Deficit Fever

| Sun Feb. 7, 2010 11:11 PM PST

Paul Krugman wonders why everyone is suddenly panicked over the long-term deficit:

The main difference between last summer, when we were mostly (and appropriately) taking deficits in stride, and the current sense of panic is that deficit fear-mongering has become a key part of Republican political strategy, doing double duty: it damages President Obama’s image even as it cripples his policy agenda. And if the hypocrisy is breathtaking — politicians who voted for budget-busting tax cuts posing as apostles of fiscal rectitude, politicians demonizing attempts to rein in Medicare costs one day (death panels!), then denouncing excessive government spending the next — well, what else is new?

It's more than that, of course. Guys like David Walker and Pete Peterson have been banging the deficit drum for years and were mostly dismissed as tedious cranks. Editors would barely grant them a squib on A16 for their speeches and PowerPoint presentations. Likewise, the long-term problems of Medicare and Social Security have been common knowledge for a long time and haven't changed a whit in the past year. The other causes of the deficit — Bush-era tax cuts, Bush-era war spending, Bush-era Medicare expansion, and a Bush-era recession — are also common knowledge. And the global recession makes short-term deficits far more defensible than they ever were under Bush.

Given all this, the fact that Republicans think deficit mongering is a handy political tool isn't enough to explain the sea change in media attention. Reporters are all properly cynical about political opportunism, after all. The far more important cause of the change is conservative media. Despite the fact that the operation of the noise machine is hardly a secret, reporters and editors remain curiously obtuse about the effect it has on them. But when the machine goes into overdrive, as it has with the deficit, its memes take on a life of their own. The fact that "regular people" are talking about the deficit is what makes it news, but of course they're only talking about it because every conservative outlet in the country suddenly contracted deficit fever last year on January 20th. And to appropriate a saying, when the Drudge/Fox/Rush axis catches a fever, the rest of the media catches pneumonia. So more people talk about it. And the media pays even more attention to it. Nice work if you can get it.

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and you have ConservoDems who

and you have ConservoDems who supported the Iraq War including magically keeping it off the books and the Bush taxes trying to burnish their serious moderate bona fides by becoming deficit hawks

My brother in law practiced

My brother in law practiced Krugman economics. He was broke, so he set up a phony business and borrowed $100,000 from the Chase bank without having the vaguest thought of repaying, a short term deficit, however, being reasonable given his state of finances. Time for a stimulus, though it was only one third of what he really wanted.

Sadly his predictions on repayment, if this had ever been a concern, were far from revenues, and he narrowly missed jail even with his father making restitution.

Krugman is right on about the hypocrisy. I'll give him that. Who can forget Cheney's memorable comment about Reagan proving deficits don't matter.

...proving...

As I heard it, The High One Cheney recalled the Spirit of JFK in that excuse for sorcery. Am I wrong?

"Krugman economics"

Too bad you don't understand Krugman a whit, nor does your brother in law.

"Krugman economics" would be to borrow the $100,000 because you can get super-cheap loans, and invest the money in long-term productive assets and well-overdue maintenance with incredible ROI, both of which are on fire-sales at the moment.

It really is simple: We can pay millions of unemployed people $500/week to sit on their rears, or $1000/week to do something useful (and get $200 back in tax returns!). The latter is a winner both economically and socially.

The problem with "krugman

The problem with "krugman economics" is that the money you use to finance all this "stimulus" comes from the private sector to begin with....either now or later when the Chinese must be paid back. You take money that could be used to grow a job that will exist irregardless of stimulus spending, to temporarily create a job that is entirely dependent on government money....and costs even more money for the physical materials. So we use all that money now, to temporarily employ people to do projects that were never worthy on their own merits in the past. So you have sucked money from the place that will create a job that doesn't require government money to sustain. You further spend money that could have been used in the near future for actual needed and entirely worthy infrastructure projects to build projects of zero worth instead. A waste of current and future money which will only make our short term and long term economic problems worse.

Most Dems supported the Iraq war so that one is owned by both parties. The new Medicare program wasn't big enough for Dems, who wanted a program that was twice as big (with no way to pay for it) as what we have. So they get to own that one also with repubs. TARP was bipartisan in that more Dems than Repubs voted for it, including President Obama and Vice President Biden. They both voted for Bush's stimulus but complained that it needed to be bigger. In other words if Obama were president instead of Bush the deficit would have been just as big or even bigger. Both parties have no leg to stand on blaming the other party for the out of control budget. Both are at fault.

It is ridiculous to say things like reckless spending got us into this mess so we need 4 times the reckless spending to get us out of it.

I Don't Mind The Emphasis

on the deficit, as long as all remedies are on the table, and it is understood that putting them into effect only comes when the economy is stronger. But of course the Republicans will not even talk about long overdue restoration of income taxes to their pre-Bush levels.

Here's the government

Here's the government spending answers:

If it helps the poor, there's a deficit to worry about.
If it helps the rich, it must be done immediately.
If it helps everyone, it's socialism.
If it helps the rich, it's capitalism.
If it helps only some corporations, it's patriotic.
If it helps workers, it's socialism.
If it helps management, it's capitalism.

Deficits must be maintained, otherwise the government might spend money to help people. And that's socialism, which is bad. Instead the government should help rich people, who buy a lot of government bonds, which helps them be rich and helps them keep the government from helping the non-rich people. Thus, to stave off socialism, the people must be kept poor.

We're talking about Haiti, right?

So tell me, are you people

So tell me, are you people concerned about the defecit, or not? It seems the tone of your comments are, if a Republican runs up the deficit, that's bad. But if a Democrat runs up the defecit, who cares?

I don't belong to either party. But I am very concerned about the debt we're dumping on my 3 children and future grandchildren.

If you are concerned about

If you are concerned about the deficit you should never vote for a Republican candidate for president. Republican presidents have not balanced the budget since Eisenhower. The largest increases in gross debt relative to GDP, to date, occurred under George H.W. Bush (+11.2%), George W. Bush (+11.9%), and Ronald Reagan (+18.5%). The increase in the debt by Obama is related directly to the economic malpractice and collapse that occurred under George W. Bush.

Republicans have no ideas to cut deficit

so they can't be driving the discussion. The options are really limited anyway: renegotiate our military commitments, raise taxes, slash Medicare. The first two are obviously non-starters for any Republican. And though you'd think they'd be interested in the latter, they demagogued that off the table during the health-care reform deliberations. So they got nothing.

No, the reason deficit hawkery is in fashion again is because the deficit is really big (though understandably for the moment), GDP is moving in the right direction, and no one in the press cares about unemployment, nor is acquainted with anyone looking for work in a hard-hit sector like construction or manufacturing.

Fox News

Fox News could commence a campaign declaring the Left had been possessed by the Devil and quickly the debate would shift to whether exorcisms should be conducted in private or televised. Perception is reality. Fox says deficits matter, so deficits matter. Anyone saying otherwise is, well, in league with Satan. See above. Details at 11. And 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10.

Hypocrisy is one of the vital

Hypocrisy is one of the vital ingredients of politics. Of course, the liberals who berated Bush for running up deficits who now want Obama to spend it on political giveaways to interest groups that favor the democrat party are in the exact same position. There is, in America, only the radical "grow government rapidly" party and the centrist "grow government slightly less rapidly" party. Anybody born after 2000 or so is going to spend their entire adult life as little more than a government serf, as they'll toil for over half the year just to meet their tax burden; that's already the case for many upper middle class people in high tax states.

taxes

"....they'll toil for over half the year just to meet their tax burden; that's already the case for many upper middle class people in high tax states."
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Seldom do I hear conservatives dare suggest defense spending be curtailed. To paraphrase Alejandro "Actually in America there is only the radical 'grow the DoD rapidly' party and the centrist 'grow Dod slightly less rapidly' party." My taxes pay for weapons systems, transport systems, military bases and sundry other Defense Department boondoggles that military leaders plead and beg with Congress for funding cutoffs and cancellations, mostly to little or no avail.
I could start a company that built furnaces for incinerating newly minted money and once it employed 10,000 people some Senator would fight to keep it afloat.

The out of control growth of

The out of control growth of the DoD is a symptom, not the underlying problem. Everything you said is accurate: Were it not for Big Zinc, we would likely no longer have pennies. A certain amount of waste, fraud, and corruption is inevitable. But the latest round has been out of control. First, we bail out two worthless car companies that make crap products. Then, we create an ill-conceived "cash for clunkers"* problem to keep them afloat a bit longer. No word on the next round of 'help.' And, of course, wall street should have been allowed to burn before getting a government bailout.

*By the way, I've never seen an accounting of whether cash for clunkers even helped the environment. If you trade in a car that's just 4/MPH more efficient for a new one, then you start in a massive environmental deficit because of all the materials and carbon emissions that went into making the car in the first place. An economist really needs to tackle this and see how much we paid for what result.

Alejandro, there are

Alejandro, there are AIRPLANES in the pipeline that cost a billion dollars. Per plane. For a billion. Each. And there are FLEETS of them being fought over in appropriation committees each day. The dollars involved dwarf the help being extended various businesses and individuals. Yes, there are non-defense related expenditures that need addressed. Programs need cut, priorities need reevaluated, questions need asked. But where is the outcry from the Right demanding the same cuts, the same questions, the same reevaluations be applied to the Defense Department? It's not there at any serious level. Defense is untouchable for fear the Right's constituency will scream "Appeasers! Terrorist lovers! Pussies! Weaklings! Neville Chamberlain! AH AH AH AH!!!!!" The same Senator that will bitch about helping someone on the Treasury's dime will fight to the death an attempt to reduce some package of redundant billion dollar fighter jets from an order of 50 to an order of 49. And exactly whose goddamn military is it we're going to have a massive aerial dogfight with?

Serves you right

Well, you're hearing it from this conservative. I have no problem cutting Defense as long as it's part of a package that radically reduces the size/scope of ALL govt. But get this straight...even if we whacked DoD by 50%, it would pay for a fraction of the percent of the spending binge Obama is embarked on. I suspect you're a youngster (under 30). If so, there's a silver lining for me in Obama's $12T national debt (projected to reach $19T by the end of his second term...and that's WITHOUT a new health care entitlement). The silver lining is that it's YOU...and your generation...that are going to reap the whirlwind through radically higher taxes, a significantly lower standard of living, and possibly inflation as well. All in exchange for a bunch of crappy govt programs that don't work very well for anyone.

Actually we are going to cut

Actually we are going to cut your benefits first since you enjoyed all those tax cuts under Reagan and W. Bush. Time to pay that money back.

Do your taxes pay for the wars?

The retort to the claim that one's taxes pay for the wars and the military should be that they could/would if those things were IN the budget, which they are not, for the most part. No, the wars and much of the military appropriations are paid for by Congress via special appropriations. Taxes collected pay for things IN the budget, not out of the budget. That is what budgets are for. So, for many, many years, the costs of wars and much of the military spending has been paid for simply by added to our federal debt.
George W. asked repeatedly to put the war(s) into his budget. His retort was that he didn't know what the wars were going to cost.
With the wars and much of the military expenses "off budget," when the annual deficit is announced, it ignores any adding to the debt for these "off budget" expenses. This is kind of having credit cards maxed out but not having them play a role in your financial reports. It was, is and will be dishonest to the American people.
Bottom line: your taxes DO NOT PAY FOR THE WARS and/or much of our military expenses because the wars and/or much of our military expenses ARE NOT IN THE BUDGET!!!!
For more on this, go to: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Are you really that dumb?

So we don't pay for the wars, because they aren't in the budget? Really?? So wars are free?? You say that "for many, many years, the costs of wars and much of the military spending has been paid for simply by added to our federal debt." Then you say "when the annual deficit is announced, it ignores any adding to the debt for these 'off budget' expenses." So which is it? Are they part of the debt or not?

Let me make this very simple for you:
Federal expenses
- Federal revenue
= Federal debt

The gov't is spending more that it is taking in, so the debt keeps getting bigger.

Somalia, Bosnia and Kosova

It became a fade for Clinton and the Repub Congress during the 90's to pay for these things via off budget DOD operations. It been continued with Bush and O's admin.

That doesn't mean

That doesn't mean that we don't pay for it. It simply means that they are using budget tricks to try to "hide" the costs. However, at the end of the day, the taxpayers are on the hook.

This is a bit confusing.

You assert that "Reporters are all properly cynical about political opportunism, after all." But that assertion hardly seems to comport with the immediately following depiction. Do these cynical reporters really fail to see that the Drudge/Fox/Rush axis is a political one?

Curiously obtuse indeed.

Skewed journalism

You can say the same thing about CBS/MSNBC/PBS et al. The VERY reason the FOX/Drudge/talk radio became a reality was because of the skewed political agenda of the MSM since its capture by the liberals, much like academia. It only got worse with time. Now they complain about FOX, yet they did it for 50 years and when they had a monopoly. It only ended with freeing of radio in the 80's, cable in the 90's and finally the internet. No going back, know we can all reinforce our own perspective, the lattle crowd on PBS and MSNBC. The three G's crowd on FOX and radio. All of us can pick our poison on the the millions of internet sites!

what nation has ever prospered by debt?

if krugman could simply point to a successful country, which does not have a social system that will eventually bankrupt them, he might have something to work with...

our lottery ticket of a chance stems from 'outgrowth', yet our govt has never failed to increase spending by a larger % than our growth.

were borrowing a trillion a year for the next ten years, in the face of 100 trillion of unfunded obligations, occurring within the next 50 years.

Yeah sure. The national debt's no biggie

Let's try a comparison to see if it gets through the thick skulls. Let's say you and your spouse make a combined $100k/yr. Let's say you carry a mortgage, car payments...also credit card balances that average $5K. Based on this, you worry a bit over your debt, but hey...you can handle it. Well, let's say now you open a spate of new credit card bills and find out dear old spouse has run your total credit card debt to $50K...a level where you can't even make the minimum payment. At some point you say enough is enough and get really, really ticked. That's the situation we're in now. We didn't like Bush's debt and were ticked off; Obama's current and proposed debt has us absolutely, utterly ticked off. But hey, let's just listen to Krugman; he has no "agenda", he's a fair & balanced kinda guy. Let's just continue to spend and spend...I"m sure there's now downside.

The cost of the military and the wars

Neither Krugman nor many others talk about ending the wars and/or severely reducing the costs of our military operations. Those things need to be done if we are ever going to get back to a balanced budget. We have been lied to for years about the components of federal spending. The typical pie chart of such shows Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as primary components of this spending. By removing Social Security and most of Medicare from this pie chart, which should be done, since both have income for their expenses, we then have a much more realistic view of where federal spending goes.

See this link for more on this: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

another simpleton who thinks

another simpleton who thinks a nation's budget is similar to a household budget. how quaint. so JohnR22926 did you point out how fiscally disastrous the Iraq War would be? how about the three rounds of Bush tax cuts?

Entitlements

Ahhhh typical liberal put down, geeehhhh gushhhhh" he a simpleton!" He has a better grasp of macro than K-man and O does, for that matter any pol. The VAST majority of Macroeco-ist believe that running MASSIVE deficit and adding to our debt at this rate ARE NOT good for the long run, immediate run or SHORT RUN. Go to any respected econ journal and that will be the CONSENSUS view, ahhhhhh but you socialist only lisiten to the "consensus" when it comes to "climate" change.
Ohhh yeah if you include the entitlement funding liabilities which are NOT included in the budget each year. That dwarfs the “off budget” war funding bills each year. We have not had a balanced budget since the 20’s. Entitlements only work in a population with many young taxpaying workers.

Bush tax cuts

When Bush cut the tax rates, tax revenues went up. Same for Reagan and JFK. There are many cases where tax rates were raised and tax revenues declined. Recently, Maryland raised their top tax rate, and tax revenues declined $100 million.

After Bush cut tax rates, the share of total tax revenue paid the upper tenth of taxpayers increased, and the share paid by the lower half of taxpayers decreased.

So, which do you want, the tax revenue and share paid by the high-earners to increase, or the tax rates to increase. You can't have both.

Bush Tax Cuts

When Bush cut taxes in 2001, revenues went down for three straight years, then leveled out.

Revenues went up in 2006 and 2007 -- the bubble years -- only to crash in 2008.

All one has to to do is look at the CBO numbers.

http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.shtml

Social Security and the Federal Debt

The following comes from a recent article: "...almost $20 trillion of the $45.8 trillion of spending involves three programs -- Social Security, Medicare (health insurance for those 65 and over) and Medicaid (health insurance for the poor -- two-thirds goes to the elderly and disabled). The message: The budget is mainly a vehicle for transferring income to retirees from workers, who pay most taxes. " If you believe this, there are rotting bridges for sale that you might be interested in, as well. Translation: Can we put the above to bed as a big fat lie?
What really causes the federal debt is NOT Social Security, which is OWED about $2.4 trillion by the federal government because that is the to-date surplus that has been collected via payroll taxes, but not paid out over the years. Again, Social Security has a $2.4 trillion surplus! Again, it has not been and is not going to be a contributor to the federal debt!
In a cruel twist of logic, conservative pundants try to make it look like Social Security has added to the federal debt, when THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. The more people realize that blaming Social Security and other "entitlements" for our increasing federal debt is false, the more they will begin to look for the true reasons for the debt, which are the wars and our military commitments.
For a consise, cogent explanation of all this, see this webpage: http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

This doesn't make sense

Gfulmore - are you saying that the federal government doesn't run Social Security? You state that SS "is OWED about $2.4 trillion by the federal government" but SS is a federal government program! Acting like SS is not part of the federal budget is just an accounting trick used (by both parties) to fool the gullible. If I lend money to myself, then I don't have a net gain, so how can the fed. gov't lending itself money lead to a net gain? Yet, that is exactly what you are claiming. The fact is, all gov't expenditures (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Fannie, Freddie, the military) costs more than the gov't brings in. As a long term proposition, this is unsustainable. SS is rapidly reaching the point where it costs more than it brings in. This adds to the overall federal debt. It is a fact. If you think that SS, Medicare and Medicaid are programs worth spending on, that is fine, but defending accounting tricks based on partisan politics does nothing to help solve the problem.

paging doctor krugman...

shorter krugman-

'If you weren't worried about taking your kid to hospital when his temp was 99.9F, why are you in such a panic over 104F reading?'

I know why krugman went into economics.
he couldn't get into med school.

Now?

I get it.... now that deficits are the highest ever and Obama wants to QUADRUPLE the debt in 10 years.... Now, deficits don't matter.

Got it.

Sounds like you're getting

Sounds like you're getting scared about the natives getting restless, Kevin. Good. I like that you're getting rattled because Americans are waking up to the disaster Obama has become.

Maybe you, like Obama, would prefer that we turn off our TVs and our radios, and just shut up and let your messiah have his way with everything.

After all, he had his way with the stimulus package, which he said would keep unemployment from going over 8 percent. WHOOPS!

He's spurred on spending packages with more pork than in all the pig farms along the Eastern Seaboard.

"Carbonhagen," aka "Hopenhagen" cost millions, put down a HUGE carbon footprint and got us nothing in return.

Bringing Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to NYC to stand trial will cost HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

You bet I'm worried about the deficit!

They are Obama's wars now

Obama just proposed a defense budget bigger than ever. He failed to pull out of Iraq (how many re-adjusted promises?). And he has escalated the war in Afghanistan.

The blaming of Bush for war spending now falls in the category of "living in the past".

But of course, re-writing history is a favorite pastime of the left. Fully 3/4 of our elected officials in DC, supported Bush in going to Iraq. The congress passed a bipartisan resolution outlining about 20 reasons justifying the taking out Saddam - NOT JUST WMDs.

These facts, of course, will be purged from the record. The left HATES facts.

And, by the way, large across-the-board tax cuts are the smartest way to stimulate the economy and job growth. Period. But instead, Obama lavished money on endlessly wasteful federal and state agencies so government workers would be immune to the recession. We now have more government (leach) workers than ever!

Really smart! Expand the mostly non-productive public sector (the jobs that cost billions in retirement outlays), while throwing cracker crumbs to the wealth and job creating part of the economy - small business.

This stimulus package lays

This stimulus package lays out about $730 million in funding to the U.S. Small Business Administration, majority of which will go for financing programs and managing their payrolls. It included the following:

• $375 million to lessen or remove loan fees and improve the SBA’s guaranteed share up to 90 percent of some loans.

• $255 million to help small businesses specifically for meeting the debt payments.

• $30 million to enlarge the SBA’s microloan program.

• $15 million to grow the SBA’s surety bond guarantee policy to cover bigger contracts.

You are the one who appears to hate FACTS.

And by the way temporary across the board tax cuts give you a three cent boost per dollar while the stimulus from temporary spending increases range from 38 cents to 73 cents per dollar according to Moodys. Permanent tax cuts require over $3 in cuts to get to $1 in stimulus. The Wall Street journal declared supply side economics debunked all the way back in 2003. Apparently you were not paying attention.

"Neither Krugman nor many

"Neither Krugman nor many others talk about ending the wars and/or severely reducing the costs of our military operations."

139k in iraq was going to bankrupt us, but 127k in afghanistan, this year, is a cause for 'hope'?

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if I had the job of defending madoff, I would have been sure to call on krugman as a defense witness.

Was Drum in a cave the last 9 years?

If you've had your head crammed up the rear-end of the mainstream media the past 9 years, you probably didn't notice conservatives were blowing a gasket as they witnessed Bush and the GOP spending like drunken sailors. All through the 2000's GOP contributions fell and party affiliation fell, but the MSM either wasn't paying attention or didn't understood why. Or maybe they thought the revolt from the GOP meant Republican were finally seeing the light and moving to the left. But you would have been wrong.

Drum is delusional to believe fiscal conservatism is some new-found religion. Bush was no conservative, and conservatives knew it, but when faced with alternatives like Gore and Kerry, they held their noses and voted for the devil they knew.

Granted, Bush was a big spender, but Obama is making him look like a penny-pincher.

Deficits

Actually, the big difference is that Obama's spending skyrocketed at a time when he should have cut back from Bush'sbudgets.

It is wrong to assume that

It is wrong to assume that real conservatives were not apoplectic about the Bush-Rove fiscal policies. I can tell you exactly where I was on the road when I yelled out an expleteive upon hearing that Bush signed the prescritption drug bill. And while supportive of the war in Iraq I always advocated a $1 tax on gasoline to be split 50-50 between war costs and deficit reduction. (It would also have had the ancillary benefit of moving self-obsessed Americans out of their Hmmmers and SUVs and thus taken power away from the Saudis and other Middle Eastern autocrats as well as Chavez down in Venezuela.)

But as bad as Bush was the present occupant of the WH makes him look almost miserly.

worthless!

O is as worthless as W and a two dollar Wh !?#!@re. We continue to elect dumbarsses like these two, please!

Let see, O, Bush Jr, Clinton jeeeze F-wade these arsses aren't worth a two dollar Wh-re tampoon!

O is and will be as incompt as W because he as inexperiance, worse he so blinded by his own supposed intellect, he as clueless! He what I call a educated dumbarss!

To argue that attention to

To argue that attention to the deficit is merely a matter of perception, since nothing has changed in the trajectory of big spending programs is like saying not to worry about the asteriod that is about to destroy the planet just because you can see it now. After all, we've known about for years.

Deficits

I love to read comments by liberals. You all think in such limited terms. Whatever the NY Times publishes, you guys think.

The reality is that are country went into an economic down turn following the Democrats taking control of Congress in January of 2007. It's no coincidence that the Bush expansion ended a year after the liberals started inflicting their policy agenda on the productive. From proposed new regulations and taxes to across the board wage increases, the liberals running Congress attacked the economy with as much vengeance as they did when destroying the California, Michigan and New York economies.

The liberals declared Bush the lamest of lame ducks when they took Congress, then blamed him when their policies failed. If only John McCain had a brain, and had rebutted Barry O!'s fraudulent campaign rhetoric about the economy, America might not be suffering from the worst president in U.S. history.

So, let's address some of the left wing drivel about how Bush caused the downturn.. One argument is that his tax cuts for the rich caused the problem. Of course, that is a lie because all income levels got cuts. But if Bush's tax cuts caused the down turn, why did the Democrats not repeal them in 2009? Because it would have harmed the economy.

The liberals claim that Bush's two wars that were unpaid for caused the down turn. But, Barry O! has proposed spending an almost equal amount. And, his wars are unpaid for too.

Bush's deficits caused the recession. So, Barry O! has tripled them. Bush's deficits caused a recession, but Obama's will get us out? That only works in bizzaro world.

Bush was reckless in encouraging home mortgage lending. So, the Democrats are proposing to expand the mortgage regulations to include requiring credit unions follow the same guidelines. And, Barry O! has doubled down by lending even more money to defaulted mortagees.

The cold hard truth is that Barry O! has kept or expanded every Bush policy that liberals claimed caused the recession. It's comical. And to make it even funnier, BarryO!'s new budget proposes repealing the Bush tax cuts for the rich, and raising taxes by $1.9 trillion over the next decade, while at the same time doubling the national debt.

If illogic were a tree, Barry O! and the liberals would be redwoods. If government control of the economy and unlimited spending were viable economic theories, the Soviet Union would still exist. But liberals, by all means keep telling yourself that it's all Bush's fault. That seemed to help in Virgina, New Jersey and Massachusetts.

FAIL The Obama administration

FAIL

The Obama administration is not repealing the Bush tax cuts. You can thank
George W. Bush, he is the one who made those tax cuts temporary.

When is it ok to worry about debt?

If you don't worry about debt when it crosses 90% of GDP, do you worry when it's at 100%? Or 120%? or 140%? Should we worry when 30% of tax revenue goes to interest on the debts? Or 40%? Or 50%? Or shouldn't we worry because tax revenue will double?

Just because Bush screwed up by overspending, and created huge deficits, does it mean that Obama should now also screw up more, overspend more, and create even bigger deficits? There's no logic in that argument.

A lot of people disliked the GoP because they created a large fiscal mess and huge annual deficits, but now we see, different people, same irresponsible behavior.

Forget about pushing this onto the kids, if we're still working in 5 years, we're paying for this either with higher inflation or with higher taxes.

The real problem is that there's too many government bureaucrats pushing paper in circles. Spendings to raise salaries of government workers don't create any value for us. That's the wrong kind of stimulus spending.

tax increases

When Bush cut the tax rates, tax revenues went up. Same for Reagan and JFK. There are many cases where tax rates were raised and tax revenues declined. Recently, Maryland raised their top tax rate, and tax revenues declined $100 million.

After Bush cut tax rates, the share of total tax revenue paid by the upper tenth of taxpayers increased, and the share paid by the lower half of taxpayers decreased.

So, which do you want, the tax revenue and share paid by the high-earners to increase, or the tax rates to increase. You can't have both.

Historical Revenue Increases:

Historical Revenue Increases: (http://www.cbo.gov/budget/data/historical.shtml)

From 1970-1979 -- 240% (top tax rate of 70%)

1980-1989 -- 91%

1990-1999 -- 80%

2000-2007 -- 26% (can you say budget deficits?)

If you look at the Bush tax cuts of 2001, revenues went down or remained the same thru 2005 (6% increase).

Only during 2006 and 2007 did they spike. That bubble unfortunately led to the almost collapse of our economy.

The historical chart of revenues does not validate any gains from tax cuts or losses from tax increases.

GNP has increased every year in pretty much a straight line regardless of tax rates. The only exceptions are 2008 and 2009, which decreased.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_gdp_history

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213

Krugman Economics: Getting a

Krugman Economics: Getting a check from Enron.

cum hoc ergo propter hoc

I suspect the political issue with deficits is because they tend to get a lot bigger during economic downturns. Therefore, many people confuse correlation and causation, and think that the government deficits are the *cause* of the economic downturn, rather than a consequence of them.

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