Are the Birthers Helping Obama?
As Dan noticed yesterday, Chuck Norris, who makes apple pie look un-American, is wondering why Barack Obama won't just release his original birth certificate (as opposed to a "certification of live birth," which is good enough for pretty much all of the rest of us). I was talking about this with some friends last night, and we covered all the obvious reasons: it won't convince anyone who isn't already convinced (reasonable people are), it won't actually make the "controversy" go away, and the White House has nothing to gain from engaging the birthers.
But maybe there's something else going on here, too. By not releasing the certificate and making the birthers even madder, the administration is probably benefiting politically. Reasonable people think the birthers are crazy. By keeping the media spotlight on them, the administration can continue to brand the Republicans as a party of marginalized nutjobs. E.J. Dionne concern-trolled this yesterday:
[The Republican] party is being defined by extremist voices who have faced little push-back from its leaders.
The extremists include the "birthers" who, against all evidence, insist that Obama was not born in the United States and thus ineligible to be president. These guys are so out there that party leaders and commentators have started to disown them.
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But to take advantage of the opportunities that might come their way, Republicans will have to make themselves an acceptable alternative. They have not done this yet. Facing down extremism and breaking out of the party's regional enclave would be good places to start.
If the White House thinks the birther movement is hurting the Republican party, they might refrain from doing anything that could cause the GOP to totally marginalize the group—like releasing the original certificate.
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This is just like the 9/11
This is just like the 9/11 conspiracy nuts. Noone with half a brain believed them either but in the end their hatred of Bush infected the country and pushed the GOP out of power.
Noone with half a brain thinks that Obama was born in Kenya but the hatred that birthers have for Obama is beginning to infect the rest of the country. The Dems will be slaughtered in the 2010 elections.
The GOP was pushed out of
The GOP was pushed out of power by their own spectacular incompetence. 9/11 conspiracy theories had nothing to do with it. The birther conspiracy is hurting the GOP so it makes no sense to assume that a year from now it will suddenly turn and hurt the Democrats.
Birthers - response to "this is just like the 9/11"
This is not just like 9/11; get a grip. Bush popularity went up after 9/11, he just squandered it away being who he is. Dream on if you think the Republicans will slaughter the Dems in 2010. The Republicans are unmasked, unclothed and undeserving.
birthers
Get real - the fringe wackos do not need a reason to hate Obama. They hate all Democrats and those few Republicans who don't follow the party line. That hated Dems for a long time now. These whackos actually believe they are the mainstream.
I am one of those "9/11
I am one of those "9/11 conspiracy nuts".
You should read this article, in the open chemical physics journal:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/000000...
No one [actually two words] with half a brain can legitimately refute the evidence.
More Nut Jobs
That doesn't make any sense at all.
"Their hatred of Bush"wasn't an infection. He made us hate him. The GOP has pushed themselves out of power through fear-mongering and intolerance.
Why are Republicans so focused on the 2010 elections? It's not like the the last Presidential election was rigged.
I thought the birth
I thought the birth certificate wasn't allowed to be released, which is why they have the cert of live birth instead, which is recognized as official proof of birth anyway. Or at least lots of Hawaiians have been getting state IDs with it.
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
It's no surprise that Hillary Clinton is in Kenya today to reinforce the cover-up.
I don't trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want answers. Obummer, put up or get out!!!! All he has to do is make the following official public statement,
"I Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release and make public all of my records on file."
That's it. Issue over. But he won't because he's a fraud!! Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding? and most disturbingly, why don't BHO's supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there's a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a "natural born" citizen of the United States.
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS!!!!!
Obama correctly sees that it
Obama correctly sees that it is not his duty to prevent birfers from embarrassing themselves. He is the President and he does have actual duties that take priority over catering to the demands of disturbed people.
For "Obama, Stop Hiding"
If you don't trust any politician, is it safe to say you won't be voting Republican when the time comes?
Pssst....hey, Captain
Pssst....hey, Captain Steve.....it never was an issue, except to crazies like you.
And no, I didn't vote for Obama. There are lots of things I don't like about him. But I can also still think straight. lol
SHOW US YOUR OTHER RECORDS
Yeah, like your communist party membership card and your Islamic baptismal certificate.
Birther
Sir! You need to take your medicine! President Obama is President! He won the election and his Birth Certificate has been posted over and over and over! Do you not think that the fact that John McCain and ex-Gov. Palin checked this out?! If they thought something was wrong do you not believe that they would have used this during the campaign or were they both just stupid! OMG!
The Fraud in Chief
Obama is truly a fraud - "Image can conceal a lot" they say in Chicago. Mr. Hope and Change has not proved his natural-born citizenship , but he is bankrupting us quickly. Despite his promises, he is also transparent as a rock. If he can't or won't show proof of being a natural-born citizen, he needs to step down or be removed.
Hey Captain
You're not CaptainSteve of the 101st Fighting Keyboard Commando's are you? Don't you have a teabag, oops, I mean Healthcare rally to attend?
Why are you giving time to these fools?
I care about what chuck norris says as much as I care what mel gibson thinks - not at all! These idiots seek attention... and they should thank you for providing it. It's all a joke, and they are a joke... a great joke on Colbert and Daily Shows!
Birthers
The birthers are all a bit nuts part of the fringe kooks that like to think they run this country, they really should find more productive things to keep them busy.
Chuck Norris
If Chuck Norris thinks Obama is a Kenyan and not a natural born American, why doesn't he just go to the White House and kick Obama's ass? After all, Norris knows karate and that's how he takes care of the bad guys on TV. Come on, Chuck. The birthers are all behind you. What more do you need?
birth certificate/college records
It is not a hated of President Obama, no far, far from it. it is a concern for the rule of law. The Constitution requires under Article II that the president be "natural born citizen'--very simple. What is disconcerting is the thousands and thousands of dollars spent by the Obama machine to prevent disclosure not only of the long form birth certificate but all college, law school and medical records of the President. Congress held a full hearing last year to detrertmine that John McCain met the citizenship requirment of "natural born". McCain disclosed all college records as well as 1500 pages of medical records. Presient Obama refuses. So the question is why? We, at least those of us who read hsitory, know all about our former presiednts --where they went to school. grade point averages etc. So what is so special about Barack Obama that his are to be hiddenf rom public view? That is the question--if there is nothing there--disclose--if there is something that could thwart his standing (for example stating on his college record that he was a foreign exchange student and applying for scholarships as same) this is why the non-disclosure. The American people have a right to know ALL about their President.
WTF????
I love how people get so distracted by nothing. The real issues, like why haven't republicans demanded that Haliburton return the billion dollars they lost in Iraq or listened to the troops who are returning from the war you supported and not getting proper medical and mental health care -a whole lot of crap to clean up from eight years of your guy. But you want to obsess about a birthcertificarte like the FBI and everyone else involved would conspire to let a KENYAN be president!!!WTF!
Hey Republicans, take your own advice and show some personal responsiblity! If you did half the stuff you could be doing to clean up the mess Bush made you'd have your hands full!
chuck norris
Norris, who champions a tricky defeated presidential preacher/Fox Host as America's most holy of holy men, and who is embarassingly dense, could cause some comfort to Sarah Palin should any suggest that she has the lightest baggage in the republican enclave.
Norris conceives of America and its plights like a comic book to be read, rolled up, and whammed down hard on the head of the "bad" guys.
Chuckland. A place without even a shadow of gravitas.
Can we not be spared these weightless neon brayers?
Are the Birthers Helping Obama?
This conspiracy theory by right wingers will whack them big time in the foot. It will be like a nail in the coffin.
Obama Illegitimate..but wait there's more
A COLB is not a birth certificate - it merely shows that you completed the paperwork claiming the infant as yours. I know..I have delivered the babies and given them out. Whether intended or not, Obama was born in Kenya and therefore is not legitimate to serve as President. I would feel the same from this standpoint if it were Reagan or Kennedy. Not natural-born = not President. As such Obama must be exposed and thrown out - because he sure won't resign peacefully. By usurping the Constitution and lying to the American people, he is a traitor.
But wait......there's more. Not only is Obama a traitor as above...he is a blooming communist ! (a wee bit unConstitutional also) He is trying hard to strip the middle class of any power- and money means power. He is tryiing to bankrupt the United States "with good intentions." Obama must be stopped and hopefully peacefully - but if he keeps it up I am fearful that we could once again have an internal civil war. That would spell the end of this glorious United States as we have known it. Call your senators and congressmen now - stop Obama by corralling his power in Congress NOW ! Why do we have czars than Russia??? Hmmmmmmm........
What a whack job you are
What a whack job you are gbmpython! I don't think that your reasoning even needs to be considered by rational people.
Birthers would want an amendment to the constitution!
You can be sure that the birthers would want an amendment to the constitution so that Arnold Schwarzenegger would be eligible to run for president.
Amendment?
I do not want any amendment to the Constitution for Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger or anyone else not born on US soil to run or serve as President. Is there anything wrong to trying to stick with what our founding fathers designed?
It is amazing how the
It is amazing how the wingnuts line right up on every issue, totally predictable, right on cue. And, they never contribute anything that is thought provoking or trustworthy. Just the same distortions and lies.
yes!
Yes, this is so true. The problem is their utter laziness of finding details other than thru their false prophet or limbaugh, repub party or Senator. They check no facts. None, zilch, zero.....is this an intelligent voter?? I wouldn't want him on my side without an intellect and a strong opinion based on fact not bluster, but facts are confusing to 'fascists'.
Why spend millions of
Why spend millions of dollars to hide something if you have nothing to hide? Obama is a phony puppet Socialist Muslim who wants to see America turn into AMERIKA. And you can take that to the Bank of Obama ie...The FED. Illegal entity that it is.
Oh...and hey you Liberal
Oh...and hey you Liberal above my last post....Way to change the cnversation when he had you on the ropes. A-Typical if a Libtard.
Chuck Norris
I've always admired Chuck Norris as a martial artist. But I found both him and his "Walker, Texas Ranger" TV show a little too right wing-nut-ish and America-wacky. So I'm not surprised that he is a birther.
The hatred these people have for Obama is astounding...they hated him and blamed him for many things (e.g. the economy) b4 he was elected! I never _trusted_ George Bush, but it took a full 3 years with him as POTUS to get me to hate him. And I can't say that I ever made any irrational accusations about him...the type of person he was became obvious to everyone eventually, though some wingnuts liked him even more for that.
The Birthers "issue"
It is my understanding that taking the oath of office of President of the United States forever satisfies all challenges as to the prior competency of the office holder. Thereafter, he may only be removed upon conviction in impeachment for acts committed while holding the office. In other words, once sworn in, the President is not guilty by the fact that such challenges were not perfected before the ceremony.
As for Chuck Norris, he was never competent.
Birthers! Insanity is the key word here!
Birthers are absolutely insane. Nothing you write or say will change their state of mind as they do not have a mind that is "free-thinking"! O'Reilly, Hannity, Faux News, Palin and all of the other crazies have spoon fed them so much they can not see the truth about anything! Birther's are haters, racist, bigots, fools, malcontent and possibly gun toting mental case KILLERS who will not stop believing idiocy even if they were shown a Birth Certificate with a SEAL! Rant and Rave and mob mentality is their modus operandi and they will not listen to reason even if what they are doing will do nothing for them. These fools who do NOT even have health insurance are out screaming at Senators and Congressmembers that they do NOT want health insurance! OMG!
Immaculate Deception
Interesting that we are derided as "birthers." Perhaps it is those that love the religion of communism and / or islam that love Obama as a black messiah or demi-god that are the problem. No birth certificate must affirm his deity. Messiah = hardly. Antichristian yes.
Transparent = like a rock. Liar = unequivocably.
Obama's many records are being withheld or have destroyed for undisclosed reasons - really transparent, huh?
gbmpython, You are totally
gbmpython,
You are totally "off the fascist wall", along with your mentors Hannity and Limbaugh. What a fool you are to not look at the facts and spout off about Obama's supposed lack of a birth certificate. You equate Islam with communism while Muslims have fought against communism in Afghanistan and elsewhere. The US helped the Muslims fight the Soviet Union, in case your short memory leads you to forget.
Give it up, and support our true American President Barack Obama.
Part of a 'railroading' stratagey
I watch these town hall crashers...'birthers' as an utterly disgusting groiup of overweight, dumbed down, non-intellect angry, frustrated Americans that care nothing about details just causing hell.
Thanks for the laughs...
Personally, I love the birthers. The whole lunacy of their argument is great entertainment. Being of sound mind and body, educated, politically active, and a volunteer in my community for over 22 years, I am amused by the birthers stupidity, ignorance, and uneducated rants. Doesn’t anyone else find their illogical thinking comical? If so, and you want more entertainment, watch Fox News at 3:00AM (PST). It is the most ignorant, illogical, deceitful, and amusing attempt at journalism I’ve ever seen. It’s great!!!
I KNOW!
You're right. It's Hilarious!!!
Such idiotic talk makes me crazy.
I don't know why I read comments to articles like these. Maybe it's just to realize how completely ridiculous many people are. All it does is piss me off.
Bunch of right wing lunatics just about ruined our country and Obama is working just about as hard as anybody could to save it.
Go away and shut up.
Birthers?
I have to laugh again, I used the same document to get my passport, and they still don't trust his, lololol. You guys are borderline idiots, nah, I take back the borderline.
I was a republican for almost 20 years before Bush, Independent ever since and usually vote Democrat now. You guys on the far right need your own planet, take the comb-overs with ya. Palin, too??
Life is good
Laughing Out Loud: Life IS
Laughing Out Loud:
Life IS good...even while fighting for health care reform, an educational system that is "fair and balanced", and equality for all. Thanks for the reminder!!! Some of us welcome the reminder that many people do not have what many of us do. And we fight to try to bring it to them. Thanks...
Corner reader?
I detail why your leaders are incompetent at my name's link.
Instead of helping the GOP and hurting the MSM, people like Jonah Goldberg are doing the opposite: hurting the GOP and helping the MSM. See the link for the explanation.
Why can't Chuck Norris denounce the birthers?
Our country has serious problems in need of Obama's attention...recession, unemployment, foreclosures, dollar in crisis, 50 million with no health insurance, etc.
Should our president have to devote 1 second to this foolishness?
If there were any decent republicans with an ounce of patriotism, they would have denounced the birthers and teabaggers long, long ago.
Anybody with more than 2 brain cells knows this is a phony, irresponsible charge. Chuck Norris knows this too...his silence is proof that he puts the GOP over his country and the public. Chuck Norris a patriot? I don't think so.
Can't the republicans stop with these phony non- issues, bithers, teabaggers, etc.
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