Men Without Work

| Wed Feb. 10, 2010 7:13 AM PST

Back in the early 90s Joel Garreau wrote a book called Edge City. Basically, an edge city is a suburb, but it's a suburb that has the usual sprawl of stucco houses plus at least five million square feet of leasable office space. In other words, it's a self-contained community where people can both live and work, and until the mid-70s such places really didn't exist. Today they're ubiquitous. So what happened? Garreau explains:

When I started asking developers when, exactly, they first thought it plausible to build quarter-of-a-million-square-foot office monoliths out in some cow pasture, far from the old downtowns, I found it eerie how often the year 1978 came up....The only thing I've discovered that begins to account for that nationwide pattern is that 1978 was the peak year in all of American history for women entering the work force. In the second half of the 1970s, unprecedentedly, more than eight million hitherto non-wage-earning women went out and found jobs. The spike year was 1978.

That same year, a multitude of developers independently decided to start putting up big office buildings out beyond the traditional male-dominated downtown....The new advantage was proximity to the emerging work force. These Edge City work centers were convenient for women. It saved them time. This discovery was potent. A decade later, developers viewed it as a truism that office buildings had an indisputable advantage if they were located near the best-educated, most conscientious, most stable workers — underemployed females living in middle class communities on the fringes of the old urban areas.

Italics mine. This passage has stuck with me ever since I first read it. Three decades ago employers discovered that as long as their jobs didn't require much in the way of physical strength — and fewer and fewer jobs did — women were a better employment bet than men. Since then, this has become more apparent with every passing year. Which brings us to the recession of 2008-09, as described by Don Peck in the Atlantic:

The weight of this recession has fallen most heavily upon men, who’ve suffered roughly three-quarters of the 8 million job losses since the beginning of 2008....In November, 19.4 percent of all men in their prime working years, 25 to 54, did not have jobs, the highest figure since the Bureau of Labor Statistics began tracking the statistic in 1948.

....According to W. Bradford Wilcox, the director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia, the gender imbalance of the job losses in this recession is particularly noteworthy, and — when combined with the depth and duration of the jobs crisis — poses “a profound challenge to marriage,” especially in lower-income communities. It may sound harsh, but in general, he says, “if men can’t make a contribution financially, they don’t have much to offer.”

Noted without comment, because I really don't quite know how this is all going to shake out. But I wouldn't be surprised if we're entering not merely a slow recovery in general, but an era in which the male employment ratio hovers permanently around 80% even for those in their prime working years. For now, though, just consider this some raw data.

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Come on Down!

Perhaps getting away with smaller salaries is part of the explanation as well.

That explains suburbs and women in the work force.

But, what year did outsourcing to other countries begin in earnest. Taking the jobs to other even lower wage places probably occurred when some Gramm-Leach-Bliley-type of legislation was passed.

When did the big slide begin?

We must change that.

The Lilly Ledbetter bill which requires equal pay for equal work for women should help stabilize things a bit. If they don't have an economic advantage to paying women peanuts, then they at least won't leave all the men unemployed.

That explains suburbs and women in the work force

I want equal pay for equal work, too, but of course, another way to make Lilly's pay equal to men's is to reduce men's salaries rather than increasing hers. That's what's happening in the current Conservative Depression. We need to stop thinking of blue collar jobs as "too demeaning to do". Not all men can be or want to be college graduates. They deserve good work, too.

um, maybe the men will come

um, maybe the men will come up with 'something to offer' by helping take care of the kids, shopping, household chores, etc.

I find Wilcox's assumption that all men currently do is go to work and then sit on the couch a bit outdated. Most married men I know do far more house/family duties than our fathers ever did, and all of them have two-career families. The unemployed dads I know do their bit driving the minivan and clipping coupons too...

fine until the wife....

trades up. Which is more common than you might think. After all, any guy she works with has more resources to offer than that lazy bastard at home. Even if "lazy bastard" was building the house they live in she doesn't see that from her office. If you think trying to get back into the work force after a stint as housewife is hard just ask a guy who had to do it after playing Mr. Mom.

Women are better workers?

Is it just an urban myth that women present their employers with more frequent and lengthier requests for time off to tend to family (babies/children, aged/sick/infirm relatives)? Do women in fact quit jobs for such matters and reenter the workforce later; losing seniority, experience, status and prestige in their industry while male peers forge onward? If those things are true men must be a sorry bet to cast your lot with if women are still more desirable workers. Or do women no longer fit this mold? As an aside, do you ever talk to a woman that works FOR another woman? I've known many and I tell you many women will say a woman is the absolute worst organism to answer to. Kinda like marriage. Did you see the Dodge sport car commercial during the Super Bowl? I swear I'm suing Chrysler for invasion of privacy once I find out where in my home they hid the cameras and mics used by the advertising research department. Then again maybe I won't sue. Depends on what the wife decides.

The overwhelming majority of

The overwhelming majority of jobs are just jobs, not careers. If a woman leaves for a few years and returns when her kids hit kindergarten, no problem. She didn't miss out on promotions. She (and her male colleagues on the same track) will be doing pretty much the same thing at 50 that they did at 25.

But if you look at studies of low level workers, that woman is far more likely than a male counterpart to show up for work every day, to show up on time, to get along with her fellow employees, to avoid stealing company property and to do all the other things you want of good low-level employees.

We're not talking about people you know, people who read web sites build for folks who went to colleges with competitive admissions.

Is Harry Dent Right?

... who wrote the Coming Economic Depression 2010 (it ought to be here any minute )

In other words the survivalists in Montana are looking more and more prescient every day?

1978

1980 was the peak year for crime in the US, with 1978 being the year that the crime rate turned upwards again after a very short drop, making the crime problem seem completely insolvable. The degree to which cities were seen as unsustainable, unredeemable, dangerous areas in the late '70s is hard to overstate. I think it's this, rather than the relatively small amouts of women in mostly entry-level positions back in the '70s, that really drove the geographical decisions (although obviously the two causes interact).

As the graph shows, the upward trend of male unemployment has been growing for decades and while it gets some press during recessions, nobody seems to know what to do about it. This especially hits the lower classes very hard; there's a large number of men who grew up with certain conditioning and social skills that are hugely out of place in today's job market. The decent-paying factory job isn't just disappearing, it's pretty much gone.

I strongly suspect we'll be reading similar pieces in 15 years wondering if the rate is going to hover at 30% unemployment.

The "Mancession" phenomenon

The "Mancession" phenomenon is not that new. It's been happening since the eraly 1980's recession, although it's considerable worse this time. Good data is here:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/the-mancession/

Scroll down for the unemployment rates, as % of workforce is affected by many factors (number of stay-at-home moms, etc.).

The conventional explanation is that men are disproportionately employed in recession prone sectors (construction, manufacturing) and women in less recession prone sectors (teaching, healthcare).

I tend to believe this (it certainly jives with the large number of construction jobs until recently), but of course no one seems to have a rigorous analysis. Comparison of job category-by-category male vs. female unemployment, accounting for age, experience, education, etc. would be needed. How hard can that be to do with BLS data? But it's easier to keep reporting the same theme everyone else is talking about.

Girls and women are better students

Females outnumber males 57%-43% in both college enrollment and graduation.

http://www.acenet.edu/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Press_Releases2&TEMPLATE=/...

I don't pretend to understand it.

White guys

...vote disproportionately Republican. And what does that get them? Hammered, unemployed, aimless, broke.

Kinda serves them right. But that doesn't fix our pickle.

Anony...

Please give thyself a name so all may follow thy future fame.

The underground, black market

The underground, black market economy is probably where many men who are no longer needed by the real economy end up working.

"The only thing I've

"The only thing I've discovered that begins to account for that nationwide pattern is that 1978 was the peak year in all of American history for women entering the work force."

I'm from Missouri. Sounds like an explanation in search of statistics.

"October 15,1978: Congress passes a version of Carter's energy package. "

This was a time of energy awareness. Not too long after the Arab oil embargo. About this time (1980 actually) gasoline prices were at an all time high in real terms.

More likely, I would think, by 1978 suburbs had ringed major cities for decades, so development was in the "exurb" zone far from inner cities, which combined with high gas prices made local office buildings and short commutes in the exurbs an obvious area of development.

Fuck the Institute of American Values

“if men can’t make a contribution financially, they don’t have much to offer.”

You let this breathtaking sexism - predictable though it is in a report from the Institute of American Values - go unremarked on. You shouldn't have.

I really didn't think a conceptualization of women as full-grown infants requiring parenting - as opposed to adults seeking partnership, companionship, and sex, and able as other adults to take care of themselves - would get a full-out airing in Mother Jones.

Sexism for sure, but you got it backwards

“if men can’t make a contribution financially, they don’t have much to offer.”
You let this breathtaking sexism - predictable though it is in a report from the Institute of American Values - go unremarked on. You shouldn't have.
I really didn't think a conceptualization of women as full-grown infants requiring parenting - as opposed to adults seeking partnership, companionship, and sex, and able as other adults to take care of themselves - would get a full-out airing in Mother Jones.

Unbelievable, you took a quote that states, unequivocally, that men are nothing more than walking wallets as a slam against women.

Wow, I mean, talk about a one track mind.

Care to parse out your "logic" on that one?

I can't see where this...

"I really didn't think a conceptualization of women as full-grown infants requiring parenting - as opposed to adults seeking partnership, companionship, and sex, and able as other adults to take care of themselves - would get a full-out airing in Mother Jones.".... justified by the statement in the article.

It merely says a man without solid job prospects has about zero dating potential. If you don't believe this borrow some pictures of your most handsome male friend and run a personal ad for him. List him as an "unemployed mortgage broker" but otherwise a liberal woman's dream man. The silence will be deafening.

You didn't really think feminism was offering more choices for men did you?

doesn't help matters

It doesn't help matters that the first person the male applicant encounters is the female HR person. If your personality doesn't click with her your qualifications will never reach the manager who needs to consider them.
It also doesn't help that the late 70's brought incentive programs to get women into traditionally male technology jobs.
Education? Don't make me laugh. These days, unless you graduate in something which qualifies you to run financial scams, gambling with other people's money, your "employment" prospects are unpaid internships.

A BFA, a BS, an AS in electronics, and a forklift certificate.
Guess which one will get me hired.

Maybe it is.

Maybe back then in the olden days, when men use to be the break winner and women stay at home for the family but things took a change nowdays with both men and women working to support the family.

Statis in future would make a different.

Naive web designer :)

Male unemployment

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They say the 21st century is China's century. It just may be women's century too -here in the United States. A woman President and majorities in the House and Senate - women. Women bankers and women CEO's.

That would certainly shake things up.

Ilike it!

Thralls' Century

In a Capitalist world the century belongs to any place which provides workers who will work for next to nothing, live in company-owned slums, and live on credit.

We had this, "ownership society," in the 19th century. After over 100 years of progressive labor laws and reform, the US no longer allows such conditions of virtual slavery. China, however, is more than happy to enforce such conditions.
Must be why we gave them most favored nation status.
It's all about not allowing anything to, "trickle down," to those of us who actually create wealth.
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This is not about women or men. We must reform an economy of prosperity for all Americans.

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