who's that guy with David Corn--he's good." Also, as others mentioned above, you and Corn had a good dynamic going.

"Obama needs to let us know

"Obama needs to let us know whose side he's on. "

We got fucked in 2009 as we found out whose side he's on.
We're going to get fucked in 2010 because everyone KNOWS whose side he's on.

You honestly don't know whose side he's on?

Good stuff. Keep it up,

Good stuff. Keep it up, Kevin. I'm the most massive of fans.

I promised myself I wouldn't

I promised myself I wouldn't come here anymore, but seeing you on Moyers letting Obama off the hook was just too much. I'll try to be as constructive as possible. You write:

"There are times when you need to be conciliatory — I think healthcare reform is such a case, for example — but there are times when you need to let people know whose side you're on."

Sweeping the anger of millions of Obama supporters over the manner in which they believe they were sold out under a "conciliatory" rug borders on unethical. In doing that, you are disrespecting them as much as Obama has. They aren't angry because he was merely "conciliatory." Being "conciliatory" doesn't preclude delivering on ANY of the promises that he made to them. Being "conciliatory" doesn't require letting Lieberman, Collins, Snowe, Nelson and other assholes write the fucking bill.

You are in favor of the Senate bill passing; millions of democrats are not. You see it as progress; they do not. You put your faith in a regulatory structure that has already failed; they do not. Summing up these differences with the phrase "there are times when you need to be conciliatory" is really immature.

The banking crisis is another example. You write:

"When it comes to financial regulatory reform, Obama needs to let us know whose side he's on."

Pardon me, he already has. He was against nationalization, against breaking them up, and is now against true regulation of derivatives. You disrespect those who supported him but now feel sold out when you act as if a few speeches attacking bankers will "make future reform easier" and "show spine."

You like to say, as you did on Moyers, that leverage is the problem. If we could only "regulate" leverage, we would be fine. You have been told repeatedly by your own readers that regulation has not and will not work. And that leverage alone is NOT the problem. Leverage WITH OUR MONEY is the problem.

Your answer to the populist anger in the country -- shared by millions of Obama voters -- that he could "use a little more of his [FDR's] attitude" -- is juvenile. He needs to ACT more like FDR, not talk more like FDR.

Obama has pissed away his presidency by being "conciliatory." A speech or two about banker bonuses won't help.

I dropped my son off at NC

I dropped my son off at NC State University this morning, and took a brief tour of Raleigh afterwards. Square mile after square mile of $500,000 homes [million dollar homes outside the south] for the lobbyists and parasites 0n our political economy. Organized money today is different than organized money in 1932 - today we have the prez of the SEIU flying around in a Gulfstream 5 embezzling his worker's dues, student loan "not-for-profit" financial rapists, think tank pimps, ACORN/Operation PUSH shakedown artists and a lot of others. I really think the energy for political change right now is with the teabaggers, and the Republican Party is in the position of the Whigs circa 1854. If the Democratic Party wants to reestablish any connection with the common man, they should crack down on executive compensation through the tax code, put a stiff surtax on income derived from lobbying, especially lobbying by former Congresscritters or staffers, and take a look at the anger being generated by their coddling public employee unions and government "contractors."

Aside from the last of your

Aside from the last of your recommendations, those are unlikely to go over well with the teabaggers.

Even Mother Jones is corrupt.

The corruption is extensive and corrosive but doesn't stop at the shore lines of the banking industry or the lobbyists. The sludge washes up even against Mother Jones as she hides behind her non-profit status. 2008 income $10.6 million, $40,000 a month for their digs, $200,000 plus in travel expenses- damn that sushi is expensive- and not a lick in taxes. I mean its not like Drum and Corn are putting their money where there mouth is. They feed off of the system while telling the rest of us how to live.

I guess that's why they are progressives.

Tell that to the Heritage Foundation.

And all the other 501(c)(3) non-profits on the right disguised as think tanks and leadership insititutes and whatnot.

Shorter Kevin: Obama should

Shorter Kevin: Obama should fake support for some iconic liberal lost causes because his third way policies might cost him some votes on the left.

I'm not sure whether that is more or less condescending than Kevin's usual posts urging liberals to just stfu and support third way because it's the best they can get.

Bill Moyers

Enjoyed listening. Its about time to speak out on what is really happening around us. This feel good attitude our Politicians have portrayed over the years will backfire. Its coming. the more we discuss the more transparent it will become. When you get a taste of the bureaucrats dealing with the public, the more you understand, they are all actors and playing a part. The laws are written to protect these few, we let it happen, now we need to change it. I've dealt with departments that make you sit up and notice of what they do not do for the average citizen. Frightening to say the least. Leaves a bad taste in your mouth to know you really aren't served or protected.
Never understood why people were sold on Wall Street.. take the blinders off

coming around

Well said Kevin. It's going to take some time for the HCR defeat to re-organize progressive strategy, but this post is good sign.

Rhetoric vs. action

Obama's rhetoric has always been strongly in favor of reform, but even as he was uttering stirring speeches during the campaign he was appointing members of the establishment to his team.

FDR assembled a mixed bag of financial experts and leftists known as the brains trust which was actually committed to reform.

Bill Moyers Journal

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My wife and I really enjoyed you and David Corn on Bill Moyers Journal on January 8, particularly when it was mentioned that the power of leverage is what's creating the problem and there is no set rules on how much leverage they use. That's why Congress should reinstate the GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. When I was in the NFO (National Farmer's Organization) over 40 years ago, our organization picketed the Chicago Board of Trade. We said they pretty well ruined the family farm, through their priciple of LEVERAGE and the use of the DERIVATIVES through the FUTURES MARKET. President Obama, if he's going to secceed, is going to have to use the tactics that President Franklin Roosevelt used, mainly because they worked. If he thinks he can get the big Investment Banks and corporations to change their tactics without taxing them at a higher rate and like Ellen Hodgson Brown said in her book, "WEB OF DEBT," the derivative market is now $681 trillion and you should tax the derivatives, after all, you tax the dollar. My question is--Are derivatives an asset or are they worthless? That's probably something the Attorney General will have to look into.
Yours truly, LaVern, Overtaxed Middle Class Taxpayer and Public Citizen Member

We Need Action, Not Talk of Hate

Speak softly, carry a big stick. The tough talk should come at the appropriate moment, when it can do the most good. For example, there might have been moments in the HCR debate when Obama could have (and should have) humiliated Lieberman or Republican opponents. It might have been costly, any such attack will be, but it would have more impact than a general rant.

Perhaps it was wise to remain conciliatory during the HCR process, but the talk will be seen as empty unless it is properly focused...

Advocates for liberal social

Advocates for liberal social democracy need more spine. The president, like many Democrats before him, only has the spine to confront progressives, liberals and leftists. Obama was elected because he was not-Republican, but now he needs to be confronted because he is an establishment corporatist.

Banks that own the country

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The Congress and Executive have been in league with the banks throughout the Bush administration. It was the democratic leadership that pushed the policy of easing down payments on homes and the financial industry that used this policy to generate huge profits vuia the derivatives they sold around the world.

Today, we have some of the people who were at the center of the bad financial policies trying to fix them: Summers, Bernake, Geithner and their icon, Rubin.
All under a President who is too conciliatory and lacks real leadership in changing and regulating the financial industry that really controls them.

For more than two decades, the executive has mouthed things about a strong dollar, while the Greenback has lost more and more value. In 1978, the Swiss Frank [CHF] could be bought for$0.27. Today it is hovering near par, it is $0.97 for a CHF. - After the UBS scandal, the Swiss decided they would no longer accept funds from persons with a US address, legal or otherwise.
My own desire to safeguard my assets by transferring them out of the slipping dollar to stable currencies such as the CHF are defeated, since the IRS convinced the Swiss to kick out all US address accounts, even long standing, legal ones. What better stable countries and currencies are there?

Until the Supreme Court recognizes that money given by all corporations and lobbyists to the Congress, the major Parties, and even the executive is not speech but pure and simple undue influence, aka bribes, we will have a disfunctional government.
" Government by the people and for the people" will be an empty advertising slogan, until the Congress and the banks are regulated.

Check out ETF symbol "FXF".

Check out ETF symbol "FXF". It's a US fund that tracks the Swiss Frank.

Bill Moyers Journal Appearance

First, I believe Kevin, David and Bill Moyers performed a public service by discussing the issues. But Bill Moyers asked the question about "what to do", and that is where things appear bleak.

While the issues all have great import, at the end of the day, everything points back to the impending failure of our form of government. (I use the word impending, since the realization is quite yet ubiquitous).

In the legislature we supposedly have two parties, but one, Currently the Dems are the corrupt politicians. The Republicans are simply right wing radicals voting in lockstep opposition. Lobbyists are the legislators.

The Judiciary is compromised with Right wing corporatist judges who, are in place to ensure the primacy of the lobbyists, should any effective legislation to limit lobbyists via campaign reform or the like be enacted.

The executive branch is largely occupied by forces in alignment with the lobbyists. The whole notion of conciliatory approaches is a smoke screen to maintain the illusion of the government in operation.

Finally the mainstream media is completely along for the ride. Note to Obama: the media will never consider you Bipartisan. Bipartisan = Republican President.

So what happens next? If the masses become largely resigned to the powerlessness, we probably drift towards a total corporate-military feudalism. Otherwise we may drift towards forms or regional power or localized anarchy.

Years ago we were told to work within the system. Today there is no system to work within.

Great TV debut for Kevin. An

Great TV debut for Kevin. An opening on Bill Moyers was the best possible scenario.

And BTW Moyers also mentioned Kevin's views in an earlier program, so it seems that he reads him.

The issue itself remains complex and mired in catch-22s. If it takes money to win elections, and the easiest way for politicians to raise money is by supporting the banks, then... just connect the dots, as Obama says. Unfortunately, people don't seem to vote the same way they answer opinion poll questions. And this, in my opinion, is the fundamental issue that precedes and determines all others.

Also, when making comparisons

Also, when making comparisons with FDR, we should keep in mind that election campaigns have become more expensive since his time. Via Google: CPI is up about 10-fold since 1936, but the cost of presidential campaigns is up 60-fold. So it's harder to get elected these days if you go against the deep pockets.

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Hi Kevin..........I want to thank you and David for an illuminating discussion on Moyers last night. Both your comments and evaluations were interesting, but somewhat depressing. It's sad to think there is no one in power who is trying effectively to break Wall Streets hold on America. Makes me feel very helpless....... I have been following your blogging for about 3 years, and it was nice to be able to put a face to your words. Thanks again.

Okay, here's another

Okay, here's another badly-remembered quote in the same vein - said by a supporter of Al Smith at his nominating convention in 1928:

"We love him for the enemies he has made!"

for the enemies he made...

Makes me think we need to forgive Eliot Spitzer, because he sure pissed off a lot of people....

bloodhound vs junkyard dog

Obama's new sheriff on Wall Street is Adam Storch, a 29-year-old youngster from Goldman Sachs, of course. And because he is too young and too unseasoned to effectively fight white-collar crime, he'll be nothing more than a bumbling Barney Fife on Wall Street. This says to me that Obama and his team of Goldman alums have no intentions of cleaning up crimes on Wall Street, otherwise they would've hired a bloodhound like Eliot Spitzer to sniff out securities fraud. They instead hired a junkyard dog. So whenever a burglar breaks into the junkyard, the junkyard-dog barks and makes a grand show of things. But then he immediately goes back to sleep, allowing the burglar to carry off whatever he pleases.

Then again, even if Spitzer didn't have a weakness for high-priced hookers, Goldman probably would've hired a hitman or two from Blackwater to snuff him out.

Thats a really good quote.

Thats a really good quote. I'd worship that man if he were in the office today. Sadly, the conglomerate monsters he dealt with were might not have been smaller porportionally, but they were fewer enough to be muzzled. Obama got were he is today from racking up a high amount of face time with lobbyists. Corporations like to shape a presidential hopeful in their own image, and there Jesus preaches the status quo. He/she can be a Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter.

Moyers is an interesting case

Moyers is an interesting case study in the new organized money controlling America. I read a hit piece on him in the Weekly Standard a couple of years ago pointing out the man has finagled a multimillion dollar annual income from PBS for railing against fat cats and US foreign policy... that's a lot of pledge drives. Mickey Kaus had a piece awhile back pointing out the general counsel of Wisconsin Public Radio made over $300,000 a year. Takes a lot of legal talent to make sure you don't cheat Mozart or Beethoven out of their royalties.

Is that the same FDR that got

Is that the same FDR that got us into WWII?

"I hate wahhh, and Eleanor hates wahhhhh." Right.

http://www.amazon.com/Churchill-Hitler-Unnecessary-War-Britain/dp/030740...

Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World

FDR vs Obama

FDR wasn't much of a friend of the peaceniks, but he was a champion of the common man. Obama, OTOH, is neither of these two things.

What a nice surprise it was

to see you on Moyers, Kevin! I caught it strictly by accident; I didn't know you were scheduled to be on and I was doing a "once-through", surfing by quickly before turning the damn tv off for the night.

I'm glad I caught it! Hope to see you on again soon!

another FDR quote from that speach

"Your Government is still on the same side of the street with the Good Samaritan and not with those who pass by on the other side."

It is startling to imagine the government on the side of the angels after Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush. We'll see how Obama turns out.

Reality is, it works the other way

Obama uses his spine against the Netroots, the organic movement that he co-opted with happy talk to get elected.

The sooner people wake up to the fact that this administration cares too much about monied interests, the better. WAKE UP!!!!

Great quote, but different context

As always Kevin, thoughtful and well-documented analysis on your part.

I love that speech of Roosevelt's but, in defense of Obama, he's in a different political situation than Roosevelt was in October 1936.

By October 1936, the American electorate had lived through 3+ years of the Republican response to the Great Crash of 1929, and then 3+ years of the Democratic response (note: at that time there's still no Social Security Act, no Wagner Act, no SEC---all of that comes in FDR's 3rd term). Voters were on the verge of giving FDR an overwhelming re-election victory, despite the absence of many of the signature accomplishments of the New Deal.

FDR was as much a part of the American establishment as any politician has been. Just as Nixon could go to China because his anti-Communist credentials were so strongly established, so Roosevelt could criticize "organized money" and "welcome their hatred" because he came from the moneyed aristocracy.

A young President, "with a father from Kenya and a mother from Kansas", one year into his first term, inheriting the Great Recession which hit only at the end of his predecessor's second term, still struggling to win his signature health-care bill in the face of an opposition that sees it merely as an opportunity to create (as Sen. DeMint said) "Obama's Waterloo", does not have the political maneuvering room to give a speech like Roosevelt's.

(We can, however, envision, hope for, and work for a change in national politics in the next few years that allows Obama to isolate the Republican Party and its allies from power the way that FDR did. He might not say it publicly, but it seems clear from the way he's talked about which presidencies he admires, that Obama wants to change fundamentally the political and economic trajectory of the country. That takes time.)

Yes! And, Obama hasn't got a

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Yes!

And, Obama hasn't got a chance if we don't "work for a change in national politics in the next few years." It's up to us to give him the chance to make the changes we hope for.

Tearing him down is not the best strategy, folks. Working for change from the ground up is.

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