The First Time Hillary Clinton is Mentioned at the Vice Presidential Debate...

| Fri Aug. 29, 2008 8:49 AM PDT

...Joe Biden better have this clip memorized.

More analysis of Sarah Palin in a minute. For now, here's her resume:

1992-1996: City Councilwoman from Wasilla, AK (pop. 8,471).
1996-2002: Mayor of Wasilla, AK (pop. 8,471).
2003-2004: Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
2006-current: Governor of Alaska (pop. 683,478).

Population of Charlotte, North Carolina: 671,588. Somebody tell Mayor Pat McCrory he could have been the pick!

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Amazing. I just can't believe that they would make such a stupid choice. THis is the most qualified woman they could find? Let's be serious - they picked her ONLY because she is a woman. That says something about the Republican Party!

Freakin' amazing.

Here's Her Resume, Jonathan?

Didn't you leave out this part?
Palin gained much of her prominence as a whistle-blower. After she was appointed by Governor Murkowski to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, she started bucking the Republican Party leadership over ethics lapses. She blew the whistle on state GOP Chairman Randy Ruedrich when he was a fellow oil and gas commissioner. In 2003, he was forced to resign his regulatory post and pay a record $12,000 fine. She and a Democratic state lawmaker filed an ethics complaint against the state attorney general, Gregg Renkes, who resigned under fire.

Maybe it's something you'd rather not have people considering, given MoJo's tendency to kiss the a$$ of whatever hack the Dems end up running.

A stand on Principle would require that MoJo back either the Green candidate, or perhaps Nader. Or, that is if MoJo's principles are what we're led to believe they are.

There's no point in comparing Palin to Hillary. If the dems really want to make points, they should compare Palin to Condoleeza, whom the Republicans didn't pick.

Lest we forget : quayle won!

Oh, and I'm so glad he did! We had so much fun with him, throwing tomatoers and watching him fumble over his Latin. I wish his boss had been half as funny.

I believe that was the 'potatoe' that Kid Quayle was clobbered with, smitisan.
They don't make as big a mess, but they do make a bigger 'dent'.

He's one big reason I was glad BHO looked elsewhere for his V.P. candidate than a Senator from Indiana. The last Hoosier in that office just sticks in my craw.

I do think it would have been good if the 'change' candidate had picked someone who hadn't been in congress 10 years longer than McCain, though.., and one who hadn't voted for both the Iraq war authorization and the Patriot Act.
Those last two, I felt, were fully adequate to justify passing over Bayh, and then he picks another guy with those same negs...

Trying to reprise that quote won't work, because Hillary Clinton is no Jack Kennedy.

She isn't held in such high regard by the public as Kennedy is.

Trying what you suggest here would be more on the order of Reagan trying to use the "There You Go Again..." comment in debate a second time.
He was cut off at the knees when he tried it.

It's likely to get more applause than anything else, if someone points out that Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

I tend to agree. She's a very divisive character. While there were 18 million people within the Democratic primary that voted for her, there were more that voted for Obama and you can't count on women in the Republican party or independents to be supporters of her. Besides her vote for the war, there's a huge chasm amongst those women who see her as an icon of feminism and those who see her support of her womanizing husband, along with her willingness to destroy the women he toyed with, as anathema to feminism. Plus, she represents a brand of feminism not supported by younger women. We're looking for women who succeed by embracing feminine qualities as equally valuable to, and able to stand with, masculine qualities. She represents the idea of co-opting masculine qualities, and often male-bashing, to get ahead, which doesn't promote the valuing of feminine qualities at all.

"Joe Biden better have this clip memorized." I couldn't disagree more. To come up with some insulting zinger would be absolutely the worst thing Biden could do.

Biden shouldn't discuss Palin's qualifications, he should focus on the McCain-Bush connection. Let the press raise the questions about Palin.

You listed Palin's resume thusly...

For now, here's her resume:

1992-1996: City Councilwoman from Wasilla, AK (pop. 8,471).
1996-2002: Mayor of Wasilla, AK (pop. 8,471).
2003-2004: Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
2006-current: Governor of Alaska (pop. 683,478).

Population of Charlotte, North Carolina: 671,588. Somebody tell Mayor Pat McCrory he could have been the pick!

I think it is fine. But in comparison, here's BHO's resume...

1983 - 1992 - Community organizer (pop. 0)
1993 - 2004 - Law Professor, U. of Chicago (pop. 0)
1993 - 2002 - Attorney (pop. 0)
1996 - 2004 - Illinois Senate (pop. 0)
2004 - Present - US Senate (pop 0)
2006 - Present - Presidential Candidate

So what's your point?

Senator Barack H. Obama, J.D.
Best Selling Author
Constitutional Scholar, Professor of Constitutional Law
UNITED STATES SENATOR from Illinois
Member, Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Chairman, Subcommittee on European Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on African Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on East Asian and Pacific Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs and International Environmental Protection
Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
Member, Subcommittee on Children and Families
Member, Subcommittee on Employment and Workplace Safety
Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Member, Subcommittee on Ad Hoc Subcommittee on State, Local, and Private Sector Preparedness and Integration
Member, Subcommittee on Investigations
Member, Subcommittee on Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services, and International Security
Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Elected in 2004, Barack Obama has sponsored 136 bills since Jan 4, 2005. Obama has co-sponsored 653 bills during the same time period.

Recent Selected Obama sponsored bills that Samza admired:
Passed Senate
Jun 26, 2007 S.Con.Res. 25: A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.

Scheduled for Debate
Apr 24, 2008 S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007

Introduced
Jun 3, 2008 S. 3077: Strengthening Transparency and Accountability in Federal Spending Act of 2008

Introduced
Oct 4, 2007 S. 2147: Security Contractor Accountability Act of 2007

Introduced
Jul 26, 2007 S. 1885: Military Family Job Protection Act

Obama's eight years Reprenting 650,000 people of District 13
Highlights of ILLINOIS STATE LEGISLATURE 1997-2004
a SHORT SELECTION OF THE Bills Obama Successfully Sponsored:

Health Care Justice Act, a study of ways to implement a universal health care system statewide.
Requirement that law enforcement videotape interrogations of suspects for serious crimes.
Successfully sponsored law enforcement study of the race of people pulled over for traffic tickets.
Co-sponsored a prescription drug discount buying club program for seniors and the disabled.
Successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform called the Gift Ban Act.
Samza-Selected (based on contrast to McSame and/or distortions of voting record) Excerpts of State Senate Voting record:
--Voted to raise the minimum wage in Illinois.
--Helped pass a 5 percent earned-income tax credit for low-income working families in 2000;
--Voted for having Illinois endorse embryonic stem cell research. (2004)
--Voted to let retired police and military police carry concealed weapons. (2004)

One good one dear to Samza's heart, but that was not successful: Obama worked hard in his sponsorship of a measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. But it was not successful (2002) . He was also instrumental in the passage of an overhaul of the state's troubled death penalty system in 2003, but was not sponsor.

Speaking of Hillary

Speaking of Hillary Clinton: There is bad news about her husband. It is opined that Bill Clinton committed racist hate crimes, and I am not free to say anything further about it. Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Y. Wang, J.D. Candidate B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996 Messiah College, Grantham, PA Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993 (I can type 90 words per minute, and there are probably thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post.) _________________ “If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memories so they never got stale and faded.” Off the top of my head—it came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.

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