Harold Ickes Is Not Happy
| Sat May. 31, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
It seems obvious now that there is majority support for the solution supported by the Michigan Democratic Party. That would mean 69 delegates for Hillary Clinton and 59 for Barack Obama (with each delegate getting one-half vote).
But Harold Ickes (and, by extension, Hillary Clinton) are very unhappy. "I am stunned that we have the gall and the chutzpah to substitute our judgment for 600,000 voters," Ickes said. He used the word "hijack" a lot, and said "Hijacking four delegates is not a good way to start down the path to party unity." The big news of the day was the final words of Ickes' argument: "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee." If the crowd in the meeting room is any indication, Mrs. Clinton's supporters want her to exercise that right.
It could be a bluff. But make no mistake: if Hillary Clinton takes this dispute to the credentials committee, she'll be going to the mattresses. Most of the top leaders of the Democratic party have indicated that they do not support this process extending to the convention. If Clinton wants to go down that road, she'll face a lot of opposition.
Before the final vote, Michigan Democratic Party chair Mark Brewer got a final chance to speak in favor of the motion supporting the party's 69-59 split. He thanked the committee for its consideration and promised to work hard for the Democratic nominee.
The measure passed, 19-8.
Now it's time to wait and see how the Clinton campaign responds. If Ickes' speech opposing the motion was any indication, they won't respond well.
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Harold Ickes led the opposition on behalf of Senator Clinton. He made his points somewhat angrily and, at the behest of candidate Clinton, reserved the right to appeal the approval of the Michigan resolution to the DNC Credentials Committee at the convention in August. We are going to hear a lot of bitter talk about Harold Ickes from the Obama camp because of this. But we need to hold on?He has thrown himself under the Clinton bus in self sacrifice and will, no doubt, suffer plenty due to his behavior and his allegiance. It is not the first time he has done this. He sacrificed himself for President Clinton (who he considered to be his "best friend") in 1997. The best buddy President fired him and never looked back. Harold M. Ickes Jr. is a legacy in the Democratic Party. His father was the Interior Secretary for FDR. Harold was an activist in the 1960's, a civil rights worker during Freedom Summer (1964), worked tirelessly for Gene McCarthy, Senator Kennedy and Jesse Jackson, and was the White House Chief of Staff for President Clinton. He is someone that Obama needs to consider including on his "team of rivals" when this thing winds up next week. There is a loyalty in Harold Ickes that is deep and true?One that I cannot help but admire. He has a photograph of Bill Clinton and himself surrounded by American troops in Bosnia with an inscription that reads ''I always knew that you'd go into battle with me but even you need a helmet.''
Harold Ickes led the opposition on behalf of Senator Clinton. He made his points somewhat angrily and, at the behest of candidate Clinton, reserved the right to appeal the approval of the Michigan resolution to the DNC Credentials Committee at the convention in August. We are going to hear a lot of bitter talk about Harold Ickes from the Obama camp because of this. But we need to hold on?He has thrown himself under the Clinton bus in self sacrifice and will, no doubt, suffer plenty due to his behavior and his allegiance. It is not the first time he has done this. He sacrificed himself for President Clinton (who he considered to be his "best friend") in 1997. The best buddy President fired him and never looked back. Harold M. Ickes Jr. is a legacy in the Democratic Party. His father was the Interior Secretary for FDR. Harold was an activist in the 1960's, a civil rights worker during Freedom Summer (1964), worked tirelessly for Gene McCarthy, Senator Kennedy and Jesse Jackson, and was the White House Chief of Staff for President Clinton. He is someone that Obama needs to consider including on his "team of rivals" when this thing winds up next week. There is a loyalty in Harold Ickes that is deep and true?One that I cannot help but admire. He has a photograph of Bill Clinton and himself surrounded by American troops in Bosnia with an inscription that reads ''I always knew that you'd go into battle with me but even you need a helmet.''
At last year's DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, Ickes was one of several Clinton supporters to vote to not recognize any delegates from either Florida or Michigan because the two states were about to violate party rules and hold their contests early.
Sept. 1: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards also sign on to a pledge to skip states that break party rules by holding early primaries.
Timeline of events related to the Michigan, Florida Democratic presidential primaries
http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/19423539.html?location_refe...
Submitted by Mr. Music (not verified) on Sat May. 31, 2008 10:20 PM PDT.
I'm done with Clinton unless she drops out soon after June 3 and campaigns like crazy (and we know she can do crazy) for Barack Obama. I would definitely support taking her down in her 2012 Senate campaign (and I'm a New Yorker who voted for her in 2006) if she extends this to the convention.
Don't the Hillary supporters who cried "McCain in '08!" remember what Ralph Nader did to our Country?
Nader believed he was right, but his colossal egotism, hubris, and chutzpa seduced him into playing the spoiler's role.
Barack *will* support women's rights. Any minority candidate elected to the Presidency will pave the way for other minorities. (Yes, I know, women are *not* a minority, but they are treated as such).
Is the country ready for a Black President? Are we ready for a Woman President?
Were we ready for a Moron President in '00?
Let's us Democrats get our sh-t together and get a Progressive into the White House before we implode in a halocost of $10 gasoline, unending wars, eroding Bill of Rights, and stupid anti-intellectual drivel.
Unless we get our act together, it will be Four More Years of our Country driven into the ground by the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, Rumsfeld, Rove, Bush and Wolfowitz.
Wake up! I've been a resident on this planet for a long time and this is too important a choice for us to leave to petty, personal, selfish motives.
Harold Ickes led the opposition on behalf of Senator Clinton. He made his points somewhat angrily and, at the behest of candidate Clinton, reserved the right to appeal the approval of the Michigan resolution to the DNC Credentials Committee at the convention in August. We are going to hear a lot of bitter talk about Harold Ickes from the Obama camp because of this. But we need to hold on He has thrown himself under the Clinton bus in self sacrifice and will, no doubt, suffer plenty due to his behavior and his allegiance. It is not the first time he has done this. He sacrificed himself for President Clinton (who he considered to be his "best friend") in 1997. The best buddy President fired him and never looked back. Harold M. Ickes Jr. is a legacy in the Democratic Party. His father was the Interior Secretary for FDR. Harold was an activist in the 1960's, a civil rights worker during Freedom Summer (1964), worked tirelessly for Gene McCarthy, Senator Kennedy and Jesse Jackson, and was the White House Chief of Staff for President Clinton. He is someone that Obama needs to consider including on his "team of rivals" when this thing winds up next week. There is a loyalty in Harold Ickes that is deep and true One that I cannot help but admire. He has a photograph of Bill Clinton and himself surrounded by American troops in Bosnia with an inscription that reads ''I always knew that you'd go into battle with me but even you need a helmet.''
Submitted by susan (not verified) on Sun Jun. 1, 2008 6:50 AM PDT.
I was so moved by Harold Ickes speech at the DNC review 5/31. I'm wondering if our votes will ever truly count?
Some of the folks on the panel were self serving and really have no business representing democracy! half a vote and vote splitting. Where is that in the constitution??
Haorold Ickes comments yesterday on behalf of the Clinton campaign flew in the face of two significant items, the violation of DNC rules and Hillary's own comment that Michigan votes would not count. Both of these would yield ZERO delegates for either candidate so what justification is there for words like "hijack" and "fair representation"?
MarthaA says "I wish Al Gore and John Kerry had contended with the Republicans half as much as Hillary Clinton is contending with her own party."
And yet such efforts on her part may well leave us with the same kind of results in the general election. That is worth great consideration at this moment in history.
Submitted by BloggerRadio (not verified) on Sun Jun. 1, 2008 9:12 AM PDT.
I like the idea one commenter put forward ... let's counter every Clintonista supporter's threat to vote McCain with the threat to unseat Hillary in the Senate.
please in the interest of party unity please let this come to a close let hillary withdraw gracefully and unite behind obama do the statesman thing thank-you we need not have more of the bush policies thank-you for your work hillary but is time for change thank-you david
This is a very bad joke at our expense. Yesterday was a slap in the face, who's even running the DNC? No one with cajones, this goes way beyond this election. this was about the future of the party. I hope Hillary takes it all the way to Denver!!! If yesterday was any indication of how MY party now does business, voting only on how it will best serve their candidate, they need to go. What unity? How about the comment "this is as close to Democracy as it gets" Excuse me, I thought we were a Democracy and I've been a Democrat for a long time, not some first timer who's full of posturing and hot air. I say, take it to Denver, all the way!!!
Harold Ickes, Terry McCulife and Hilliary Clinton can all go to hell as far as I am concerned. Hilliary Clinton and her staff cries entirely too much. Noting satisfies those people. AT first they wanted Michigan votes to count, now they are not satisfied the DNC's comprimise. Someone needs to tell her to shut up, sit down and go join the republican party, we don't need the likes of her and Bill crying all the time. Hilliary GO TO HELL!
KATHY, HILLIARY CAN GO TO HELL WITH HER ARGUMENT! THE DNC MADE A DECISION TO INCLUDE MICHIGAN AND GIVE THE VOTERS A VOICE. HILLIARY MAY NOT LIKE IT SO WHAT DOES SHE DO, SHE CRIES AGAIN. HELL GIVE THE BABY BACK THEIR BOTTLE, IF HILLIARY CRIES ALL THE TIME, WHEN DOES THE BABY HAVE TIME TO CRY. DNC MADE THE RULES AND THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY DONE. HERE IS A WORD TO YOU, IT'S OVER! OBAMA WILL EVENTUALLY BE THE NOMINEE. LET'S BEAT THE REPUBLICANS IN NOVEMBER NOW. EITHER FIGHT WITH OBAMA AND THE DEM'S OR GO FIGHT WITH THE REPUBLICANS, EITHER WAY FIGHT AND SHUT UP ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR CLINTON. FIGHT AND STOP CRYING KATHY, BUT LIKE LEADER LIKE PEOPLE, IF YOUR LEADER CRIES ALL THE TIME, I GUESS YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CRY. MY LEADER IS A WINNER WHO DOES NOT CRY, HE ONLY KICKS TALE AND HIS WHIPPING THE HELL OUT OF CLINTON RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHY SHE IS CRYING. "YES WE CAN."
Democrats wage war on democracy. It's the summer before a presidential election and Democratic Party leaders are working furiously to silence dissent before and during their upcoming convention. What's new? In past presidential election years, seated delegates have been denied the right to be speak if it was in dissent of the party line. In the 2006 election cycle, party leaders worked furiously to silence dissent in congressional primaries, strangling the funding of candidates who did not pass party muster. Democracy without dissent is meaningless.
Hillary should go Independent.
She has more supports them most imagine. DO NOT forget that Republicans in most states could NOT voter for her but are standing behind her in record numbers.
Any one who truly loves America could NOT vote for Obama. He is NOT what any good American stands for.
Research Obama because the Media is NOT telling anyone what we need to know about the real obama. He is NOT fit to be a Senator, never mind a President and when the Republicans get started on him, they are going to make all the Darlings of the Democratic Pary look like a bunch of fools that never bother to check into this closet commie's background.
To all of the Delegates who's job it is to see to it that America gets the best possible person to be nominated to be the President of America.
My friends and family are extremely worried about Obama winning the nomination.
We are wondering what Washington DC is doing to keep America Safe?
The Republicans will Destroy Obama and it will be well deserved.
DO NOT be surprised if All of Hillary Clinton's supporters beg her to go INDEPENDENT, or else write in her name in, or last, and worst of all vote for McCain.
I know as a 6th Generation American, there is NO way I would ever vote for someone whom I consider to be totally, Unqualified, and a Danger to America.
This is exactly how most of my Family, friends that live on each Coast from East to West and from North to South, some of us are NY Catholic, Southern Baptist, and from Middle of the Country such as AR, and MO. as well as Liberal Westerns, from AZ, CA & OR.
As for those people being LOYAL to Obama how many of them would have stood behind him if the Media would have done their job and reported on all of the above issues?
When the REPUBLICANs get out all of this info how many of Obama's supporters will still be standing behind him.
It will be another big LOSS for the Democratic Party, and the USA.
Obama voted the same way Cheney did for Nuclear and that's the reason that GE, who owns NBC & MSNBC, are NOT allow to say anything negative about Obama
Would B.H . Obama be able to pass a background security check to be hired as a Police Officer in any Town or County across America, since you are asked these questions.
* Have you ever used illegal drugs?
* Have you ever SOLD illegal drugs?
Is Obama a DRUG Dealer?
Obama admitted to both using and selling Drugs in his book. Obama's words NOT ours.
Is Obama a bigot? Obama's words NOT ours.
* Obama wrote in his book of NOT trusting white people. Would a Police Dept hire Obama with that admission, & attitude, since it would be his job to protect all of the people? How can he be President if he has a problem with White People? His comment about his own Grandmother being Typical of White People, says it all.
Obama's wife, Michelle is UN-Patriotic, as are so many of his friends. Why would Obama be Patriotic when his actions tell us otherwise.
* Rev Wright
His associations with so many very Un-Patriotic People, such as HIs Minister & Mentor Honored, Farrakhan, with a lifetime achievement award. He traveled to Libya with Farrakhan. Rev Wright visited with Castro.
Is this why Obama loves flying that Cuban Flag with the terrorist, Che Guevara, on it
Che was Castro's right hand man, a terrorist who killed 10's of 1,000 of people in Cuba. Check out Fox news @ his Texas office. ( Obama needs to be questioned as to his love of this Flag over the flag of the USA.) In my Patriotic eyes this is insulting and treasonous.
1- Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office!
2- Click here: You Tube - Obama and the National Anthem
* Bill Ayers
Another close friend, Bill Ayers, of the Weather Underground.
Bill Ayers admitted and is known to have bombed, NYC Police Headquarters, the Capitol, the Pentagon.
In 2001, After the WTC, B Ayers said, he has NO Regrets about his past, and he feels he did NOT bomb enough buildings, and he cannot say that someday he might NOT resort to once again bombing some of our buildings.
*Rezko ( on trial in Chicago )
* Saddam's Close Associates Auchi, &Aiham Alsamarrae
( is it NO wonder that Obama feels he can sit with leaders in Iran and the entire Middle East and Cuba.) He is already connected to them thru some of his very friends.
His close friendship Rezko, who has introduced him to Saddam's close ties, Auchi, Saddam's money launder, & Iraq's former Minister of Electricity, Aiham Alsamarrae. When Alsamarrae was arrested and jailed in Iraq, his children called B. Obama and asked for his help in getting their Father released from Prison. These are extremely wealthy people, why are they calling on a JR. US Senator to help them have their Father released from jail in Iraq.?Who is Obama that they would call on him?
Ask yourself why his close friend Rezko made so many visits to Syria in such a short period of time, that got our Govt involved in checking into Rezko and his reasons for so many trips to Syria.
*Obama says he wants CHANGE. What change did he give to his small District in Chicago other than bigger DEBT? SHOW this toBlacks Poor or Rich across the USA. Lets see how much of the Black vote he can hold onto then. You know the Republicans will be quick to point all of this out to them as soon as Hillary Clinton is out of the Picture.
Why is Obama writing letters to IL Governor, on behalf of foreign born people, of such questionable backgrounds as Rezko, to help them get Govt Grants, that are supposed to be for Minority Contractors? Rezko secured a $100 million Grant, to rehab 30 buildings in Chicago. He used a silent black partner to get the bid to a minorities.
The work was done on the very cheap side and the buildings were condemned and foreclosed on. The people ( BLACKS ) in Obama's district had NO HEAT thru out the winter of 05. Obama denies knowing anything about this. This is a small area that anyone and everyone with-in Obama's District knows about.
*Seventeen buildings -- many with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.
* Six buildings are currently boarded up.
* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.
* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.
If this is how Obama runs his small District what makes Obama and all of you in Washington DC, feel that Obama can make AMERICA run more efficiently?
Who in Washington looking our for the BEST interest of America?
* Remember what our Parents taught us
One Picture is Worth a 1,000 Words
Action Speaks Louder than Words.
1-Click here: Bill Baar's West Side: Carol Marin on Obama, Rezko, and slums
2- Click here: Eric Lee: Obama's slum-lord friend
3- Click here: MyDD :: FACT CHECK: Obama, His Contributor Rezko, the Slum Landlord Business
4-Click here: YouTube - Obama and Rezko
5-Click here: EXPOSEOBAMA.COM
* This is what was done with Grant Money adward to Harlem NY from Bill Clinton. This is money properly spent for the benefit of the people. Its a safe & beautiful area.
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*This is just a sampling of how the people of Harlem feels about Bill & Hillary Clinton.
Click here: Harlem church leader endorses Clinton - The Boston Globe
-Click here: 125th Street Journal; Mr. Clinton, Your Harlem Neighbors Need to See You More Often - New York Times
Click here: The Battle For Harlem Heats Up - Politics on The Huffington Post
Click here: Obama faces uphill battle against Clinton's Harlem base | World news | guardian.co.uk
* Obama looking to funnel more money out of the USA.
Obama needs to worry about the Economy of the USA and stop with World Wide Welfare. it's called the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), and it is being sponsored by none other than Senator Barack Obama.
It would commit U.S. taxpayers to spend $ 845 Billion or 0.7 percent of our Gross Domestic Product on foreign handouts.
Just take a good look at HISTORY to see what happens every time we blindly give to 3rd world Nations. The money never goes to the real poor, but to the dictators who run their countries.
We already are more generous than we should be with other countries. If we do anything for the 3rd world nations instead of sending money we should send them some of our products so that we have America working instead of blindly giving money to other nations were the poor never see most of the money that is meant to help them anyway.
ITs time for us to worry about Our Economy and not be a part of Global Welfare System.
* Obama has the WORST Voting Record in the Senate.
Obama is a junior Senator with three years experience in the US Senate. There is only one Senator with more absentee's than Obama, and that is Democratic Senator Tim Johnson of SD. Johnson has had brain surgery for cancer and has been hospitalized off and on for two years.
Obama has been absent more times than any other Senator. He has missed more votes than any other Senator. The only experience Obama has had time for, in the Senate, is his campaigning for president.
* Obama makes too many errors about our Country and our History.
For anyone insulted by Obama, the pompous, stuttering, moron, who thinks he is above everyone else across America. Imagine graduating from Harvard and you have NO clue as to how many states in the USA. Pretty PATHETIC. What can you expect of someone educated in Indonesia until age 10? or was it 14 years old?
Maybe it was a Freudian slip? & Obama got the U.S.A (50 states) mixed up with the OIC 57 Islamic nations.
Click here: YouTube - Obama Claims He's Visited 57 State
* Obama is NOT dignified, or mature enough to be President of the USA.
1- Click here: AOL Search results for "obama gives Hillary the middle finger"
At the last debate that Obama was man enough to attend against Hillary, he was so upset at the questions that were asked of him that the next day he acted like some teenager with a bad attitude. I guess you can take some people out of the slum but you cannot take the SLUM out of some people.
How will Obama act with other world Leaders if he does NOT come off looking good? Will he lose his childish, bad boy temper, and threaten other Nations or their Leader? Lets not forget Obama Threatened to Bomb Pakinstan.
What kind of Adults thought it was Cute & darling of Obama to give Hillary the Finger. That's NOT something that the children of America need to see. It should NOT be Tolerated.
America needs a Leader we can count on who will be able to work with all of America and at times all of the World.
Someone whose History is KNOWN such as Hillary Clinton who has spent her life working hard to make America a better place for all of us, and NOT a big SECRET, like Obama's entire Political History, and his background.
America cannot NOT afford another 4 years of Bush like Politics but it maybe exactly what we get because Washington cannot do its job and research Obama just like we would do a background check on anyone applying for any Govt job.
Washington PROTECT us and let us remain one of the BEST NATIONS in the World.
Caren Martin -
In the words of the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own set of facts".
At the risk of generalizing, the vast majority of Clinton supporters seem to be driven by their emotions, rather than any acknowledgement of any facts on issues. The lack of critical thinking skills and the inability of many people to analyze various perspectives on an issue and ultimately make a "FACT BASED" decision should frighten every single Democrat because it's that failure that has directly resulted in George Bush being elected in the last 2 terms.
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