Five Alternative Bailout Plans
| Fri Sep. 26, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
The Bush administration is pushing its bailout plan by claiming the only way to save the economy is by having the federal government buy $700 billion worth of bad paper from big financial firms that screwed up. Conservatives should hate this because it is a massive federal intervention in the market. Liberals should hate this because it's a handout to the richest people and companies in America. But the Bush administration and Wall Street are insisting it's the end of the world and this is the only choice. Well, is it this or nothing? Many on Capitol Hill—especially Democrats—are buying the general premise of the White House plan but insisting on lipstick-on-a-pig modifications involving CEO compensation, taxpayer protection, and oversight and transparency. But are there other approaches to the problem besides putting the Treasury in charge of a $700 billion fire sale? Yup. Here's a quick roundup.
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(1) The Planners: The Republican Study Committee, a group of some of the most conservative Republicans in Congress. The Plan: Two-year suspension of the capital gains and dividend taxes to "encourag[e] corporations to sell unwanted assets." The Problem: It won't work. Over at Time, Justin Fox says the RSC plan "seems to be a joke," and explains that it would just make matters worse by actually discouraging banks from unloading bad mortgage-backed securities.
(2) The Planners: Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and some House Republicans. The Plan: Instead of having the Treasury buy mortgage-backed securities outright, insure them and charge premiums, paid to the government. The Problem: It almost certainly won't work. Marc Ambinder has a great explanation of why, but a commenter at Time sums most of it up in a sentence: "Writing insurance requires either a long history of past events or, at a minimum, knowledge of present market prices." There is neither a long history of past events nor a knowledge of present market prices in this case. In fact, as Ambinder points out, there's not even a market for the products that would be insured. That's the fundamental problem, and insuring them wouldn't fix it.
(3) The Planner: Our own James K. Galbraith, an economist. The Plan: Prop up the FDIC. Eliminate the "pointless" $100,000 cap on deposit insurance, put a half-trillion dollars in the FDIC fund, give it extra funding for more employees, and keep another $200 billion in reserve. (There's more in Jamie's article, but the FDIC part is the heart of the plan.) The Problem: It may good policy, but so far, there are few takers in Washington. And there's no major political constituency advocating for it in the way that Wall Street is calling for a buy-me-out bailout.
(4) The Planner: Senator Bernie Sanders (I-Ver.). The Plan: Make the rich pay for the bailout. Impose a temporary surtax on incomes over $1 million. Pass an economic recovery package that puts people back to work. Then re-regulate and break up any companies that are "too big to fail." The Problem: See #3.
(5) The Planner: Hedge Fund Gazillionaire John Paulson. The Plan: Buy Wall Street. No, seriously: Paulson thinks taxpayers (or, more specifically, the Treasury) should buy huge amounts of senior preferred stock in banks. Kevin has more on this, which he points out essentially means nationalizing troubled banks. The Problem: This plan essentially means nationalizing troubled banks. Conservatives will be queasy about it; even Kevin Drum, a liberal, is queasy about it.
Have you come across any other alternative plans? Do you have any suggestions of your own? Leave them in the comments.
Comments
Yeah, this is a fairly radical suggestion. Perhaps you might consider this the most sensible course of action. Thanks and keep up the good fight!
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college ? it'll be there
Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car ? create jobs
Invest in the market ? capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean ? or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG ? liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use of $85 Billion!!
I'm against the $85 BILLION bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It" dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. citizens, aged 18+.
Our population is about 301 million counting every man, woman and20child. So, 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up. Now, divide 200 million, 18+ adults into $85 billion - that equals $425,000.00 each! Yes, my plan is to give that $425,000 to every adult as a "We Deserve It" dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So, let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Everyone would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25.5 billion right back to Uncle Sam! It also means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00!
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00?
· Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
· Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads.
· Put away money for college ? it'll really be there.
· Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
· Buy a new car ? create jobs .
· Invest in the market ? capital drives growth.
· Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves. Enable deadbeat parents to come clean ? or else.
Remember this is for every adult U.S. citizen, 18 and older (including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehmann Brothers and every other company that is cutting back) and of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it! Instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 "economic incentive".
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U.S. citizen!
As for AIG ? liquidate it.
· Sell off its parts.
· Let American General go back to being American General.
· Sell off the real estate.
· Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
We deserve the money and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea, but can you imagine the coast-to-coast block party?!
How do you spell Economic Boom? W-e D-e-s-e-r-v-e I-t d-i-v-i-d-e-n-d! I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion "We Deserve It" dividend more than do the 'geniuses' at AIG or in Washington, D.C..
And remember, my plan only really costs $59.5 billion because $25.5 billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Good idea? I think so.
Virtually our entire financial system is based on an illusion. We spend more than we earn, we consume more than we produce, we borrow more than we save, and we cling to the fantasy that this can go on forever. The glue that holds this crumbling scheme together is a fiat currency known as the Federal Reserve Note, which was created out of thin air by an international banking cartel called the Federal Reserve.
According to Congressman Ron Paul, in the last three years, the Federal Reserve has created over $4 trillion in new money. The result of all this "money-out-of-thin-air" fraud is never-ending inflation. And the more prices rise, the more the dollar collapses. Folks, this is not sustainable.
Already, Bear Stearns was awarded a $29 billion bailout, followed quickly by the bailout of Freddie and Fannie that will cost the taxpayers up to $200 billion. Then the Fed announced the bailout of AIG to the tune of $85 billion. Mind you, AIG is an enormous global entity with assets totaling more than $1.1 trillion. Moreover, the Feds agreed to pump $180 billion into global money markets. And the Treasury Department promised $50 billion to insure the holdings of money market mutual funds for a year. Now, taxpayers are being asked to provide $700 billion to Wall Street.Not only will American banks be bailed out, but foreign banks will also be bailed out. Then again, at least half of the Federal Reserve is comprised of foreign banks, anyway.In other words, the Federal Reserve is preparing to spend upwards of $1 trillion or more. Remember again, this is fiat money, meaning it is money printed out of thin air.
Now, we are facing total economic collapse.
But don't worry: the international bankers will lose nothing?not even their bonuses. They will maintain their mansions, yachts, private jets, and Swiss bank accounts. No matter how bad it gets on Main Street, the banksters on Wall Street will still have the best of it?President Bush and the Congress will make sure of that. This is one thing Republicans and Democrats can agree on.
I know this was posted at least once, but perhaps someone will pay attention to it if it's repeated! Just think of the possibilities!
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that
equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to eve ry person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their
pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your
family?
Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college ? it'll be there
Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car ? create jobs
Invest in the market ? capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean ? or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG ? liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier,
A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
Here is what I sent to my state reps and to Obama AND McCain. I don't care who fixes it- just don't kill us off with the $700 Gajillion joke of a plan!
The Common Sense Fix
Years of bad decisions and stupid mistakes have created an economic nightmare in this country, but $700 billion in new debt is not the answer. As a tax-paying American citizen, I will not support any congressperson who votes to implement such a policy. Instead, I submit the following three step Common Sense Plan.
I. INSURANCE
a. Insure the subprime bonds/mortgages with an underlying FHA-type insurance. Government-insured and backed loans would have an instant market all over the world, creating immediate and needed liquidity.
b. In order for a company to accept the government-backed insurance, they must do two things:
1. Rewrite any mortgage that is more than three months delinquent to a 6% fixed-rate mortgage.
a. Roll all back payments with no late fees or legal costs into the balance. This brings homeowners current and allows them a chance to keep their homes.
b. Cancel all prepayment penalties to encourage refinancing or the sale of the property to pay off the bad loan. In the event of foreclosure or short sale, the borrower will not be held liable for any deficit balance. FHA does this now, and that encourages mortgage companies to go the extra mile while working with the borrower?again limiting foreclosures and ruined lives.
2. Cancel ALL golden parachutes of EXISTING and FUTURE CEOs and executive team members as long as the company holds these government-insured bonds/mortgages. This keeps underperforming executives from being paid when they don't do their jobs.
c. This backstop will cost less than $50 billion?a small fraction of the current proposal.
II. MARK TO MARKET
a. Remove mark to market accounting rules for two years on only subprime Tier III bonds/mortgages. This keeps companies from being forced to artificially mark down bonds/mortgages below the value of the underlying mortgages and real estate.
b. This move creates patience in the market and has an immediate stabilizing effect on failing and ailing banks?and it costs the taxpayer nothing.
III. CAPITAL GAINS TAX
a. Remove the capital gains tax completely. Investors will flood the real estate and stock market in search of tax-free profits, creating tremendous?and immediate?liquidity in the markets. Again, this costs the taxpayer nothing.
b. This move will be seen as a lightning rod politically because many will say it is helping the rich. The truth is the rich will benefit, but it will be their money that stimulates the economy. This will enable all Americans to have more stable jobs and retirement investments that go up instead of down.
This is not a time for envy, and it's not a time for politics. It's time for all of us, as Americans, to stand up, speak out, and fix this mess.
Yeah, this is a fairly radical suggestion. Perhaps you might consider this the most sensible course of action. Thanks and keep up the good fight!
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college ? it'll be there
Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car ? create jobs
Invest in the market ? capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean ? or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG ? liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use of $85 Billion!!
I'm against the $85 BILLION bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It" dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. citizens, aged 18+.
Our population is about 301 million counting every man, woman and20child. So, 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up. Now, divide 200 million, 18+ adults into $85 billion - that equals $425,000.00 each! Yes, my plan is to give that $425,000 to every adult as a "We Deserve It" dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So, let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Everyone would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25.5 billion right back to Uncle Sam! It also means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00!
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00?
· Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
· Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads.
· Put away money for college ? it'll really be there.
· Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
· Buy a new car ? create jobs .
· Invest in the market ? capital drives growth.
· Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves. Enable deadbeat parents to come clean ? or else.
Remember this is for every adult U.S. citizen, 18 and older (including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehmann Brothers and every other company that is cutting back) and of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it! Instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 "economic incentive".
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U.S. citizen!
As for AIG ? liquidate it.
· Sell off its parts.
· Let American General go back to being American General.
· Sell off the real estate.
· Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
We deserve the money and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea, but can you imagine the coast-to-coast block party?!
How do you spell Economic Boom? W-e D-e-s-e-r-v-e I-t d-i-v-i-d-e-n-d! I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion "We Deserve It" dividend more than do the 'geniuses' at AIG or in Washington, D.C..
And remember, my plan only really costs $59.5 billion because $25.5 billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Good idea? I think so.
Virtually our entire financial system is based on an illusion. We spend more than we earn, we consume more than we produce, we borrow more than we save, and we cling to the fantasy that this can go on forever. The glue that holds this crumbling scheme together is a fiat currency known as the Federal Reserve Note, which was created out of thin air by an international banking cartel called the Federal Reserve.
According to Congressman Ron Paul, in the last three years, the Federal Reserve has created over $4 trillion in new money. The result of all this "money-out-of-thin-air" fraud is never-ending inflation. And the more prices rise, the more the dollar collapses. Folks, this is not sustainable.
Already, Bear Stearns was awarded a $29 billion bailout, followed quickly by the bailout of Freddie and Fannie that will cost the taxpayers up to $200 billion. Then the Fed announced the bailout of AIG to the tune of $85 billion. Mind you, AIG is an enormous global entity with assets totaling more than $1.1 trillion. Moreover, the Feds agreed to pump $180 billion into global money markets. And the Treasury Department promised $50 billion to insure the holdings of money market mutual funds for a year. Now, taxpayers are being asked to provide $700 billion to Wall Street.Not only will American banks be bailed out, but foreign banks will also be bailed out. Then again, at least half of the Federal Reserve is comprised of foreign banks, anyway.In other words, the Federal Reserve is preparing to spend upwards of $1 trillion or more. Remember again, this is fiat money, meaning it is money printed out of thin air.
Now, we are facing total economic collapse.
But don't worry: the international bankers will lose nothing?not even their bonuses. They will maintain their mansions, yachts, private jets, and Swiss bank accounts. No matter how bad it gets on Main Street, the banksters on Wall Street will still have the best of it?President Bush and the Congress will make sure of that. This is one thing Republicans and Democrats can agree on.
I know this was posted at least once, but perhaps someone will pay attention to it if it's repeated! Just think of the possibilities!
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman
and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that
equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to eve ry person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their
pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your
family?
Pay off your mortgage ? housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans ? what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college ? it'll be there
Save in a bank ? create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car ? create jobs
Invest in the market ? capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance ? health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean ? or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG ? liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier,
A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
Here is what I sent to my state reps and to Obama AND McCain. I don't care who fixes it- just don't kill us off with the $700 Gajillion joke of a plan!
The Common Sense Fix
Years of bad decisions and stupid mistakes have created an economic nightmare in this country, but $700 billion in new debt is not the answer. As a tax-paying American citizen, I will not support any congressperson who votes to implement such a policy. Instead, I submit the following three step Common Sense Plan.
I. INSURANCE
a. Insure the subprime bonds/mortgages with an underlying FHA-type insurance. Government-insured and backed loans would have an instant market all over the world, creating immediate and needed liquidity.
b. In order for a company to accept the government-backed insurance, they must do two things:
1. Rewrite any mortgage that is more than three months delinquent to a 6% fixed-rate mortgage.
a. Roll all back payments with no late fees or legal costs into the balance. This brings homeowners current and allows them a chance to keep their homes.
b. Cancel all prepayment penalties to encourage refinancing or the sale of the property to pay off the bad loan. In the event of foreclosure or short sale, the borrower will not be held liable for any deficit balance. FHA does this now, and that encourages mortgage companies to go the extra mile while working with the borrower?again limiting foreclosures and ruined lives.
2. Cancel ALL golden parachutes of EXISTING and FUTURE CEOs and executive team members as long as the company holds these government-insured bonds/mortgages. This keeps underperforming executives from being paid when they don't do their jobs.
c. This backstop will cost less than $50 billion?a small fraction of the current proposal.
II. MARK TO MARKET
a. Remove mark to market accounting rules for two years on only subprime Tier III bonds/mortgages. This keeps companies from being forced to artificially mark down bonds/mortgages below the value of the underlying mortgages and real estate.
b. This move creates patience in the market and has an immediate stabilizing effect on failing and ailing banks?and it costs the taxpayer nothing.
III. CAPITAL GAINS TAX
a. Remove the capital gains tax completely. Investors will flood the real estate and stock market in search of tax-free profits, creating tremendous?and immediate?liquidity in the markets. Again, this costs the taxpayer nothing.
b. This move will be seen as a lightning rod politically because many will say it is helping the rich. The truth is the rich will benefit, but it will be their money that stimulates the economy. This will enable all Americans to have more stable jobs and retirement investments that go up instead of down.
This is not a time for envy, and it's not a time for politics. It's time for all of us, as Americans, to stand up, speak out, and fix this mess.
If the current credit crisis stems from the collapsing housing market, it makes sense to stabilize the housing market. Fortunately, we already have a historical model to accomplish this. Among his many New Deal reforms, FDR created the Home Owners Loan Corporation. The government can purchase all foreclosed properties and mortgages approaching foreclosure and reset the mortgages at a more reasonable rate. Properties which are already foreclosed can be refurbished to ensure better long-term value, including such energy efficient upgrades as solar water heating panels and improved insulation. Properties beyond redemption can be destroyed, and the property used for newer, better housing or other appropriate use at market prices.
The cost? With the current foreclosure rate at around 2.03 million houses, and a median house price of 200K, the taxpayers will have to pony up about 421 billion dollars. Throw in another four billion to cover administrative costs and property ugrades, and it's still a bargain at 425 billion. This plan has the advantage of allowing people to remain in their homes and pay their mortages, creating additional jobs through improvement of housing stock, and ensuring that the money spent by the taxpayer is used in a manner that is well-observed and grounded in real values, not hazy market derivatives. Historically speaking, the HOLC of the New Deal even turned a small profit.
There will be some who argue that allowing "irresponsible" homeowners to keep houses they could not afford risks creating a moral hazard. To help avoid this possibility, the program could be restricted to primary residence to ensure it is a homeowner's program, not a tool for speculators flipping properties. But in any case, don't we risk a moral hazard on a much greater scale by bailing out Wall Street speculators and billionaires with little to no oversight?
Main Street needs a fair deal. Wall Street has had things more than fair for the past three decades, and they blew it. Enough of that failed model already.
Thanks, Nick, for making the point that what Congress is pushing isn't the only game in town.
IMHO, it's too bad you had to come down in favor of the two plans that, like Dubya's plan, are essentially to Throw Taxpayer Money At It.
Equally too bad that people who have no record of having enough foresight to have seen it coming are quoted as if they are so prescient that they can definitively state "It Won't Work", and you take it as Gospel.
Submitted by HarryNads.com (not verified) on Fri Sep. 26, 2008 4:04 PM PDT.
#1 - Ridiculous. Agreed that it will never work.
#2 - This is not a fair solution.
#3 - Seriously, eliminate the cap. I guess the solution would be to just print more money when they run out.
#4 - Outrageous! Do these people not know the way of the world?
#5 - That must have been a throw in. Buy wall street? Very funny.
How about Thom Hartmann's plan: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/26 How Wall Street can bail itself out without Deflating the Dollar.
In my opinion, we the taxpaper should be given the opportunity to buy back our mortgages at discounted values that only the buyers (us) and the sellers (the banks) can reach mutually. The funds can come from 401k accounts taxfree (or something less that today). The deal to reach discounted values could mean a pricipal reduction, an interest rate reduction and other loan terms. The government would primarily run this marketplace with both toxic and non-toxic loans. In theory, we could pick up the phone and call the bank and do this deal. Realistically, I am not sure who to call at the bank that can actually negotiate the deal. Either way, once this is all said and done (whatever the plan ends up being), my plan is to figure out how I buy back my mortgage since it appears that the government is basically doing this as my agent. The problem is I have not hired the government to be my agent.
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Yeah, this is a fairly radical suggestion. Perhaps you might consider this the most sensible course of action. Thanks and keep up the good fight!
I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a We Deserve It Dividend.
To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.
So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a
We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
A husband and wife has $595,000.00.
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
Pay off your mortgage housing crisis solved.
Repay college loans what a great boost to new grads
Put away money for college it'll be there
Save in a bank create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
Buy a new car create jobs
Invest in the market capital drives growth
Pay for your parent's medical insurance health care improves
Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else
Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 ( "vote buy" ) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President.
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!
As for AIG liquidate it.
Sell off its parts.
Let American General go back to being American General.
Sell off the real estate.
Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
Here's my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn't.
Sure it's a crazy idea that can "never work."
But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!
How do you spell Economic Boom?
I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion
We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC.
And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam.
Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest.
Kindest personal regards,
Birk
T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy & Citizen of the Republic
PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it's either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use of $85 Billion!!
I'm against the $85 BILLION bailout of AIG. Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a "We Deserve It" dividend. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bona fide U.S. citizens, aged 18+.
Our population is about 301 million counting every man, woman and20child. So, 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up. Now, divide 200 million, 18+ adults into $85 billion - that equals $425,000.00 each! Yes, my plan is to give that $425,000 to every adult as a "We Deserve It" dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So, let's assume a tax rate of 30%. Everyone would pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25.5 billion right back to Uncle Sam! It also means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife would have $595,000.00!
What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00?
· Pay off your mortgage housing crisis solved.
· Repay college loans what a great boost to new grads.
· Put away money for college it'll really be there.
· Save in a bank create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
· Buy a new car create jobs .
· Invest in the market capital drives growth.
· Pay for your parent's medical insurance health care improves. Enable deadbeat parents to come clean or else.
Remember this is for every adult U.S. citizen, 18 and older (including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehmann Brothers and every other company that is cutting back) and of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.
If we're going to re-distribute wealth let's really do it! Instead of trickling out a puny $1,000.00 "economic incentive".
If we're going to do an $85 billion bailout, let's bail out every adult U.S. citizen!
As for AIG liquidate it.
· Sell off its parts.
· Let American General go back to being American General.
· Sell off the real estate.
· Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.
We deserve the money and AIG doesn't. Sure it's a crazy idea, but can you imagine the coast-to-coast block party?!
How do you spell Economic Boom? W-e D-e-s-e-r-v-e I-t d-i-v-i-d-e-n-d! I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion "We Deserve It" dividend more than do the 'geniuses' at AIG or in Washington, D.C..
And remember, my plan only really costs $59.5 billion because $25.5 billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Good idea? I think so.
Contrary to the author's assertions, the bonds in question are not valued at zero. That is the false construct of mark-to-market accounting.
Mortgage-backed bonds do have performing qualities (ie. underlying mortgage payments) and therefore have value, as demonstrated by the sale of ML bonds by Thane at $.22 on the dollar. Ergo, price discovery is sufficiently established for an insurance premium. The bonds have a floor value, thereby removing the only doubt offered by the Time correspondent (which in my opinion was a weak argument to begin with.)
The issue now is how to acquire the bonds without full exposure to the taxpayer.
I suggest that the proposed $700b expenditure be in the form of loans to the holders of the debt instruments. The Treasury should take the underperforming, "temporarily impaired bonds" as collateral. These collateralized assets should be held on the shelf of the Treasury (without the burden of mark-to-market), where the bonds can be re-financed, consolidated or (declared worthless) over the full period of maturity rather than a worthless assessment declared as of today when the market is bogusly impaired.
As the bond market regains confidence, I surmise a large portion of these assets will be able to return to the marketplace as full-valued performing assets, to be re-sold to repay the original taxpayer loans.
As taxpayers, we may not see a real gain, but we will certainly avoid a MASSIVE loss.
In exchange, participating banks will cancel all dividend payments to equity holders until at least half the debt is repaid, all other debts will be subordinated to taxpayers, no commissions shall be paid on the bond sales, and no portion of the proceeds received by the participating bank may be part of any compensation plan.
After all -- this IS a bail out.
It might be noteworthy that for each adult US citizen to receive $425,000 (pre tax) actually requires a government distribution of $85,000 billion. The $85 billion credit line AIG received, which may eventually be repaid, and comes with attached warrants for 79 percent of the company, equates to $425 per adult American - probably not enough to make much of a dent in a householder's mortgage.
Thanks, Dave, for correctly doing the math.
I have a variant of that plan, though, the $10K Solution.
$10,000 to every taxpayer in the US (138 million of them) to be used to pay down personal debt over the course of a year. That's a 1.38 Trillion outlay, which would be repaid $500 per year per taxpayer over 20 years. The money repaid would be earmarked for infrastructure, green economy, health care, and other public works programs. And, of course, this outlay must be followed swiftly with re-regulation of the financial sector, beginning with outlawing the CDO and CDS instruments that brought us to the point we're at today.
The $10,000 would be $20,000 in a dual-income household, and would easily cover payments on a $200,000 fixed mortgage at today's rates.
The money could also be used to pay other forms of personal debt such as student loans, credit cards, auto loans, etc.
Those without debt would be free to use the money as they wish.
Liquidity would begin for the citizen, flow through to the smaller institutions (and larger institutions, as well). Greater liquidity would reduce the risk of further mortgage defaults (of course, a part of this plan could include a mandate to either buy up houses from the extreme cases that would not benefit from the 10K Solution, and/or to guarantee refinances to reasonable terms and away from adjustable rates).
Just my $0.02.
The basis for the collapse in the CDO derivatives market, and the insurance calls being made in the CDS market is the housing market itself. I agree with Christian, and there are certain economists pushing this plan as well. THIS is the 'Main Street' plan. Break the present mortgages, get people back in their houses with 2-4% interest, and perhaps a small downpayment. Include controls on new building and only primary residence help. This will revitalize neighborhoods, stabilize housing prices for everyone, re-employ workers in the housing industry, stop the foreclosures and evictions, and keep houses from rotting and going bad.
I.E. fix the bottom 'card' of the house of cards - and the higher cards will benefit as well. It will mean government control of a great chunk of the housing 'market' - but housing is a right, not a privilege, and it is about time we recognize it.
My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend.
Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
So, somehow, the government is going to tax us enough to 'give' us $425,000 (after the bureaucracy has soaked up it's share), or even $10,000, and then it's going to hit us again for 30% of that? Taxing us on the same money it's Taxed us for in the first place.
And we'll be richer for it?
Is that the idea?
Everyone seems to be missing the point that the government's monetary resources come from OUR productivity, by way of taxing US, in one way or another. And then it takes the cost of supporting itself (bloated bureaucracy) off the top, before the money gets put to any sort of use "on our behalf".
Government, by itself, is not a producer of wealth. It is strictly a consumer of the wealth we create. It may print dollars, but when it prints more dollars than it's taking in (as it always does) then each dollar is worth less (inflation). If it simply prints enough to hand out $425,000 to every adult citizen, then the dollars we've worked for and saved in the past are suddenly worth a damned sight less than they were when we earned them.
This scheme strikes me as totally idiotic. There is No Money Tree growing in Washington, D.C.!
Whoever is proposing this scheme needs to revisit Economics 101!!
We'd be better off if they simply cut our taxes, as this would disallow funding of bureaucracy with the money in question, and so the dollars would retain full value. That, however, would necessitate either cutting the amount they spend (we know how gov't is loathe to do that!!) or inflating the currency (which doesn't even cause them to pause & think any more).
Let Wall Street look after it's own.
They would never have put their own money at such risk if they didn't think the gov't would step in to bail 'em out if it all went south. It's time for our government to tell it's citizens that they are responsible for Their Own Risks, when they willingly enter into them.
Let citizens assume a little personal responsibility for their personal decisions, and Wall Street High Rollers are just citizens like the rest of us.
This is why the "We Deserve it Dividend" could never possibly work, and why it would inflate the dollar and for at least a short time make everything unbelievably expensive while most of us had all those dollars to spend:
"I observe that men of business rarely know the meaning of the word 'rich'. At least, if they know, they do not in their reasonings allow for the fact, that it is a relative word, implying its opposite 'poor' as positively as the word 'north' implies the word 'south'. Men nearly always speak and write as if riches were absolute, and it were possible, by following certain scientific precepts, for everybody to be rich. Whereas riches are a power like that of electricity, acting only through the inequalities or negations of itself. The force of the guinea in your pocket depends wholly on the default of the guinea in your neighbour's pocket. If he did not want it, it would be of no use to you; the degree of the power it possesses depends accurately upon the need or desire he has for it -- and the art of making yourself rich is therefore equally and necessarily the art of keeping your neighbour poor."
-John Ruskin
Robert Reich Proposes Bankruptcy Reorganization on his robertreich.blogspot.com, under the title, "The Coming Bailout of All Bailouts Bill: A Better Alternative ":
The banks as an institution must be saved as they are needed for the distribution of money, making loans and taking deposit.
The US and the world banking system is bankrupt and the US banking system must be put under a process similar to chapter 11 of the bankrupt law, speculators should loose their shirt.
All the money from the fire sale should go to making creditors as whole as possible.
LaRouche has called on Congress to immediately pass his Homeowners and Bank Protection Act; to establish a two-tier credit system, to defend the U.S. dollar, and launch massive infrastructure development projects; and for the U.S. government to join with Russia, China, and India, in convening an immediate New Bretton Woods conference, to put the global financial system through bankruptcy reorganization, and establish a new, fixed-exchange-rate system, modeled on Franklin Roosevelt's original Bretton Woods system
Reference: http://www.larouchepub.com/pr/2008/080924reich_bankruptcy.html
Well, I'm not an economist. But if the current risk to the US economy is the possible freezing of the credit markets, why not use the $700 billion dollars to provide capital to small, local banks to provide the credit services that the big boys are afraid to do. Small business, homeowners, etc. will have access to the resources they need, the local banks know their clients and trust them so can lend with confidence. You could also send some of that money to the states to shore up their finances. I get a little sick and tired of hearing about the "lack of confidence" on Wall Street as if this is a natural disaster. There is a "lack of confidence" because these financial institutions have been lying to each other. They have hidden debts off the books, they have reported bogus assets and nobody trusts them any more. FINE. Don't lend any money and go out of business. I am sure there are a few honest banks out there that would be willing to pick up your clients especially with a little help from Uncle Sam. I'm just a housewife, but why do I have to pay big bucks for Wall Street's garbage when I can give the money directly to the people who need it?
An easier plan would be to lend Wall Street the $700,000,000,000 and then put a surcharge on every share of stock for the next ten years. It's simple. The English used this to help pay for WWI. We generate about 3,000,000,000 shares a day. This would bring in about $300,000 a day and for 250 trading days we'd generate about $75 billion a year in ten years it would all be paid back and we'd make a profit of 50 billion for deficit reduction.
Thom Hartmann wrote an interesting piece on how to bail out Wall St. without costing the taxpayers a dime. The idea is to create a new government agency to manage the baoilout. The treasury would then loan it money to bail out Wall St. firms that are in trouble. The government would then institute a Securities Turnover Excise Tax of 0.25% on stock trades with revenues going to the new agency. For long-term investors who buy stock in companies they believe in and keep it for years adding a quarter of 1% to the cost hardly matters, and even to speculators it is not huge. It is estimated that such a tax would generate at least $150 billion a year, so the $700 billion load would be paid off in 5 years. The US has had such a tax in the past and used it to finance the Civil War, Spanish-American War, WWI and WWII. Many other countries have a similar tax. This proposal is clearly a viable alternative to either giving Wall St. $700 billion as a freebie or even getting stock in return for the money. Wall St. managers might even prefer it to a plan that limited their future compensation.
Virtually our entire financial system is based on an illusion. We spend more than we earn, we consume more than we produce, we borrow more than we save, and we cling to the fantasy that this can go on forever. The glue that holds this crumbling scheme together is a fiat currency known as the Federal Reserve Note, which was created out of thin air by an international banking cartel called the Federal Reserve.
According to Congressman Ron Paul, in the last three years, the Federal Reserve has created over $4 trillion in new money. The result of all this "money-out-of-thin-air" fraud is never-ending inflation. And the more prices rise, the more the dollar collapses. Folks, this is not sustainable.
Already, Bear Stearns was awarded a $29 billion bailout, followed quickly by the bailout of Freddie and Fannie that will cost the taxpayers up to $200 billion. Then the Fed announced the bailout of AIG to the tune of $85 billion. Mind you, AIG is an enormous global entity with assets totaling more than $1.1 trillion. Moreover, the Feds agreed to pump $180 billion into global money markets. And the Treasury Department promised $50 billion to insure the holdings of money market mutual funds for a year. Now, taxpayers are being asked to provide $700 billion to Wall Street.Not only will American banks be bailed out, but foreign banks will also be bailed out. Then again, at least half of the Federal Reserve is comprised of foreign banks, anyway.In other words, the Federal Reserve is preparing to spend upwards of $1 trillion or more. Remember again, this is fiat money, meaning it is money printed out of thin air.
Now, we are facing total economic collapse.
But don't worry: the international bankers will lose nothingnot even their bonuses. They will maintain their mansions, yachts, private jets, and Swiss bank accounts. No matter how bad it gets on Main Street, the banksters on Wall Street will still have the best of itPresident Bush and the Congress will make sure of that. This is one thing Republicans and Democrats can agree on.
I don't quite understand how you fix a potentially seized credit market by borrowing $700,000,000,000.00 in the open market. (Where else is it going to come from???)
I do see a way, and I can't find the obvious holes in it -- I know they are there, I'm just too simple to figure them out. Here it is:
The problem is non-performing mortgages. Money lent, and not being repaid. Everything stems from that -- debt swaps, repurchase agreements, insurance -- all are there to deal with spreading the risk of non-performing loans.
So:
Instead of handing $700B to the very people whose profligacy and poor judgement created the mess, happly it where it could do some actual and immediate good. Think of this like handing $700B to a charity -- you want it to go 99% to the afflicted, right?
Take all those skilled and now unemployed financial professionals and have them process applications for the money.
If you have an "upside-down home" or an "under-water" home, meaning (for purposes of the example) a $200,000 house in real current value with, let's say, a $220,000 mortgage which you'd happily walk away from, you apply to this fund for a payment. You have to live in the house. You have to be in, or in danger of being in, foreclosure proceedings.
You get: $110,000 of your mortgage paid off immediately. You now have a $200,000 house with a $110,000 mortgage. Your house payment goes down by nearly one-half.
The lender gets: 50% of his money RETURNED, thereby directly capitalizing the balance sheet of the lender and making it once again liquid and a reasonable credit risk for major banks. Overnight credit, which is what is "freezing" now, becomes a regular, liquid market again.
The taxpayer gets: 50% ownership of your home, as follows: Whenever the house sells, the Treasury receives one-half of the PURCHASE PRICE -- NOT the equity, the PURCHASE PRICE -- meaning, in our example, if the homeowner with the now low payment sells his house in 5 years for $260,000, the Treasury gets $130K, the mortgage is paid off, and the homeowner has about $25K in equity to take with him/her.
The homeowner will, in order to get this "bail-out", have to agree not only to the 50% of purchase price, but also that the house can not be refinances, hypothecated, or transferred, except in probate, and that the terms of the deal go with the house. It would require the execution of a new deed of trust. Just like a regular mortgage requires fire insurance, this one wourl require that the homeowner maintain the home.
I'd start doing this for owner-occupied houses. I would reluctantly extend it to speculator-owned homes for the following reason:
If you bought 20 houses for nothing down, you are only living in one of them. Someone is probably living in the other 19, or most of them. Those people, called "tenants" or renters, are truly innocent in all othis. They are paying their rent, and if the home is foreclosed out from under them .... well, that's pretty unfair.
Worse: if they get bounced out of the house and it lies empty, then the stock of housing has been REDUCED, and the number of people seeking housing has been INCREASED, which puts pressure on rental costs and is inflationary.
Meanwhile, this plan makes is much less likely that people "flip" the homes, because it will take a while for the market to stabilize and values to begin to rise enough for there to be a reason to sell. And if fewer people are doing this, the "bubble" doesn't grow as fast -- a more orderly and reasonable increase in housing values occurs.
You see, one of the main reasons this is a problem at all is not so much the "greed" of Wall Street, as the trickle down greed to Main Street -- people, about 25 years ago, stopped thinking of their home as a shelter -- in the true sense, from the elements, and in the financial sense, for their retirements years -- and began seeing it as an active investment to be turned over and leveraged. This idea would, I think begin to reverse that trend.
In short -- mortgage holders are re-capitalized -- still getting a "gift", but with some ability for that to produce value through the economy. Homeowners stay where they are. Foreclosures stop. People keep their jobs, throughout the economy. More disposable income exists because house payments are lower. More tax revenue accrues to the Treasury, because there are fewer deductions for interest because the indebtedness is reduced. And the relief goes to real people, not Lehman Brothers. Mortgage lenders will be very willing to re-write the new mortgages, at a low fixed rate, because the loans will perform and will carry 45% equity (even though the equity is held by the government).
So why has nobody else thought of this? Is it just too simple?
Joanne Sunshower writes: Thom Hartmann wrote an interesting piece on how to bail out Wall St. without costing the taxpayers a dime. The idea is to create a new government agency to manage the baoilout.
OK. Stop Right There!
How do we create yet another new Federal agency without costing the taxpayer a dime?
Are the people who'll do the work for this agency going to work for free?
Are people going to donate the buildings, supplies, vehicles, telephones, computers, networking, electricity, water, security, and everything else that it takes to operate a federal agency?
Money 'loaned' from the Treasury is going to come from where? Who provides it?
Either they have it on-hand (don't make me laugh...), or they BORROW it, in which case the taxpayers are on the hook for the interest, if nothing else.
And WHO among us believes ANY federal agency can run a break-even enterprise?? And if anyone DOES believe it, can you show me the agency that has done so in the past?
Brian C. suggests: I have a simple plan. The Government should just sieze the assests of all the CEO's, mortgage bankers, real estate agents and others who caused this problem.
I'd suggest we sieze the assets of the people who REALLY caused the problems.
That would be The Politicians & Bureaucrats who always think they can legislate "what's best for the economy". Only every time they try it, we eventually see that they were essentially clueless.
But that's OK (for Them).
They always get us to blame the people who were wise enough to prosper under the new laws, regulations and rules the politicians have created, letting them off the hook, and letting them act like they know how to be the saviors, fixing what they don't want us to remember they were responsible for in the first place.
And every time, Jack & Jill Workingstiff end up the poorer for it all.
Only problem is, the same politicians & bureacrats who bear ultimate responsibility aren't about to let their failures become part of the public debate, and they most certainly aren't going to pass any legislation that punishes them for the mess they've created.
Sean wrote: So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
Dude, I don't think you've thought your cunning plan all the way through.
$85B divided by 200M is not $425,000. It's $425. As in, under a thousand.
But if that's enough to finally pay off that pesky mortgage, good for you.
LMAO!
The guy is off by a factor of 10-to-the-3rd power, and we're supposed to take his plan seriously?
Even if he DID start with a number big enough to pass out $425,000 to every adult, there are still a myriad of reasons why it would make us worse off instead of better.
EXTORTION is the name of the game. It is extortion these Wall Street capitalists are pulling on Congress when they say if Congress doesn't give them the money FREE, then everything will collapse.
Put them in jail for extortion if they do not want to personally borrow the money making government liens against their capital assets to keep the economy from collapsing.
Worthless securities that are worthless for them are worthless for the taxpayers, and should not even be considered as collateral; way too risky; they must provide collateral other than their worthless securities. They do have capital collateral and they need to provide it, and sign a lien against their equivalent capital assets for the money being borrowed at the going rate of interest; for 20yrs, 30yrs or 50 yrs. This is just. They did it --- they need to suffer the slings and arrows of their misfortune of their own making. NO MORE FREE RIDES FOR CAPITALISTS.
All Congress men and women who are not DLC-Republican Lite EXTREMISTS or REPUBLICAN EXTREMIST should vote against any FREE BAIL OUT of the irresponsible, unaccountable Marie Antoinette capitalists. Of course, the Republican Lite EXTREMISTS and the REPUBLICAN EXTREMISTS are looking for a FREE RIDE at the expense of the taxpayers and are seeking a FREE BAIL OUT.
These extortionists need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, quit groveling and do it themselves, just like the average Joe is expected to do.
MarthaA observes: EXTORTION is the name of the game. It is extortion these Wall Street capitalists are pulling on Congress when they say if Congress doesn't give them the money FREE, then everything will collapse.
Yep.
And that shining, heavenly example of all that is right with America, Barack Obama, is ready to give them what they want, just the same as that hell-spawned example of the worst of America, John McCain.
Third Party or Independent, anyone?!?!
CHANGE, anyone?!?!
"The Two-Percent Solution"
By an act of Congress set owner-occupied home mortgages at a 2% interest rate for the next two years.
Call it a "Moratorium." Give Main St. the prime rate that Wall St. gets.
This stops foreclosures and stabilizes the bundled mortgage-based securities. The bond holders will be able to quickly calculate how much income will be coming in for the next two years. Massive write-offs by Wall St. securities firms will stop. Real estate prices will stabilize.
And it won't cost taxpayers a dime.
It addresses the moral problem of this situation which is that everyone who bought a home has been ripped off - not just people with subprime starter periods in their loans.
It is much simpler than waiting for people to get into foreclosure and burdening our court system with a responsibility it can't handle. Individuals can never match the power of a financial institution - even with court-assisted mediation. Congress has the constitutional power to regulate commerce domestically and internationally.
As individuals and as a nation we have to earn our way out of debt. The only way to do that is with an interest rate we can afford.
After Congress and the people figure this out we try 2% on past credit card debt, 2% on credit for home insulation, 2% on home solar equipment, etc.
We need the time to figure out how to regulate the mortgage and financial industry. Try cutting realtor fees from a percentage to a flat fee. Cut mortgage initiation fees. Reduce leveraging, short-selling; redo bond rating, make new financial instruments apply for congressional approval.
The bailout will be a huge mess if it ever gets started. The "Two-Percent Solution" is simple. It sends the right message to the places around the world that hold "liquidity" - that deception, thievery and usury are against the principle of the people of the United States... and that we the people will take back the authority to understand and regulate the "industy" of finance.
MarthaA, Again, you're flashing your whole card! Your outright loathing for the Repub's is showing through like a pimple broadcasting it's ugly head. What a sight!
This loathing gets in the way of anything intelligent you may accidentally one day spout. The Republicans are the minority in the House & Senate these days. Did I forget to tell you...again.
I'm not saying Bush isn't complicit; I'm saying, your a left wing loon. Get some help, or just learn something.
The heart of the problem is the glut of foreclosures, with many more to come. My idea is to start with a 90 day moratorium on foreclosures while legislation is enacted to essentially create mini-RTC (Resolution Trust Corporation) entities in each state. These entities would be run by each state under guidelines spelled out in the federal legislation. This would be a partially funded (2/3 federal?) mandate. The concept would be to maximize income for each property while an orderly process of placing some of the homes on the market would occur over time. The problem mortgages would be divided into three groups with three different solutions: those that could keep their mortgage with some minimal assistance, which would be provided in the form of subsidized fixed rate mortgages; those that can't afford a mortgage but could still live there and pay enough rent so that only a small subsidy would be needed; and those that had no business buying the house in the first place would lose their homes, but the homes would be rented to maximize the cash flow to the lender (people have to live somewhere). I thought a year ago that this step, or something similar was needed, but who am I...?
Wow. How many idiots on this site can't do math? Get a calculator before you go on your rant. You just make yourself and your position look foolish. It's 425 per person, not 425,000... Everyone hates the bailout. Out of the 200 Billion they have already spent HALF has gone to the CEO's and Directors in severence and exit bonuses. That's what this is all about. The greedy SOB's that caused this problem have reduced their organizations to such a sorry state that there is not enough equity (money) available for them to exit with their big "golden parachute" exit packages. So they go to the government and swing a deal at the taxpayers expense. And still, NOTHING is done to help American families keep their homes.
Here are some alternatives:
Part 1:
Pass a law with a retroactive cap on mortgage rate interest (say 8%). The purpose would be to adjust all the ARMs that have gone sky high and made home unaffordable to people. Banks currently can't renegotiate these loans because they don't own the loans, which were sold off as securities. That's why the government says buying them will help. This will accomplish the same thing without $1 of federal money.
Part 2:
Allow bankruptcy judges to redefine mortgage contracts. Judges are allowed to change credit card contracts to make the debt affordable. With secured debt, however, the person in bankruptcy either has to give up the asset or pay in full. In this market, people would rather give up their house because it's value is so low. Allowing judges to adjust the mortgage to a more market-sensative amount would encourage people to stay in their homes and allow the banks to make some of their money bank. The bank is going to lost more money in a foreclosure so this is in everyone's interest. Unfortunately, no one can do this now because judges aren't allowed to adjust mortgages and banks don't own the mortgages.
Bruce suggests: Pass a law with a retroactive cap on mortgage rate interest (say 8%). The purpose would be to adjust all the ARMs that have gone sky high and made home unaffordable to people.
Are you sure you want to have federal government set such a precedent?
You really want to tell them that they have the power to redefine existing legal contracts between private parties, whenever they decide to claim "it's for the public good"??
Reminds me entirely too much of the concept that government can seize real estate from a private owner and turn it over to a private developer because they've decided to claim "it's for the public good". And I think the abuses of power would end up being very similar, should they decide they CAN redefine existing private contracts.
I think the rich should pay for this mess, it was their greed that got us into this. Instead of putting blinders on mortgage rates and surprises in the fine print, they should have said no to beigin with and all of these businesses wouldn't be bailing each other out and closing brick and mortar stores. People get foolish when it comes to greed.
To: The Honorable Dr. Ben Bernanke, Ph. D., Federal Reserve Chairman
EXTREMELY URGENT:
09/17/2008
(This plan was faxed on 09/17/2008 to Bernanke, Paulson, Pelosi, Reid and President Bush, all apparently ignored or at least rejected this to date!)
70% of the economy is consumers and 70 to 80% of us are tapped out.
35% to 45% of us lack jobs that pay a decent living wage.
10% to 15% of us don't have a job at all worth mentioning.
40% to 50% of us are in deep debt.
20% of us have no health insurance.
THE Solution that will work:
"Relief checks", huge ones, $2,500.00 for every household with incomes under 150k per 2007 tax returns every 90 days until the system is successfully re inflated or else we all go into at deflationary depression. Even for those households without any 2007 income must receive $2,500.00 "relief checks". These checks all need to hit all mailboxes in 30 days. These checks will almost all be deposited in banks, will pay down debts, stimulate the economy through increased consumption and of course re inflate all the banks, all at the same time in swift fashion. But they need to be huge checks to work, and as many as required until the system is successfully re inflated from the "bottom up".
Dr. Bernanke, you have the chance to save us but you must have the courage to do so. Please strongly consider this. Re inflate from the "bottom up" or I just know all other efforts will fail to work. I have studied this subject and the macro facts for 24 years. I know you're scholar of the history of the Great Depression yet I believe you may not yet understand the dire need to "re inflate from the bottom up" to avoid disaster.
You can give the banks a trillion or more but they will still refuse to loan freely and with ultra low rates. And consumers and business will still refuse to borrow unless in they are in full panic mode and of course all those loans to will end in default. Re inflating from the bottom up is the only way to stop the current vicious and most destructive cycle of asset destruction / deflation.
Bottom Line: Either we "kick start" the system from the bottom up or we face a decades long deflationary depression again. Hyper Inflation efforts will fail in the worst fashion if attempted. Please, think long and hard about this. Review it with other bright minds. Ask me any questions you desire but above all else act swiftly as the time is almost out. We are facing the point of no return! Let's stop the deflationary forces before it's too late and avoid any silly hyper inflationary tactics that are surely doomed to fail if we fail to act correctly now with "relief checks"!
Sincerely,
Christopher Bean
Rebuild the Economy from the Ground up, Literally | Columbia Spectator
http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/55869
