Take This as Tacit Black Support for Gay Marriage
| Tue Nov. 18, 2008 7:53 AM PST
Here's Beyonce, Paul Rudd, Justin Timberlake (he's almost black, right?), and Saturday Night Live working it through, ahem, the 'back door' for gay rights (scroll to last video).
A reach, I know. But Will Saletan at Slate thinks blacks will eventually get religion about homosexuality, too.
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Jane.Rauch, hear what the greatest of the philosphers and sociologists say, Marx condemned the sexual freedom advocated by Fourier and Saint-Simon as a relapse into a "bestial" state of "universal prostitution". Engels condemned homosexuality among men of ancient Greece in two separate passages of The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, describing it as "morally deteriorated", "abominable", "loathsome" and "degrading". Marx apparently shared Engels' views, writing that "the relation of man to woman is the most natural relation of human being to human being" and describing the author of a text promoting sexual freedoms as "that queer prick" ("Schwanzschwulen"). According to the socialist writers Hekma, Oosterhuis and Steakley, Marx and Engels saw any form of sexuality outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage as a kind of degeneracy fostered by capitalism, which could be cured by socialism. According to Engels, "natural moral principles" would flourish in the socialist future, when (heterosexual) "monogamy, instead of declining, finally becomes a reality ? for the man as well, and homosexuality would simply disappear.
August Bebel's Woman under Socialism (1879), the "single work dealing with sexuality most widely read by rank-and-file members of the SPD," was even more explicit in warning socialists of the dangers of same-sex love. Bebel attributed "this crime against nature" in both men and women to sexual indulgence and excess, describing it as an upper-class, metropolitan and foreign vice.
Jane.Rauch, hear what the greatest of the philosphers and sociologists say, Marx condemned the sexual freedom advocated by Fourier and Saint-Simon as a relapse into a "bestial" state of "universal prostitution". Engels condemned homosexuality among men of ancient Greece in two separate passages of The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, describing it as "morally deteriorated", "abominable", "loathsome" and "degrading". Marx apparently shared Engels' views, writing that "the relation of man to woman is the most natural relation of human being to human being" and describing the author of a text promoting sexual freedoms as "that queer prick" ("Schwanzschwulen"). According to the socialist writers Hekma, Oosterhuis and Steakley, Marx and Engels saw any form of sexuality outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage as a kind of degeneracy fostered by capitalism, which could be cured by socialism. According to Engels, "natural moral principles" would flourish in the socialist future, when (heterosexual) "monogamy, instead of declining, finally becomes a reality ? for the man as well, and homosexuality would simply disappear.
August Bebel's Woman under Socialism (1879), the "single work dealing with sexuality most widely read by rank-and-file members of the SPD," was even more explicit in warning socialists of the dangers of same-sex love. Bebel attributed "this crime against nature" in both men and women to sexual indulgence and excess, describing it as an upper-class, metropolitan and foreign vice.
I don't think we will change minds via the entertainment industry. It's a matter of educating people about the origins of gay behavior. Among those with lesser education and more evangelical tendencies, science is either misunderstood or devalued completely. As people really get it that gayness is as changeable as skin color, they may have more compassion. After all, isn't this what religious people are about?
yes freelyb, it is about eductation from a Freudian view point. My four theories of homosexuality:
Homosexuality arises as an outcome of the Oedipus conflict and the boy's discovery that his mother is castrated. This induces an intense castration anxiety that causes the boy to turn from his castrated mother to a "woman with a penis," i.e., a boy with a feminine appearance.
In the Three Essays, Freud developed the theory that the future homosexual child is so overattached to his mother that he identifies with her and narcissistically seeks love objects like himself so he can love them like his mother loved him.
If a "negative" or "inverted" Oedipus complex occurs, a boy seeks his father's love and msaculine identification by taking on a feminine identification and reverting to anal eroticism.
Finally, homosexuality could result from reaction formation: sadistic jealousy of brothers and father is safely converted into love of other men.
I may not, according to your rules, indulge in a metadiscussion, which, for example, involves commenting on another blog. For me, as a philosopher and a sociologist, a psychoanalytically oriented discussion of the origins of homosexuality strangles my quasi-individual cogito,a faculty which does not even validate my existence. I wonder how much free speech is permitted here on this site. In Foucault's early antimentalistic phase, a multitude of discourses were simply freely floating from one mindless mind-set to another, much like Richard Dawson's self-propagating memes that pass through the sociosphere like self-replicating viruses contagiously infecting a semi-rational species in which free will is, for the most part, a fantasy.
Jane.Rauch, hear what the greatest of the philosphers and sociologists say, Marx condemned the sexual freedom advocated by Fourier and Saint-Simon as a relapse into a "bestial" state of "universal prostitution". Engels condemned homosexuality among men of ancient Greece in two separate passages of The Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State, describing it as "morally deteriorated", "abominable", "loathsome" and "degrading". Marx apparently shared Engels' views, writing that "the relation of man to woman is the most natural relation of human being to human being" and describing the author of a text promoting sexual freedoms as "that queer prick" ("Schwanzschwulen"). According to the socialist writers Hekma, Oosterhuis and Steakley, Marx and Engels saw any form of sexuality outside of a monogamous heterosexual marriage as a kind of degeneracy fostered by capitalism, which could be cured by socialism. According to Engels, "natural moral principles" would flourish in the socialist future, when (heterosexual) "monogamy, instead of declining, finally becomes a reality for the man as well, and homosexuality would simply disappear.
August Bebel's Woman under Socialism (1879), the "single work dealing with sexuality most widely read by rank-and-file members of the SPD," was even more explicit in warning socialists of the dangers of same-sex love. Bebel attributed "this crime against nature" in both men and women to sexual indulgence and excess, describing it as an upper-class, metropolitan and foreign vice.
