Chuck D

Rapping the vote: the Former Public Enemy front man on the political power of hip-hop.
Chuck D has always believed in the political power of hip-hop. From his early days as the front man for Public Enemy (which captured black rage at the Reagan era with 1988s It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back), his music has been a medium for the message. Or, as D once famously remarked, Rap is CNN for black people.
Most recently D has been working to leverage the power of the hip-hop musical culture to build a political movement and an electoral force. In June, he was the keynote speaker at the first-ever National Hip-Hop Political Convention in Newark, New Jersey, where delegates representing 30,000 hip-hop voters created a five-point agenda for urban America, including full funding for schools, prison reform, and an end to tax cuts for the wealthy. D also recently dropped a one-world, antiwar anthem he recorded with electronica avatar Moby, slyly titled MKLVFKWR (add the vowels!), and has been spreading the progressive gospel as a cohost of the Air America Radio program Unfiltered.
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Mother Jones tracked the 44-year-old D across four states and several events, at one point even enlisting Flavor Flav to pin him down. When he finally sat for our interview, D broke down his views on voting as well as thinking outside the American box.
Mother Jones: Public Enemy has a new song out with Moby called MKLVFKWR. How do you pronounce that?
Chuck D: Make love, fuck war! When I went to Russia, you look at them letters and go, What the hell? Someone told me theyre offshoots of the Greek language, it made all the sense to me. So the statement I was saying all last year when I was touring throughout the world was: Make love, fuck war. And I said, Well you could actually say, Make Love Fuck War, and say it without saying it.
MJ: Its a way to get around the FCC too.
CD:Yeah, if you want to pay attention to the FCC, if you want to pay attention to only one country. But if you really want to use the whole ballpark of hip-hop, it allows you to look at the FCC as being small-fry.
MJ: Youve said everyone in the hip-hop generation, and in the U.S. in general, needs a passport, that they need to get out of the country more often. But at home, weve got an election coming up.
CD: I think a lot of people are saying the agenda should be voting. My thing is, What about December?
MJ: What do you mean?
CD: Aint no matter which way that the election goes, you should always be prepared. You should be a person inside the world with knowledge of your terrain. And if you lock yourself into the 2,000-by-3,000-square-mile, lower-48 box of the United States, youre going to be frustrated by its limitations. You gotta think outside the box.
MJ: Hip-hop is a global force, but the media still presents it with a very American focus.
CD: I dont think a lot of people have been privy to understanding that theres this talent in hip-hop all over the earth thats just as good. Its just that everything out of the U.S. proclaims to be the best, especially L.A. and New York, being that theyre the nerve centers and media capitals of the most predominantly media-emitting country in the world.
MJ: So with Make Love Fuck War are you trying to reach a new audience, stoke a different kind of fire?
CD: With each recording you always try to get somebody different to the table. Just following somebody like Ray Charles early in his career, you always try to expand the boundaries. You dont march to anybody elses drumbeat. Ray Charles is someone who said, You know what? I dont care if you like it or not, this is what Im going to try to do. You all can say Im crazy, but this is what its gon be. I always took that approach. Id rather have a hundred thousand or a million people saying Im nuts and Im crazy for my musical choices and what Ive said lyrically, than a million people all raising their hand on the first day.
MJ: Thats counterintuitive to pop stardom.
CD: A lot of times black folks look for love in all the wrong places. Youre always looking for somebody to love you, be accepted, and theres the insecurities that are even transmitted through rap. Everyone is trying to aim to please too much. Number one: Theyre trying to please whoever signed them to a contract. Number two: Theyre trying their best to appease a gigantic audience and they get this false magnification of love. I came from a thing which nowadays would be the exception to the rule. I came from a mother and father who always made me secure in my beliefs, and thats where the love came from. Which made me look at everything else as, you know, procedure. What am I doing records forlove of millions? Do your thing. They will come.
MJ: You gave the keynote speech at this summers historic National Hip-Hop Political Convention. I was wondering what your impressions were, having been a powerful influence on a lot of the activists and organizers who attended the convention.
CD: People finally said, When do we grow up? If they can send you to war at 18, maybe its beneficial for some people to think that most of us gotta go to war for our own existence. So I was just amazed at these young adults speaking up for themselves, even if its disrespectful to be amazed over something that grown folks should do. I know they are the exception to the rule, and my props go to them as being courageous, as being able to be focused and centered and giving enough to actually work on something that is so beneficial to so many. We dont see enough of that. We dont see the people who are doing real things getting enough props. We often see politicians who are everywhere but nowhere at the same goddamn time. You know the kind of person: You see them everywhere on television but nowhere in front of your face.
MJ: For a generation of young people growing up in a post-Civil Rights era, culture and politics look a lot different than they did 30 or 40 years ago. Do you worry that too many black leaders are trying to be a Malcolm X or Martin Luther King Jr. to the hip-hop generation?
CD: [Sighs.] I think right about now we have to beware of marketed Malcolms and Martins. Real people do real things. A collective of a whole bunch of people who do things in their own locale, in their own neighborhoodsthe sum is bigger than the parts, and the parts will grow. There are too many leaders anointed because they have a public voicetelevision, radio, or record, or whatever. That even includes myself. In the past, Id say, Dont anoint me when you can anoint yourself.
MJ: Lets talk about voting. Youve been involved in Rock the Vote and Rap the Vote, but youre like a lot of people in the hip-hop generation, youre skeptical about what good it can really do.
CD: Of course voting is useful. But then again, I dont put a big glow to it. Voting is about as essential as washing yourself. Its something youre supposed to do. Now, you cant go around bragging, expecting to get props because you voted. Thats stupid. You dont see people running around trying to get props because they washed up. I washed today! I took a shower today!
But if you dont vote, you cant go around if something goes wrong saying, Aw man, stuff just stinks! Well yeah, something stinks because you aint smelled yourself. You supposed to take a shower, dude, or you gon stink! The hip-hop nation is supposed to vote, because if they dont, somethings gonna stink: The draft gets voted in, cats get pulled off to war, the average person is gonna get shot up.
MJ: Youve got a line on MKLVFKWR: Power to the people not the government.
CD: I think governments are the cancer of civilization. And the minute that we see seven or eight women get in a circle and start a war, Ill be shocked like a motherfucker.
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I was once a PE Fan, had all your albums, but after the Flava roast I realised that you'll just Fakers!!!
How dare you claim to be about Black consiousness, and then play the Devil, by leading your Brother to that sorry excuse for comedy!!! I found nothing funny on that show. I thought you was a Strong, Intelligent, Proud Blackman, B.U.T. you just A Black Devil! For... Any man which is made weak and wicked or any live grafted germ from the original, is a devil!!!
ahh man
i'm just some middle class punk from England and this legend has inspired me to be true to your own cause and live life honsetly with brothers of the world. Mr Chuck your message aint lost on me in this age when rappers only talk about bling and bitches. top work fella, keep it up. and when you guys gonna bring that funky [deleted] back to the old UK????????????????
you can email Chuck at mistachuck@rapstation.com
Also, check out the Public Enemy website and click on the "terrordome" link. He posts commentary on a regular basis. Hope this helps
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