Women Attack Street "Admirer" in NYC
| Tue Aug. 22, 2006 3:42 PM PDT
The New York Times had a story recently about an altercation that occurred in the West Village after a man made harassing comments to a group of women walking past him on the street. If you take it from the Times, 28-year-old Dwayne Buckle merely said, "Hey, how're you doing?" to one of the women, and then was attacked by the group and stabbed in the stomach with a steak knife.
But unlike the Times, which relied on Buckle's side of the story, the New York Daily News interviewed police and others who were at the scene. Turns out it the fight probably wasn't caused by a violent response to a "harmless" catcall, but by an anti-gay comment and threat. (The women were reportedly lesbians.)
"He called us [homophobic slur] and he said he was going to f- us all," one of the women said hours later as cops led the seven suspects out of the 6th Precinct stationhouse.
"He spit on us and threw a cigarette," another woman said. "This is a hate crime."
Buckle, though, claims he was the victim of a hate crime.
"It was a hate crime against a straight man by a ton of lesbians," he said. "This is what the world is coming to."
It's clear that there's probably more to this story than the Times reported. No matter what Buckle really said to the women (I'm willing to bet, homophobic or not, that it was more offensive than "How're you doing?"), violence was not an acceptable answer. But it's easy to understand how a group of women walking at 2 a.m. could feel threatened by harassing comments from a man on the street. And the Times' headline was absolutely inexcusable: "Man Is Stabbed in Attack After Admiring a Stranger."
After reading the Daily News' quotes from the women, and having been on the receiving end of some "admiring" comments on the street myself, I think the Times' headline writers should have chosen a more accurate verb. Like "catcalling."
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Sounds like the Times had decided on what stand to take on this and didn't want to dig deeper for fear of offsetting their predetermined 'victim' [the man].
I will say that while violence is certainly not the answer, the climate that President Bush [oh, yes I am] and his croanies have created in recent years is one in which gay people feel very exploited and vulnerable. So add to this the felings of vulnerability that all women experience, and one can see from what place the extreme emotions were coming that led to the act. Having said this, it will be interesting to see how the lesbian aspect to this gets played out on all sides as the story develops.
Submitted by Diane (not verified) on Tue Aug. 22, 2006 4:25 PM PDT.
A disturbing number of these incidents is chronicled on a regular basis at Holla Back NYC (http://hollabacknyc.blogspot.com).
Paul you are very correct about the environment created by Bush and his cronies. In addition to your comments, they have created an environment that is more conducive to violence, since that is they way they handle things. (Seems that violence is their idea of 'diplomacy')
Finding oneself in an opressive social environment, regardless of the cause (popular opinion, outdated social mores, George Bush and his cronies), is Never an excuse for violence. Unless the man physically threatened the women, (which, from both reports, I can only glean that he may have spit in their direction and thrown out his cigarette according to the accused women), there was no cause to stab the guy. Frustration about larger social ills does not justify base, violent behavior. Shame on anyone who defends that position.
Shame on you, Sean, for doing such a miserable job of reading the comments I made. Understanding the influences in violent behavior is important to helping to prevent further violence. Your morality blanket can't put out this fire, so unless you can understand that issues are complex and that there is no shame in analyzing the macro picture of an event, perhaps you should refrain from making such one dimensional entries.
Paul,
I respect your position that social factors can influence a person's capacity for violence--moreso, your assertion that, regardless, violence is never a proper response. I only mean to emphasize that a physically violent response to verbalizations is terribly misguided, and does not deserve to be justified in this blog or in the collective opinion of those who work to dismantle oppresive social structures that can lead to violence. If a person is physically assaulted, then a response in kind with the aim of protecting oneself is a justifiable action. But reacting to alleged hate speech with mob violence--so severe that a person was stabbed in the process--is, at best, counterproductive. Historically, violence has never worked in movements to create equity, acceptance and understanding among disparate groups, and unless something changed in the past few days, it never will. It only serves to further incite those who people perpetuate hateful ideas and spew hateful words. Ask yourself: what was accomplished by stabbing a person for making ignorant and malignant comments? It can only serve to propogate even greater fear and ignorance in the wider community.
Sean,
I respect what you've said here. The question of whether or not there is a productive outcome obviously almost answers itself. Unfortunately, what you and I can agree upon in a safe environment for these considerations, may not have seemed so obvious to the woman whose actions are spurring our discussion, at the time that she was being verbally accosted. Hopefully, with reflection, she voluntarily sees what you and I do, with the remove necessary to act humanely instead of from an animal place of fear and surprise. It goes without saying that this cannot undo the damage already done.
People, we can no longer continue to perpetuate the idiosyncratic ideal that the entire male gender is an automatic threat to the female gender.
We cannot continue to give people to notion that every male is out to rape, pursue, or even merely talk to every female he meets -- for one thing, it is virtually impossible!
We cannot continue to feed our children the morally repugnant myth that "girls are 'sweet' and guys are creeps". This only serves to destroy our moral fiber further and further to levels comparable to that of the ozone.
I have seen things like this happen all the time (though hardly at this level, which I dreadfully predicted would indeed happen). In fact, I have experienced it many times in my youth -- in which I gave nothing but respectful commentary to women and got nothing more than unwarranted badmouthing, deception, and disrespect.
Why should men receive disgusting treatment for being good or great???
Why should men give any woman respect when she exhibits such vile, crude, and negative behavior towards not just men and boys, but also in general???
Who do women really think they are claiming superiority over the world???
Let the record be set straight once and for all, females of the world.
WE, THE MALE GENDER, ARE YOUR EQUAL, whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not, whether you realize it or not.
We are NOT the enemy of the female gender!!! Instead, the female gender in many societies persist to insist on MAKING US ENEMIES -- consistently! You don't find men (in the more GENERAL POPULATION) going about in their daily rounds committing vile verbal or physical acts of hatred toward women on a daily basis in the workplace (where there aren't too many of them), in public, in relationships, in platonic friendships, or especially on the Internet.
Let us be real here for a moment. We know for a fact that the vast majority of men DO NOT HATE WOMEN, so much so that they love women a little TOO MUCH.
Men (and some women writing from the male singer's perspective) write more songs celebrating women ALL THE TIME, be it admiration of the female physique (as tasteless as a good portion of it may be in certain genres) or celebration of their all-around greatness. Very few female musicians have ever celebrated the male gender in recorded music history, especially as we moved into the 1970s. Very few. Now, that, good people, is deplorable.
The male gender, in fact, loves the female gender too much to the point in which they end up in situations like Brother Dwayne Buckle's because many men are blind to the propaganda-propelled hatred many women have against men. Women were never the weaker gender, but the evil that women commit against men, humanity, and many times against their own children, DOES NOT MAKE YOU STRONGER OR GREATER!!!
Women accuse the male gender of so-called hatred of women (read = "misogyny") EVERY SINGLE DAY, yet I do not hear or see any love, admiration or respect from women for the male gender, as I walk the streets looking at girls with nothing but screwfaces.
I often hear nothing but admiration from men about women, and nothing but aggravation from women about men.
I don't see any love from women for men when Oprah Winfrey produces a show on female pedophiles (of which there are A LOT MORE than reported), and virtually hesitated to denounce female pedophile behavior, but when the host of "Dateline NBC: To Catch A Predator" appeared on "Oprah" about a month later, she said to him "You are my favorite person right about now". That's not equality.
Women today, as in history going way back to the beginning of time, are so misanthropic (hateful of male gender), it's not even smilable, much less laughable.
Having beautiful curves or even the blessing of being the bearer of fruit (read = children) DOES NOT give you, the female gender, the license to disrespect, violate, discredit, disavow, or put YOUR hands on members of the male gender. Oh, and for the record, a woman bears the fruit, but a man still plants the seed NO MATTER HOW THE PROCESS OF BIRTH IS CONCEIVED! Just as well, fathers exist among their children. Just because women and the mass American media do not want to speak this truth, does not mean it is not true.
Yes, we have our roles, but we are supposed to work those roles together. For every man who falls in the category of 'bad', there are about 10 women who fall in the category of 'worse', and approximately 5 men who want nothing but a woman's love.
The problem is that many females, most specifically the feminazis and lesbonazis -- extremists who have ultimately disgraced the women's movement and what it was SUPPOSED to stand for, do not want to see this happen. They hate the idea of a man and a woman together in love, unity, and equality, and that is why seven luciferian representatives of the female gender decided to take it upon themselves to try to take another man's life directly and in the open.
We, the male gender, are a beautiful people in spite of what the opposition, and in spite of what our many misguided fellow brothers, and of course, the entertainment industry (especially, the adult side) influences the world to think. And I think above everything else I have declared, most of the people reading this will agree that violence toward this man was totally unwarranted and uncalled-for.
Less a few anatomical differences, WOMEN ARE THE SAME AS MEN!!! And for every evil a woman commits -- especially against humanity -- they must be punished equally as hard.
In the name of peace and TRUE EQUALITY,
D.L. CHANDELL
KILLING THE MYTHS vs. KILLING THE MEN
People, we can no longer continue to perpetuate the idiosyncratic ideal that the entire male gender is an automatic threat to the female gender.
We cannot continue to give people to notion that every male is out to rape, pursue, or even merely talk to every female he meets -- for one thing, it is virtually impossible!
We cannot continue to feed our children the morally repugnant myth that "girls are 'sweet' and guys are creeps". This only serves to destroy our moral fiber further and further to levels comparable to that of the ozone.
I have seen things like this happen all the time (though hardly at this level, which I dreadfully predicted would indeed happen). In fact, I have experienced it many times in my youth -- in which I gave nothing but respectful commentary to women and got nothing more than unwarranted badmouthing, deception, and disrespect.
Why should men receive disgusting treatment for being good or great???
Why should men give any woman respect when she exhibits such vile, crude, and negative behavior towards not just men and boys, but also in general???
Who do women really think they are claiming superiority over the world???
Let the record be set straight once and for all, females of the world.
WE, THE MALE GENDER, ARE YOUR EQUAL, whether you know it or not, whether you like it or not, whether you realize it or not.
We are NOT the enemy of the female gender!!! Instead, the female gender in many societies persist to insist on MAKING US ENEMIES -- consistently! You don't find men (in the more GENERAL POPULATION) going about in their daily rounds committing vile verbal or physical acts of hatred toward women on a daily basis in the workplace (where there aren't too many of them), in public, in relationships, in platonic friendships, or especially on the Internet.
Let us be real here for a moment. We know for a fact that the vast majority of men DO NOT HATE WOMEN, so much so that they love women a little TOO MUCH.
Men (and some women writing from the male singer's perspective) write more songs celebrating women ALL THE TIME, be it admiration of the female physique (as tasteless as a good portion of it may be in certain genres) or celebration of their all-around greatness. Very few female musicians have ever celebrated the male gender in recorded music history, especially as we moved into the 1970s. Very few. Now, that, good people, is deplorable.
The male gender, in fact, loves the female gender too much to the point in which they end up in situations like Brother Dwayne Buckle's because many men are blind to the propaganda-propelled hatred many women have against men. Women were never the weaker gender, but the evil that women commit against men, humanity, and many times against their own children, DOES NOT MAKE YOU STRONGER OR GREATER!!!
Women accuse the male gender of so-called hatred of women (read = "misogyny") EVERY SINGLE DAY, yet I do not hear or see any love, admiration or respect from women for the male gender, as I walk the streets looking at girls with nothing but screwfaces.
I often hear nothing but admiration from men about women, and nothing but aggravation from women about men.
I don't see any love from women for men when Oprah Winfrey produces a show on female pedophiles (of which there are A LOT MORE than reported), and virtually hesitated to denounce female pedophile behavior, but when the host of "Dateline NBC: To Catch A Predator" appeared on "Oprah" about a month later, she said to him "You are my favorite person right about now". That's not equality.
Women today, as in history going way back to the beginning of time, are so misanthropic (hateful of male gender), it's not even smilable, much less laughable.
Having beautiful curves or even the blessing of being the bearer of fruit (read = children) DOES NOT give you, the female gender, the license to disrespect, violate, discredit, disavow, or put YOUR hands on members of the male gender. Oh, and for the record, a woman bears the fruit, but a man still plants the seed NO MATTER HOW THE PROCESS OF BIRTH IS CONCEIVED! Just as well, fathers exist among their children. Just because women and the mass American media do not want to speak this truth, does not mean it is not true.
Yes, we have our roles, but we are supposed to work those roles together. For every man who falls in the category of 'bad', there are about 10 women who fall in the category of 'worse', and approximately 5 men who want nothing but a woman's love.
The problem is that many females, most specifically the feminazis and lesbonazis -- extremists who have ultimately disgraced the women's movement and what it was SUPPOSED to stand for, do not want to see this happen. They hate the idea of a man and a woman together in love, unity, and equality, and that is why seven luciferian representatives of the female gender decided to take it upon themselves to try to take another man's life directly and in the open.
We, the male gender, are a beautiful people in spite of what the opposition, and in spite of what our many misguided fellow brothers, and of course, the entertainment industry (especially, the adult side) influences the world to think. And I think above everything else I have declared, most of the people reading this will agree that violence toward this man was totally unwarranted and uncalled-for.
Less a few anatomical differences, WOMEN ARE THE SAME AS MEN!!! And for every evil a woman commits -- especially against humanity -- they must be punished equally as hard.
Oh, and last but not least -- consider this:
1 man... unarmed
vs.
7 females... with weapons,
one of which was a STEAK KNIFE!
Who carries a STEAK KNIFE in public even for protection,
a weapon that could ONLY FIT IN A BOOKBAG...
unless that person was either mentally deranged...
or out for blood???
I saw one of two tanktop-bearing gay women walking the hot sidewalks of Coney Island amongst a large crowd of people in Summer 2003 carrying a BASEBALL BAT! She's not playing in the baseball simulator (which have their own bats, mind you; she's not from the local minor league baseball team, so where does that leave us. It was clear she was out for trouble, and she was looking for it from a man.
The question left to ask is why? And what of the consequences of her actions if anything did happen?
The female gender cannot hide the truth of themselves and their evil forever, folks. It is merely fire to light the fuse of the long-overdue timebomb of justice for men AND women waiting feverishly yet patiently to explode.
In the name of peace and TRUE EQUALITY,
D.L. CHANDELL
To Deacon,
Thanks for comparing me to a rising star in comedy, but neither the words I speak, nor the tragic deceptions we accept as a human race in life, are in the least bit a laughing matter.
And I do not make generalizations -- I speak nothing but the truth. Just because I just happen to be one of the only men who dares open up his mouth and speak out against injustice against my fellow gender, does not make my analysis of gender relationships and politics any more a generalization than the "all men are dogs" stigmatic category that females consistently teach other girls and women and that many men are too dumb to realize they're feeding into by accepting it.
However, you are right -- I DO have issues. I have issues with a nation who calls itself priding itself on humanity, but blindly ignores it at the same time.
I have issues with a gender who was supposed to have been oppressed over the years and of which a heavy portion continues to have people believe they are about equality and good nature, yet they continue to hide their atrocities and act as if their constant male-bashing tactics are automatically justified.
Once you look deep inside yourself as a human being, and you finally realize that no man or woman should be treated differently, you will have a brighter, more intelligent outlook on humanity.
In the name of peace and TRUE EQUALITY...
Always Watching,
D.L. CHANDELL
According to an update on the case by the F.I.E.R.C.E! organization, there is video footage of Buckle choking one of the girls and ripping one of the girl's hair out before one of the girls defended herself. And two men had also come to their aid to defend them.
I was extremely suspicious of the language used in the mainstream media articles when the case came out. The NY Times described the man as an "admirer" and not a street harrasser. Additionally, I noticed how some articles referred to the girls as a "gang" of girls rather than a group or a clique, creating confusion around the circumstances of the case with language laden with racist assumptions. People need to read news articles much more critically.
To one of the previous posters: Is it any surprise that many women carry things like mace or a knife for self defense when out in crowded public places? Why do you begrudge people who are especially vulnerable to these kinds of assaults the means to defend themselves? The majority of criminal assaults statistically are by men. It's just a fact. It doesn't mean women can do no wrong or that men are always the wrongdoers.
