At the White House, Joking about a Torture Investigation?

| Tue Apr. 14, 2009 11:58 AM PDT

I was asked to go on Hardball on Tuesday night to discuss the news that Spanish prosecutors are likely to recommend a full investigation be conducted to determine if six former Bush administration officials—including ex-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales—ought to be indicted for having sanctioned torture at Guantanamo. So I thought I'd ask White House press secretary Robert Gibbs about the matter.

This could become a true headache for the White House—a high-profile case in which Spanish prosecutors bring charges against Gonzales; Douglas Feith, former undersecretary of defense; David Addington, former counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney; William Haynes, a former Pentagon lawyer; and John Yoo and Jay Bybee, two former Justice Department officials. Several steps must occur before any prosecution proceeds. If the prosecutors determine a full criminal investigation is warranted--as is expected--it will be up to a Spanish judge to open a full-fledged inquiry that could produce indictments. He could decide not to accept the recommendation. And, of course, it's possible that an investigation could end without indictments. The Spanish hook for the case is a simple one: Five Guantanamo detainees were either Spanish citizens or residents. And, by the way, Spanish courts claim jurisdiction that extends to other nations when it comes to torture and war crimes.

What would the Obama administration do, if the Spanish judge currently overseeing the Bush Six case, Baltasar Garzon (who is famous for pursuing terrorists and for having chased after Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet), greenlights the investigation? At the Tuesday afternoon White House daily briefing, I asked Gibbs if the administration would cooperate with any requests from the Spaniards for information and documents. He had a predictable response: "I don't want to get involved in hypotheticals." He quickly pivoted to point out that Obama has moved to prohibit torture at Gitmo and elsewhere.

I posed a follow-up: Have you spoken to the Spanish government about this case? He seized on my use of the word "you" and, with a broad smile, said, "I have not spoken with the Spanish." Reporters in the room laughed. I obviously did not mean him personally; the "you" had referred to the Obama administration. Nor did I mean, I added, Bill Burton, the deputy press secretary, or any of the other press aides in the room. The point was whether the administration had been in contact with the Spanish government about the Bush Six investigation. "The Justice Department?" I asked. Gibbs, though, essentially brushed off the question: "I would send you to Justice. Like I said, I've not spoken" to the Spanish government.

That, too, was to be expected. Often White House press secretaries say, take your query elsewhere. Yet moments later, when a reporter asked Gibbs if Obama had any reaction to the conservative groups organizing "tea parties" of protest on tax day, he replied, "I've never monitored them nor spoken with the Spanish about them." People in the room laughed. And when the questioning in the room turned to the all-important subject of the Obama's new Portuguese water dog, Gibbs continued the joke. Noting that the dog might be spotted on the White House lawn later in the day or that it might not, he added that "the dog has also not talked to the Spanish about impending torture cases." More laughter. But I wondered, had the press secretary just made a joke about a torture investigation? Gibbs, like other press secretaries, uses humor to disarm, deflect, or dodge. But was this untoward?

The president and his aides do not seem eager to investigate the alleged misdeeds of the Bush-Cheney administration. The political calculation is obvious and not without justification: There's a lot of hard stuff to get done these days and probing former Bush officials could be seen as a distraction and possibly undermine political support for the administration and Democrats in Congress. But such political figuring may not influence the independent Spanish judicial system and Judge Garzon (who has been asked by Spanish prosecutors not to continue handling the Bush Six case because he is already overseeing terrorist prosecutions against these ex-Gitmo detainees). If an investigation proceeds, Obama could well have to decide whether or not to comply with Spanish requests for US government documents--that is, to help or hinder the investigation. Later in the process, Obama could even conceivably have to contend with extradition requests. If any of this comes to pass, it won't then be a laughing matter.

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No one EVER expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Government by "representatives" has become a sick joke. The Rules: Kiss up and shit down; lie 'til you die and kill the messenger. We should long ago have tried the very successful Swiss "co-determination" method of letting Parliament AND the People make laws. The most evolved project for a hybrid direct/representative democracy here is led by former Sen. Mike Gravel. Registered voters can now vote to ratify the National Initiative for Democracy at http://Vote.org, much as citizens ratified the Constitution at the Conventions when the Legislatures wouldn't!

You have to be kidding

What are you Ed Henry now? David Corn I thought you were better than this. Grow a pair and quit crying just because you were the brunt of the joke today.

re-read the article, dufus

re-read the article, dufus

I agree with sgwhiteinfla -

I agree with sgwhiteinfla - David, I think you're getting a bit delicate about this and overreacting. Was it the most tasteful joke ever? Probably not -- but he's not really joking about torture, just repeating an awkwardly phrased answer to a question which drew laughs . . . poking fun at his own response to your question. I think that given the number of lunatics who are convinced that Obama is Satan incarnate, we should focus on rebuilding the economy, health care, etc. before we devote energy and effort to recounting every sin of the Bush administration. There will be a time and a place for that -- a long, long time given the number of his misdeeds -- but if the new administration spends all of its time and energy re-hashing all of Bush's crimes before we've had a chance to fix the disaster he left behind, it's not going to get us anywhere, and while the economy continues to spiral, you're just going to elicit more rabid nonsense from these right wing loons. There's no statute of limitations on the most horrific crimes committed by Bush and Cheney, so we'll get to them in due time.

TORTURING IS NO LAUGHING MATTER

I am so ashamed to be an American, I left the country 2 years ago and never want to return because of ignorant soul less creatures like yourself. David Corn, thank you for writing this article. Gibbs should be ashamed of himself. I voted for Obama. I would never vote Republican. But the sad fact is that there seems to be little difference between the parties these days. They are ALL bought and sold by the corporate elite scumbags.

You know what? I have a

You know what? I have a feeling all this is going to come out, because the world is a lot bigger than the United States, and the world wants the truth. So let him joke about it for now. Let him dig his hole.

joking about torture

Torture really is a strange thing to joke about -I'm pretty surprised. .

Come on, torture is *hilarious*!

Why else would everyone know why to laugh whenever somebody name-checks the Spanish Inquisition? Hell, I've got that Mel Brooks number running in my head right now. When did the left turn into a collection of humourless tits?

Gibbs's behavior bothers me

Gibbs's behavior bothers me tremendously. He tried very hard to make your important question seem trivial. I guess our only comfort here is that he overdid it. He wasn't very funny, and in fact he repeatedly drew attention to the question which, surely, most people recognized as no joking matter even if, in their servility, they laughed.

More on this case emerging

Good work, David. I speak for many bloggers when I say we trust you to deliver the truth, unlike any of the mainstream media sycophants who hover starry-eyed over every word Gibbs offers. I guess their jobs require pliancy. They've forgotten what happened to the last White House Press Corps: the angry Bush reaction to Colbert, and the use of the press corps as a propaganda arm for press releases from WHIG. Libby/Miller, Jeff Gannon softballs and playing the overzealousness of Robert Novak, with a little prompting from Armitage...total lack of respect. I presume the abuse of the key fifth estate continues, a great portion willingly offered up by corporate conglomerates who are to their employees' detriment not doing so well since they abandoned the truth about WMD and terrorists in Iraq. See more on this story--yes, it is that--at my post on smirkingchimp (ask not at whom he smirks, he smirks at you.)

Robert Gibbs doing this

Robert Gibbs doing this makes me sick...and thanks a lot Mr. Obama for supporting the Rule of Law for us! Looks like we have to count on the Spanish people to stand up for us here in America. Keep in mind that everything Bush & company did was based on 9/11. The shredding of our Constitution and our basic rights. The fake wars. The deaths of over a million Iraq citizens. The deaths of thousands of our brave soldiers and the disabling of hundreds of thousands more. The illegal spying. The torture. The hundreds of billions of our tax dollars transfered to their own corporate war machine or "lost" through fraud. Their endless lies. And let's not forget that steel frame buildings can not and do not collapse at almost free fall speed into their own footprints (THE PATH OF MOST RESISTANCE, see www.journalof911studies.com for the scientific explanation), because that's impossible without a whole lot of preparation! It's time for Obama & Congress to wake up to the fact that the public knows all this and demands justice for all these CRIMES.

dems are complicit

Dems are complicit in torture (and wiretapping and corporatocracy). Pelosi and Reid were informed of torture (and wiretaps) in 2003 and they approved, hence they dont want it in the light. Our govt works just like the mob - make sure everyone is a criminal, and no one will ever rat you out. Obama is pro-torture, bank bail outs, wiretapping, rendition, etc. He's a globalist ho. do not be fooled by his slick rhetoric... his ability to speak, and his alleged 'liberal' leanings make him more dangerous than Bush. Time for a revolution. p.s. A group of physicists and chemists have released a report showing hard evidence of thermite (explosives) in WTC 1, 2 & 7. Peer review to follow. Stay tuned. http://www.visibility911.com/reports-thermite01.php

Thermite is not explosive

Thermite is the product of a highly exothermic reaction, but it is not explosive. The oxygen needs to be mixed with the fuel previous to ignition for a reaction to be explosive. In the thermite reaction, the Oxygen is stored as metallic oxidation (normally, but not necessarily iron oxide or rust) until it is freed by the introduction of high temperatures (usually another exothermic reaction, like the liberation of Oxygen from Barium Peroxide). PS - PopMech has a long and detailed story debunking most of the claims about the WTC, including the controlled detonation theory. Or alternately, you can visit the NIST link provided below.

dems are complicit

Dems are complicit in torture (and wiretapping and corporatocracy). Pelosi and Reid were informed of torture (and wiretaps) in 2003 and they approved, hence they dont want it in the light. Our govt works just like the mob - make sure everyone is a criminal, and no one will ever rat you out. Obama is pro-torture, bank bail outs, wiretapping, rendition, etc. He's a globalist ho. do not be fooled by his slick rhetoric... his ability to speak, and his alleged 'liberal' leanings make him more dangerous than Bush. Time for a revolution. p.s. A group of physicists and chemists have released a report showing hard evidence of thermite (explosives) in WTC 1, 2 & 7. Peer review to follow. Stay tuned. http://www.visibility911.com/reports-thermite01.php

Some hot-house flower you

Some hot-house flower you are. You think because the pool giggled that Gibbs' off-the-cuff reply was intended to be funny? Honestly, the self-important interpretation you conjur. Look at the length of your "article" - wouldn't you say that's a tad disproportionate to the situation? Any reasonable person would. But in your world, Gibbs is the front man for some vast cover-up, all because he didn't accord you the wide-eyed respect you think your question deserved. I'm so tired of ego-swollen hacks like you.

Torture is torture.

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This issue is not going away anytime soon and torture has no statute of limitations so please keep plugging away at it. The Dems may ignore it just as the Repubs did, they work for the same Master after all, but we cannot rebuild our country on this swamp. Obama has to keep his promise and return this country to abide by the rule of law. We cannot regain the title of the Leader of the Free World with this hanging on our head. Ignoring our history of torture gives "our enemies" the higher moral ground and therefore gives us no authority to lecture them on anything. Protecting our war criminals will cost us plenty.

All I have to say, as an

All I have to say, as an Ex-USAmerican and now very proud resident of a much more progressive and intelligent Spain and European Union, is VIVA ESPANA! Go get 'em! And, Abby, I have to say I'm soooooo tired of hearing about the US as the "Leader of the Free World". How can you lead anything when you are behind the group? Behind in just about every advanced/progressive way of thinking in the developed world - Climate Change, universal health care, human rights, death penalty, civil rights, equal rights for LGBT people, environmental protection, militarism, neo-colonialism, state sponsored terrorism, corruption by a free market vulture economic system (witness the economic collapse caused by this bankrupt ideology) etc. The US lags behind anything the rest of the progressive, developed western world stands for. The US voted against the Kyoto plan to tackle Global Climate Change (greed, the reason, as usual and this by the great environmentalist Al Gore and his neo-lib buddy, Clinton), voted against UN resolutions to ban land mines, child labor, cluster bombs ad nauseum and always to protect profits of corporations. Uncle Sam led the way again by joining with the usual suspects, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lybia and all those medieval countries to vote for some of these most offensive of votes. The US joined with these, and other backward countries, against a Euorpean Union sponsored resolution to ban the persecutions and executions of homosexual people around the world too last December. Some leader, huh?! If you, like so many other brainwashed USAmericans, believe this propaganda that your successive governments have blinded you with (along with the "Oh poor USAmerica, everybody hates us even after all the wonderful and benevolent things we have done for them", but should read "to" them) then no wonder you find yourself confused with the hostility the US is greeted with around the world. I can assure you as a now resident of the more advanced in every way that matters EU, the US is looked at with disdain and disappointment. We get a better look at US actions than you do from your Corporate-owned US "news" media, who act more like cheerleaders for US policy (which, of course mirrors that of their corporate owners), and it isn't pretty. The US is seen as a bully, sponsor of State Terrorism and neo-colonialist by just about everyone in the world. You should ask yourself why. This isn't for no reason. Do some thinking. The US is the only country in the world that has actually USED WMDs - it dropped two! nuclear bombs on two! civilian cities, not war targets, it has blackmailed, assassinated leaders, sent in CIA Economic Hitmen & assassins, applied great economic pressure, launched military invasions etc. to advance US Corporate Capitalist "Interests" and "Values" all over the world from Chile, to Nicaragua, to Iran for decades (don't you notice how often those two words are used by US leaders, but are never actually defined?) If you really want to know what your country and its Corporate backed leaders have done to the world for a very long time (look back at the Spanish-American War and the War with Mexico, where the US stole 1/2 of Mexico and Spain's remaining colonies under bogus "wars" and pretexts for a couple of good examples) then there are many good books out there like "Confessions of an Economic Hitman", by John Perkins and my all time favorite "The Shock Doctrine", by Naomi Klein which is thoroughly referenced and reads like a good thriller once you get into it. Read that and you can never think about things the same again ever. See the murders and sufferings of millions of victims of US corporate/government policy on countries all around the world for decades to make the world safe for US style Vulture, Free Market, Unregulated Capitalism and profit for the very few at the expense of the vast many. It is the story of evil cloaked in words like "democracy", "values" and "human rights", but there is NO evidence to back this cynical view up and only the brainwashed, ignorant, average USAmerican believes it, but then, they're the ones who "vote" in the leaders and actually pay for all this brutality, bullying and mayhem so they're all that counts. Why do you think the US has thousands of bases (the pentagon prefers the word "sites") in foreign countries when the US and its people would never allow another country to place military "sites" on US soil (not fair, is it?). According to the Pentagon report of 2008 the US maintains 761 "active military sites" in foreign countries. Counting domestic military bases and those on US "Territories" (colonies to anyone else) there are a total of 5429!!!! Is that Defense? NO! That is for Offensive military policy. Think about it. The US is, and has been, always at war somewhere with someone - always they're the bad guys of course, "terrorists", and you poor sucker taxpayers are always paying through the nose for all of this military invasions etc. to enrich the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned about 50 years ago, like Haliburton, Bechtel, Lockheed, Boeing, The Carlyle Group (the Bush group), Blackwater et al. And look at how many of those war-profiteers and robber barons produce presidents and vicepresidents, reps and senators etc. - Cheney and Rumsfeld have revolved in and out of US government jobs then right back into high paying jobs with several of the above named corrupt companies. Meanwhile USAmericans live in the most stressful, violence prone of "developed" societies where 47 million have no health care, 36.5 million (and growing) live in poverty, 1% of the population owns over 60% of the wealth, the infrastructure is crumbling, and the infant mortality rate of a third world country. It is shameful! There will never be Real Change until this corrupt system of government by, for and of the Corporate Vultures, Robber Barons and War-Profiteers ends. Inform yourself and then act.

David, you're not the first

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David, you're not the first person Gibbs has joked about and you probably won't be the last. My best guess, is that it's a nervous tic. He's done it to other reporters not just yourself and not just your question. As an earlier commenter said: "Grow a pair."

dhampton100 dayton ohio I do

dhampton100 dayton ohio I do believe that most people are going to be very pleasantly surprised when they see exactly how our young new President handles all of this mess that the Bush administration created. I also think that we are asking way too much of him in such a short period of time. If anyone has been paying attention you will notice that Mr. Obama is a pragmatic, slow thinking but when he drops the hammer he make sure it is dropped in a way that its smashes with maximum impact. I do not believe he is going to allow these men and women tortured by the Bush administration for political desire and devious ends by the likes of Karl Rove. I think he is simply very- very busy at the moment. No one can dispute that he has done more in his first 100 days than Bush did in four years, His name ain’t Jesus…give him time to right the ship. Karl Rove ain’t going no damn where. He’ll be around for his hanging, don’t worry. I really think Obama will, in the end, do what is right which is, in my opinion: hermetically seal all these no good bastard UNDER the nearest jail as soon as he finishes right the ship of our economy.

Torture & The Special Olympics

The "humor" indicates the Pathology. A slip of the mask, from The Obama Deception ~

You wrote a whole article about this??????

Good lord, rather silly of you to go on about this.

Glib Gibbs

Like Snotty and Show Job before him, this will come back to haunt him. He is becoming an arsehole propagandist at speeds never seen before.

Glib Gibbs

Ooops I meant Snow Job instead of Show job ...

For all you conspiracy nuts

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For all you conspiracy nuts out there: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm Re: WTC collapse. Check it out. Might restore your faith in the capability of the government not to blow up its citizens for no apparent reason. Unless you think it was staged so that we could go to war-- then you're beyond the reach of reason. And you're just angry. Best of luck and etc.

I am a conspiracy nut

Wow thanks retro, I was so blind and angry and unthinking before you posted this completely irrelavent link to the NIST THEORY of why the world trade center collapsed. I thought that there were so many questions that had yet to be answered that had little to do with the actual collapse itself. Like the insider trading angle, (what does the NIST tell us about that retro?). You aren't even worth the time I have already wasted. Go fuck yourself moron. Angry? You have no fucking idea.

Gibbs

I think you are totally in the right to be offends for his ignorance to you and the question about torture. I have a couple times called the Democratic party{our former dem party} and complained about his mocking ,snarky attitude ,he has contempt for anyone that asks a question that he doesn't want to answer, so like all good bullies he tries to belittle the person. He is one of the worst even up against bushes ,there is such contempt he displays thats disturbing.

gibbs

offended not offends

Top Down Torture

Laughiing about being accused of torture. The new administration has a strange understanding of "humor" and what torture means. By its actions, to date, there is little if any evidence, that anything is being done to expose the people, institutions and government agencies that played parts in this evil activity. Every God fearing citizen should consider the activities and those who participated in them as the most degenerate form of humanity. The born-again Mr. Bush has a great deal to answer for. Mr. Obama apparently, feels that these issues are in the past and not worthy of deep analysis. He is wrong and his presidency will, in part, be measured by his poor sense of moral responsibility. The people of the United State deserve better

Why bother with the NIST

When so many capable people including scientists have done such an excellent job of debunking it? I'm guessing because your from a U.S government financed public relations firm. And whats your opinion of the PNAC outline - not evidence of motive? I think it is. I think at one point 2/3rds of Americans agreed with me. And what happened to WTC 7?

Why were the dozens of Israeli agents posing as students

in the New York area arrested and then released, apparently after pressure from high up zionists in the U.S government and from Israel lobby groups? And why has the U.S government classified information linking Israelis to the attacks on 9/11? Is it true that a van full of Israelis - with a large amount of cash, boxcutters and explosive residue on them - were found celebrating the burning towers while capturing it on film? Is is also true that they too were found to be linked to Mossad and were even on Israeli television claiming they were there to 'document the event'? If these things are true - which they certainly seem to be ......why don't you care?

Reality Check. Pop Mech = Crooks investigating themselves..

Popular Mech = Set up straw man arguments for Hearst. Most of their EXPERT sources worked for Bush Administration.

Press Secretaries

The job of a Press Secretary is to evade answering any questions which have not already been answered by the administration. When evasion is not suitable, the Press Secretary's job is to lie. Gibbs will evade any questions about state secrets or torture or imprisionment without trial or wiretapping as long as he can. If the time comes when he can no longer evade without political consequences, he will lie.

FUNNY!!

These fucks all laugh at our expense. There is ZERO difference/ ZERO change between Bush, a dipshit and a liar and Obama, a dipshit and a liar. I sure DID hope for a while there. Well fuck hope. Nothing is ever going to change. Too bad, as I am increasingly being entertained by the notion of all their still smiling heads on pikes, (now there is HUMOR). By that point all will be lost anyways, shit it's all lost now. Most of you don't even know it yet. GO OBAMA, (and take Bush with you please).

This article is an example

This article is an example of just the sort of moderating check a lot of these new protest books need.

Good One.

Good One.

Quick reality check: Read

Quick reality check: Read this article, or read all of Walden? Walden. Case closed. Nice try, but you are a pimple on the ass of Thoreau, and you have no idea how facile and shallow you are. I'll look for the hound, the horse,and the dove, thanks. I assume you'll text yourself, or google yourself. No wait, I know--go [deleted] yourself. Thanks for the waste of time.

I don't think that

I don't think that deprivation per se was Henry Thoreau's concern. He had seen his neighbors unhappy in their lives, and heard them say they had no choice. So, the experiment to determine the level of necessity - the point being that anything beyond that was a matter of choice. He is saying, "Live the life you want", not "Live like me."

I do think it is cheaper to

I do think it is cheaper to do this, and I think it also gives us a way to explore "what really matters" as a question in our lives. plus i feel like less of a sucker -- and also less of a metrosexual, and more like an ordinary man.

This article is an example

This article is an example of just the sort of moderating check a lot of these new protest books need.

Yes, some of these

Yes, some of these experiments have expiration dates. But not all. I began my plastic-free life a year and a half ago (http://www.fakeplasticfish.com) and have no intention of quitting. It's actually not as hard as most people think, and with a sense of humor and easy-going attitude, you can get others to follow along.

Where could I find this

Where could I find this book? Or better who would give me that? Ben at panic away review and pit bike sale guide

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