9/11: Truth, Trutherism, and Truthiness

The morning of 9/11, when the alarm went off with National Public Radio’s Carl Kasell talking about planes flying into the World Trade Center, I was convinced I’d stumbled into a modern-day War of the Worlds. And that unreal feeling didn’t lift for the rest of that day—not when I got to the virtually empty Mother Jones office (there were still all those reports of more planes in the sky), not when I saw ex-CIA head James Woolsey on TV, already talking about how Saddam Hussein had to be behind this.
Nor, really, did it lift for another seven years. These were the years when we were served up lie after lie, when doubt became treason and reality itself grew increasingly preposterous. (We had a 21-year-old private from West Virginia do what?) Even the accounting, when it finally began, came not over the substance of what had happened, but focused on oddly procedural sideshows (did Scooter Libby out Valerie Plame Wilson? Did we really care, when the point was that Dick Cheney stovepiped intelligence to con the nation into war?) They were the years of truthiness—of claims just plausible enough to be believed, of accurate details gathered into deceitful conclusions, and of course of reporters who truthfully reported the lies they were told.
This is the first 9/11 anniversary when the country is no longer being run by those who so cynically exploited horror and legitimate anger. We have repudiated torture (though we’ll still send detainees to be tortured elsewhere on our behalf). We are withdrawing from Iraq, and will withdraw from Afghanistan sooner or later; most importantly, perhaps, we have elected a president who reminds the world that America is more than Gitmo and Predator drones.
But the end of the Bush era is not the end of the 9/11 era. There were deeper historical currents that made both the attack and its exploitation possible, and they still run strong.
Remember the poll that appeared around the fifth anniversary—revealing that one-third of Americans believed the government engineered the attacks or deliberately let them happen? Really, it wasn’t that surprising. At a time when both government and media were giving Americans ample reason for distrust, it wasn’t such a leap to conclude that the official story was not to be believed. The corollary to truthiness, its opposite and logical partner, was trutherism.
Trutherism is an expression of one of those deeper trends—the growing belief that no deed is too heinous, no deception too extreme, for the evil overlords in our government. It’s the legacy, at least in part, of the 60s and 70s, of Vietnam, J. Edgar Hoover, Watergate. It is also the belief that animates the birther and death-panel conspiracists of 2009: Of course the government would lie, cheat, and kill your grandmother. Why do you ask?
This is the world we live in post-9/11, and post Iraq War; a world where for many people, “the other side” has become so repugnant that nothing seems beneath it. We are no longer interested in understanding the people we disagree with; we just want to defeat them, for the good of the nation.
Which is where we come back to the events of 9/11. What made the horror of that day possible, in part, was the belief of 19 men that their adversaries were so dark and monstrous as to justify the mass murder of innocent people. And no, I’m not comparing anyone to Mohammed Atta. I’m saying that the seeds of evil are alive—however dormant—in most humans. (Germany, where I was born, found that out most catastrophically.) And we feed these seeds each time we act as if our adversaries weren’t worthy of basic respect, compassion, engagement. That is the truth of 9/11. Or at least one of them.
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Of course this is mind numbingly duncical in myriad ways. For one, the idea that something could not have happened the way it did simply because it never happened before is down right childish and defies any rational logic. I guess in the truther world NOTHING can happen, everything must have a first time.
Los angeles transportation,
Los angeles transportation, this has happened before. It's rational to think that elements of a government who have killed hundreds of thousands of innocents in a country with no ties to terrorism could have the evil capacity of murdering a few thousand of its own civilians. The same people who commited Operation Phoenix in Vietnam, assassinating targets to suppress opposition to US occupation, killing 20,000 Vietnamese completely at random. The organisations who supported Nicaraguan Contras to bring down a people's government and privatise the wellbeing of its populace, financing the deaths of tens of thousands. The same people who caused a coup d'etat in Chile, supporting a regime which abducted, tortured and killed thousands of Chilean citizens in an attempt to suppress opposition. The same government who willingly sells firearms at Wall-Mart while ten thousand americans die from gun shot wounds every year. You think that an organisation with no accountability or anchor of conscience other than money would think twice about killing 3,000 americans to justify killing hundreds of thousands more?
Um oh boy the conspiracy
Um oh boy the conspiracy theorists abound. Our government is a direct reflection of the society it governs. We are screwed up, therefore they are screwed up. Perhaps you would prefer to live in a country such as China or Iran, where you would be imprisoned for your remarks. Its always fun to hear what the conspiracy folks have to say though. No government, no country, and no society is or will ever be perfect ours isn't great but its a far better place to live than many other places.
Why is it conspiracy to see
Why is it conspiracy to see that most political leaders, no matter what country you are in, are only looking out for themselves? I don't know much about politics in China, other than the people are suppressed, so I won't talk about that. But, I do know about Iran. Iran is messed up because of foreign intervention. The British made most of their 20th century wealth from Iranian oil - which the Iranians got only a very small fraction of that money. And the Iranians who did get some money were the puppets that were in power. Plus, Iranians weren't allowed to work as engineers or have any say in the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which is now BP). They weren't even allowed to view accounting records or anything. This is particularly heinous, because the already unfair deal that was agreed upon between Britain and Iran couldn't even be monitored to make sure the British were being honest. Then what did the Iranian people do? They kick out the puppet and bring back their democracy. Their then elected prime minister creates OPEC and try's oil trade fair. Then Eisenhower calls him(Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh) a communist and puts in a worse dictator. Then this leads into the 1979 revolution.
Our country is the most messed up! Millions of First Americans were killed in-order to conquer this land! Millions of Africans were brought here to build this thing we call an economy! This is the foundation of the government that still exists. I hear people say "that's the past, get over it" But it's not the past, Indians are still here. And most are living on reservation ghettos. What many people may not know is that reservations were formed through treaties with various different Native Nations (Cherokee, Lakota, Senegal,etc) as a boundary of their countries (not US territory). And still to this day reservations are being run the BIA and the Indians still do not have sovereignty (which they should, according to the treaties that were signed). And slavery hasn't ended either.
Most African Americans in big cities are still living in inner city ghettos trying to survive in third world conditions.
We don't have freedom in this country (or in any country). We have the illusion of freedom. We don't have rights either - we have luxuries and privileges.
The people that control this world are the fat cats, like BP, that have always been on top and have always been trying to keep us down by having us fight against one another. This isn't a conspiracy, this is easily available knowledge. GO TO THE LIBRARY AND READ A BOOK PEOPLE!!
Truth
You are very correct. It is all problem reaction solution; and this is by way of the theives in power.
These are the two options for you. A war criminal state (USA) or rights suppressed theocraciy(IRAN)/oligarchy(China). No wonder we are where we are. You need to broaden the possibilities not float just off the bottom. Not being as bad is not being good.
You had me until you
You had me until you critized gun ownership. Rednecks with guns is what ultimately keeps us free from our government.
Red necks with guns haven't
Red necks with guns haven't done anything since the British were kicked out during the American Revolution.
Ahhh.... I hate to sound
Ahhh.... I hate to sound like a conspiricist...but... I ask, were the british kicked out of the americas? As I recall there was a pretty powerful party called the tory's in early US history(british loyalists) who gradually changed names in the face of somewhat free journalism. Remember most of the early riches were english, the biggest land grants went to english nobility. I propose the banking system still has roots in british investments. Any thoughts?
Mother Jones' funding, origin and 'Reliability'
About 90% of the Independent Press Association's start-up funding came from U.S. foundations. Presently, the "Independent" Press Association relies on U.S. foundation grants for at least 57% of its funding. In recent years the board of directors of the Independent Press Association has included both Mother Jones Magazine publisher Jay Harris and a representative of the pro-Zionist Forward Association named Arkady Kagan.
The grant money of the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation is derived from their multi-billion dollar unscreened investment portfolios. As with any other article addressing 9/11, you go off on a tangent expressing various issues of 'truth' while avoiding the rebuttal of any factual evidence, similar to other hit pieces. If we want to read a lame attempt to do this, we can find one in the popular mechanics hit piece which avoided facts as well. This may impress those of a lower intellect who are so ignorant that they won't bother moving the flag covering their eyes to actually see, and your pretense of independent journalism really does seems to keep some of the sheep from lifting their heads which means you've fulfilled your role as a gatekeeper.
9/11 Truth
Good read for those with mind enough to handle it:
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/000000...
I challenge supporters of the official story to read this.
When seeking the truth becomes a pejorative and a slander . . .
well OBVIOUSLY,
Something Stinks!
Great Post
Nice Troll Clara
Classic and pathological.
Cry "Wolf!" much?
I enjoy responding to trolls because studying psychopaths is one my hobbies.
Pot calls stainless steel fry pan black, film at eleven.
Keep trolling Clara, it suits you well.
Something Stinks!
Sounds like nickel dime
Sounds like nickel dime psychology to me.
it takes just one flaw...
It's not up to the 911 Truth movement to explain exactly who was involved and how much. Nor do they have to explain how so-and-so "did it". All it takes is for them to point out a single issue that the government can't explain. And from what I've seen, the Truthers have pointed out Dozens and Dozens of flaws. But no-one will investigate. And THAT stinks.
Why no one will investigate
The plot and the players as revealed on FOX six months prior to 9/11 on 3/4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6EWF3vulc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_Series)
"Foreshadowing a number of conspiracy theories which would arise in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the plot of the March 4, 2001 pilot episode of the series depicts a secret faction within the United States government plotting to hijack a Boeing 727 and fly it into the World Trade Center by remote control. The stated motive was to increase the military defense budget by blaming the attack on foreign "tin-pot dictators" who are "begging to be smart-bombed."[3][4] In the episode, the plot is eventually foiled by the protagonists who board the doomed plane and deactivate the malicious autopilot system just seconds before the plane would have reached the World Trade Center."
Funny how 3/4 and 9/11 are so close in value as fractions = 3/4 and 9/12 are the same.
Doodah.com was the website for the "company" with the remote control air to ground computer link system (now the technology is widely used), long since scrubbed (presumably sold to an unaware person and now selling art and crafts and paying homage to Hunter Thompson - somehow appropriate) and were connected with both the CIA flight School and a Cocaine Smuggling operation involving passenger jet planes painted as official US government aircraft one of which, a DC9, was seized be the Mexican army with 5.5 tons of cocaine aboard with no MSM coverage in the USA whatsoever. John McCain used the same airplane for his 2000 presidential campaign. Guess what former prominent politician has his name on that plane.
Who owns the MSM and your Government? The people who profited most from 9/11.
Funny thing, an hour before it actually happened, I watched a tape of this episode.
No Heroes saved the day. Plenty of Heroes dealt with the aftermath.
Something Stinks!
Monika, precisely. It's just
Monika, precisely. It's just like the creationist argument that if there's one thing that science can't explain, creationism is all true. Doesn't make any sense.
Hmmm....
The problem is that those holding the megaphones are refusing to look into the questions that 'there may well be'.
Any serious truth seeker simply wants a new, independent investigation (i.e. not one headed up by a former bush administration staffer) - I think it rather spurious to suggest that 9/11 truth seekers as a whole are demanding that 'some particular answer' be believed - in fact, that sounds more like the government line.
I guess Van Jones, maybe the
I guess Van Jones, maybe the only real progressive in the White House, is another victim of 911 truthiness.
I thought it was a boxcutter what did the deed.
At least that is the official story.
You cannot be part of the government unless you are 100 percent in agreement with everything the government says and does.
Why do you think Obama chose not to end the wars?
No, we need to recruit more college kids into the CIA just like Obama was.
ROOTS.
Something Stinks!
Very well said David
No matter how big a jerk the other person you are stuck on the elevator with, you are still stuck together.
9/11 was an inside job, done by covert agencies several nations
9/11/01 was an “inside job”, it was done by covert agencies of the US, UK, Israeli, Saudi and Pakistani governments.
All you have to do is read thru the People for a New American Century” (PNAC) documents to know that Neocons in the Bush administration made it happen on purpose, because they wanted a “helpful new Pearl Harbor event” (quoting the document), which would put the US public in support of US military intervention into the Middle East.
All you have to realize is that the Bush Administration had deep ties to international finance entities like the Carlyle Group who use highly placed former government officials of many nations to help them make money on war and armaments sales.
You must know that the Bush administration is/was also deeply connected to the oil industry who wanted influence over the Iraqi oil fields and a free hand in the oil service contracts for the middle east.
You must know that just prior to the 9/11 event, the US administration issued an ultimatum to the Taliban which attempted to compel them to grant an oil pipeline right of way basically from the Caspian Basin thru to the India east shore, so that the west could gain a foothold into the Caspian basin.
All you have to remember is that Saudi money was shuttled thru the ISI to the patsy perpetrators, who were being shadowed by Mossad agents in the US, and that some of those pasties had taken training on US military bases, and you know that this information was expunged from the released report of the congress’s investigation into 9/11/01. And you should know that the key patsies had close personal relationships with agents of German intelligence, the Muslim Brotherhood, and therefore to the CIA and the Mossad.
If you have not read Webster Tarpley’s “9/11 Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA”, and Daniel Hopsicker’s “Mohammad Atta, in Terror Land”, then you should.
The fact that the US stock market was on the brink of collapse, and that the WTC towers had been condemned is factual, but not determinative of the essential event which would have happened in any case; a false flag attack upon the US which would allow US military intervention into the Middle East broadly enough to advance the strategic resource interests of the West and which would be beneficial to the people and organizations that attempt to monopolize those resources for personal gain.
9/11 aftermath
Eight years after: No reconstruction on NYC site
Osama bin Laden continues to be alive and free
What does this say about America?
bin Laden
The CIA lost track of bin Laden in December 2001. In all likelihood he was killed at this time. He was a very sick man prior to the time he denied involvement in the attacks twice in September and October that year.
The subsequent videos have all been questionable to say the least.
In any case, bin Laden has never been officially accused of the 9/11 attacks (check the most wanted on the FBI website) due to 'a lack of evidence'.
Picture a room of folk screaming at an image of Emmanuel Goldstein on a viewscreen - that is your reality.
"....the growing belief that
"....the growing belief that no deed is too heinous, no deception too extreme, for the evil overlords in our government..... It is also the belief that animates the birther and death-panel conspiracists of 2009: Of course the government would lie, cheat, and kill your grandmother. Why do you ask?"
What you fail to mention is the Birther and Death-Panel conspiracies ARE COMING FROM OUR GOVERNMENT. The likes of Sara Palin, Senator Grassly and Michelle Bachman, all who have endorsed these theories, are this country's elected officials who were voted in by their constituents.
The 911 "conspiracy theories" were never started by elected officials, they were started by those questioning their elected officials. Let's get our conspiritorial facts straight before we start lumping those asking serious questions about 911 and coming up with a multitude of different conclusions verses those swallowing anything shoved down their fear inflated throats by their own government.
good point. don't forget
good point.
don't forget that it si the families of some of the victims who are asking those questions. are they crack pots. is anyone willing to stnad up and make that claim?
if you support the truth movement, make sure your arguments are simple (they don't need to be too complex) and that you are sticking to the questions, not the answers. We are asking questions and seekign answers that make sense to rational minds.
getting caught up in the nonsense going on right now is simpy playing into the hands of those who want to keep this covered up.
Breaking the Terrorist Spell
Commencing tomorrow 9/12/09 President Obama will have kept America terrorist attack free for one day longer than did George Bush. Each day that mounts up thereafter dilutes the fear spell that Bush/Cheney successfully cast over us ....after the terrorist horse got out of barn.
If Obama could successfully vaporize bin Laden, this whole thing ends.
911 definitely inside job. No need to debate that anymore.
911 was definitely an inside job. White nationalists are in denial because it is too painful for all of you and you cannot believe rich white people would kill other white people just for money and power. These are the Jewish elite and they did kill a bunch of white people. They slaughtered Christians in Russia as well. If 9/11 is not an inside job then explain all of this:
1) Why did Larry Silverstein purchase failing property in the months leading up the incident and have it specially insured against terrorist incidents?
2) What was the purpose of all the construction on the upper floors of all three buildings in the days before 9/11?
3) Why were the buildings closed (lights out) in the days leading up to 9/11?
4) Why was Bush’s brother and a cousin in charge of security at WTC?
5) Why is Bin Laden treated in an American hospital in Dubai and visited by the CIA in the days before the attack?
6) Why did Bush sit there in that classroom for six minutes with that strange look on his face when the Secret Service should have been immediately relocated him since his present location was well publicized by the media, making him vulnerable to assassination by the so-called terrorists?
7) Why were Bush and Cheney allowed to testify together, not under oath and with no recording or transcripts during the 9/11 Commission?
8) Why was Bush insider and Rice confidante Philip Zelikow put in charge of the 9/11 Commission?
9) Why does the commission ignore the fact that Norman Mineta’s testimony directly conflicts with White House claims?
10) Why did the buildings fall at freefall speed, actually accelerating, with no resistance from below?
11) Why do we see and onlookers feel explosions right before the collapse with squibs being ejected from the sides of the buildings ahead of the collapse along with explosions all over the building as the collapse proceeds?
12) Why are there human remains still being found on adjacent buildings far away if there were no bomb explosions?
13) Why did the reinforced core collapse? It was a completely separate fixture from the floors themselves.
14) Why was all the evidence removed by FEMA before NIST or anyone could examine it?
15) How could fire have weakened the buildings if they weren’t hot enough or even burned for very long, as evidenced by the intense smoke, characteristic of fuel starved fires?
16) Why have buildings constructed like this never collapsed from fire before?
17) Why did the buildings collapse from plane impacts when they were constructed to withstand just such impacts?
18) Why would upper impacts bring a building down when it is know that the only way to demolish a building is to destabilize the foundation?
19) How could the debris be pulverized unless there were planted explosions?
20) Why was there molten metal found at the base of each collapse if the fire was not hot enough to cause it?
21) Why are the columns at the base of the buildings cut at angles that are frequently seen in controlled demolitions?
22) If the building pancaked then why was there no mangled heap of floors and debris?
23) Why does the dust cloud and particulate matter match every controlled demolition implosion and volcanic eruption known to man?
24) Why were the fires still burning in all three buildings from the molten metal in the basement weeks after the attack?
25) Are we supposed to believe that WTC7 is the first building in history, according to NIST and the official report, to have collapsed solely from small, isolated fires?
26) Why did Larry Silverstein say he gave the command to “pull it” and then later say he was referring to the firefighters when that is clearly a demolition term and no firefighters were ever in the building?
27) Why does a live BBC reporter say the building has been brought down minutes before it actually did come down?
28) Why does Rudy Guiliani tell everyone that the building is about to come down if it was an accident?
29) Why is the NIST’s official report on WTC7 still not released after five years?
30) Why do we not have full access to all of the Pentagon impact footage from cameras?
31) Why was that section of the Pentagon building recently reinforced prior to 9/11?
32) Why was there no damage to the Pentagon front lawn?
33) Why was all the debris collected and removed before anyone could analyze it?
34) Why was the entire Pentagon front lawn dug up and overturned before anyone could examine it?
35) Where are the plane fragments from the Pentagon impact?
36) Why is the hole in the Pentagon from the impact so small?
37) Where are the human remains from the Pentagon?
38) How did amateur pilot, Hani Hanjour, with only a few hundred hours manage to pilot a Boeing 757 into the Pentagon?
39) It was not possible to make reliable cell phone calls from airplanes on 9/11/2001 so how is it possible we have several full length conversations with no dropping or static on United Flight 93?
40) Why do the people on those conversations on United Flight 93 speak to each other using their full names when they are supposed to be close friends, relatives and spouses?
41) Why is the United Flight 93 debris field so large? Some pieces of the plane were found several miles away.
42) Where are the human remains from the crash of United Flight 93’?
43) Why is there so little debris from United Flight 93 and why was no one allowed to examine it?
44) Why does a Flight 93 land in Cleveland shortly after the purported crash of United 93 and only after that airport had been evacuated?
45) Who do firefighters and people inside the buildings all recount multiple series of explosions in WTC1 and WTC2?
46) Why does some man on the scene of the towers immediately suggest to reporters that the buildings collapsed because of the plane collisions and the subsequent heat from the fires like he was some expert on the subject?
47) Initial media coverage said that these collapses were controlled demolitions but it was never repeated after the first day. Why?
48) Why does the media refuse to cover this plethora of anomalies?
49) Why do politicians run away from Americans demanding a real investigation? Have they not seen this overwhelming evidence or are they complicit in this heinous crime?
50) Why were we running airplane attack scenarios the same day of the attacks?
51) Why does Cheney say his order to stand down remains?
52) Why does the official story have the timing of events that day completely distorted?
53) Bin Laden initially says he had nothing to do with 9/11 but then later accepts responsibility. Most, if not all, of the Al Qaeda tapes have been proven to be obvious forgeries.
54) Al Qaeda had neither the opportunity nor access to plant the bombs that caused these implosions so who did?
55) Why are several of the nineteen alleged hijackers known to be alive and well living overseas?
56) Why does Bush have Ground Zero air proclaimed to be safe when it still had many times the safe level of asbestos and other toxic matter in the air? Many of those workers have developed lung illnesses or have died.
57) What happned to some of the gold that was stored under the Towers? Only part of it has been accounted for.
Any one of these unanswered and valid points proves the official story is a lie. If you just hate Arabs then just be a racist but you cannot deny reality because it is a shared physical experience based upon science.
You ask too many questions!
Stupid people who believe the government are not going to like that.
You cannot convince a true believer who is a moron.
Our leaders would never lie to us. Just look at Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan and Carter - all paragons of virtue, integrity and truthiness.
Shame on you for having a three digit IQ.
BTW - The scar in the field where flight 93 "crashed" shows up on an aerial photo from some years prior to 9/11. The image may still be online. I would tell you more, but it is classified. Air defense is one of my specialties.
Something Stinks!
Truth has its own power
Truth has its own power source. We can do nothing to stop it or even to disguise fantasy as truth. All we can do, with practice and discipline is to recognize it.
Never before in history has one group (Al Qaeda) been so eager to claim responsibility for an attack while the group actually attacked (us) is so eager to blame ourselves.
And that's all I have to say about that.
what are you saying
what are you saying here?
the families of some of the victims are askign questions and not getting satisfactory answers. are you implying that there is something wrong with that? if so, then you are supporting a position most base and degenerate.
James:
I thought is was quite clear what I was saying. Here, I will say a bit more now.
Various intelligence agencies knew that plots were constantly being both hatched and squashed to inflict various blows to the USA. Sometimes the rumors exceeded the threats and sometimes the threats were under-stated by the rumors. Bush-W and co. were asleep at the switch. They did not want to be bothered with agitations caused by these repetitive claims. Remember please that Bush's father, while director of the CIA passed false intel to Jimmy Carter, exaggerating the rumor that oil was running dry in the Mid East. (This was done to cajole Carter into selling more sophisticated weapons to the Arab nations and specifically to Saudi Arabia). We in the USA (and in the "West") do not understand the dynamics of religious theocracies. The Saudi royal family has its hands full, coping with threats against it from its own royal cousins. This regime has always gained its political leverage by amplifying the Qur'an and its 'end-of-world' ("judgment day") prophecies. The regime now in power in Iran, was actually banned during the Iranian revolution (A "fatwa" was issued against it) because as a matter of Islamic religious law, it was considered too dangerous. It is almost identical to the regime that issued the "fatwa". The major difference is that the splinter Islamic group that Ahmadinejad belongs to has departed from standard-practice Islam, because they believe it is their religious responsibility to IMPLEMENT "judgment day". (Not just wait for it to arrive). That is the 'bottom line' explanation for 9-11-2001. It also explains the perpetual war with Israel. These are two footnotes in the much larger story. The main story is: 1 Muslim man + 1 Muslim woman = 6 Muslim children. 6 Muslim children x 100 years = 30 Muslims (starting with 2). Given the regressive political nature of most of the Arab nations, this expanding population has nothing especially productive to do --except to expand geographically. They utilize their scriptures as both the cause and the effect of their global expansion. PS> I am a federally documented victim of 09-11-01. I have since been further victimized by courtroom misconduct, (something that most other 9-11 victims can not claim). I do not care to be victimized a third time by those who would convince me that my own government had an interest in this.
Troll
I sympathize with you. I, also, do not want to be victimized by anyone who wants to claim that the government of the US had anything to do with 9/11. But, what if they did? Isn't my unwillingness to examine that possibility exactly what they would want?
All I can say at this point is to encourage you to look at some of the evidence that is being put forth and ask yourself if the most rational approach (for those doing a cover up), if there is indeed a cover-up going on, would be to spread disinformation, put down people who are asking questions, play into peoples fear and discouragement to get them to have no motivation to question, etc etc.
Please, at least consider that, and history shows this very clearly, that when it comes to the levels of power we are talking about here, some people are willing to do some of the most outrageous and unexpected things to have their ends met. It is an ugly reality, but a true one nonetheless.
-ps, isn't it even a remote possibility that there were indeed people who wanted to attack the WTC, that they had started to develop plans, that their plans were discovered, and that they were surreptitiously encouraged and supported by people who might have found their way into the halls of power? Is it not even Possible?
The truth
I saw a plane crash into the 2nd tower on TV and I saw reruns of the other plane crashing into the 1st Tower. The Towers failed at point of impact. Their was no explosion at point in time of failure. The time between failure and impact was a clear indication of the reason for failure, namely fire.
I was told that a missile crashed into the Pentagon in spite of the fact that 30 some odd people saw an American Airlines passenger jet crash into the Pentagon.
Get Real.
Their are real issues with what happened on 9/11 but no one is paying attention because the nuts on the left took over. A great disservice was done to the left and to our nation by the nuts who talked about the CIA doing 9/11. I do however believe that the CIA had a great deal to do with the passing out of these videos that helped create the nuts, for it would serve their right wing agenda.
I do not buy this idea that some how this was a consequence of the history of mistrust created by the Government. Many on the left where too busy smacking their lips at these accusation and the possible pain it would inflict on those who support the government to look at the truth and the damage that buying into this scenario would cause the left.
The left should have done more to distance themselves from these crazy conspiracy people, some of which are not on the left.
so, you are saying that the
so, you are saying that the families of some of the people killed on that day are simply "crazy conspiracy people"?
if so you ought to be ashamed of yourself
Explosions Undeniable. The
Explosions Undeniable.
The fact of the many explosions which brought down the buildings are undeniable.
Millions of people witnessed these events first hand via video and audio recorded on the scene. and hundreds of people reported explosions, and explosions were recorded by videos of the event.
There were at least nine major explosions in the structures prior to their final stage of demolition and this was caught on video and reported by the media. This is also shown in seismic records of the event.
Go to the videos yourself and watch again as the building blow up turning to dust from the top down as the debris fall to the ground and steel beams are thrown 500 feet like arrows into adjacent buildings.
When they came down the buildings blew up from the top down, and as has been mentioned in these comments the concrete floor pans were pulverized into dust, there was no 30 story high pile of rubble, which would have been the case in a collapse due to structural failure.
And buildings with asymmetrical damage do not fall straight down at free fall speeds directly into their own footprints.
Proof that the building were demolished is also proven by the demolition of building seven which was not hit by any plane, yet collapsed in the classical explosive demolition manner.
Funny how the only buildings that fell were those owned and insured by Silverstein, close ally of the Israelis.
Probably there is no significance to the fact that the WTC security contracts were held by the Bush clan either.
The fact that CIA insiders made millions by short sales of airline stocks set to take place immediately before the attacks is probably of significance either.
Probably no significance to the fact that the section of the Pentagon hit by the missile on 9/11, hit the section where about 50 contract employees were working on tracing the missing two trillion dollars from the Pentagon budget which had been announced on 9/10. Shame they had to cancel that investigation due to the events of the day.
Likely no significance at all to the fact that six months prior to the event that Cheney had himself replace the heads of the Joint Chiefs of Staff regarding any decisions to be made in the case of an attack on the US involving NORAD and the emergency response to such an attack.
And there is probably so significance to the fact as report by Sec of Transportation on the day of the attack that Cheney prohibited any change in orders which allowed the plane flying towards the Pentagon to not be shot down, which would have meant a change in Cheney's previous standing orders.
Probably no significance either to the fact that on 9/10 Jeb Bush Governor of Florida declared a state of Martial Law for the state.
ETC., only a total fool would believe the official government fantasy story about how NORAD just could not respond to the events of the day, and that the air control tower tapes just happened to have all been destroyed, and that the only jets in the region had been sent out of the region while the other two remaining on call were prohibited from flying at flank speed.
ETC., ETC, ETC.
9/11/01 WAS AN INSIDE JOB, A FALSE FLAG ATTACK BY COVERT AGENCIES OF SEVERAL GOVERNMENTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SUPPORT US MILITARY INTERVENTION INTO THE MIDDLE EAST.
The fact that the Bush clan, Cheney, et al, is connected to Haliburton, and the Carlyle Group is just icing on the cake in terms of understanding the motives of the perpetrators.
And the brain washing goes on, the people who can't think for themselves and did not know they were being lied to after the event continue to be fooled today by the MSM and government.
But even the average dupe American citizen knows now they were lied to about 9/11, and eventually all Americans will realize that fact, as they do now near universally realize there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.
Yes, conspiracies to commit murder, assassination, and to commit the acts which will precipitate was do occur, and 9/11/01 was one such false flag event.
I have published the list of your errors many times
#1 If you have planes you do not need bombs, if you have bombs you do not need planes, to plan to do both when either is very iffy to pull off is insane.
#2 Any Blacksmith will tell you that what makes steel special is that it is like butter at temperatures far below melting point, and loses strength quickly when heated. Try and bend a rebar and you cannot, put a torch on it and it will bend easily even before you can see it glow.
#3 In order to build the towers at all, many tricks were pulled and strength figured to the minimum necessary, most buildings are designed to many times the expected stress, not so the Towers or they would have fallen of their own weight.
#4 the key innovation was a major load bearing shell of steel outside that might even have held against a DC-3. This acted like a fence even as the towers fell keeping the force centered. No other buildings in the world were built that way.
#5 Altitude is energy, if you doubt it, lay a hammer on a finger and then try taking a swing at it. As each floor hit the floor below, like the hammer the forces were thousands of times the designed load, since they were already as lightly built as possible they might as well have been out of butter.
#6 The towers were full of air (duh) as they fell the pressure in each floor went up very high and down the floors and elevator shafts. When a window broke the dust was blown out( like an explosion to the uncritical). That wind blew anything in or near a stair like a super tornado, including up pipes and tunnels blocks away.
#7 There was really only one big hole that all that air could escape. That was the parking entrance directly across from building seven. With all that energy of elevation now turned to heat, it was a debris enriched lahar that struck the front of building seven.
#8 As the floors fell the air that was being shoved out the bottom had to be replaced above the fall, so just below it the air was rushing up, making much visible close that might not have been otherwise. Out farther the debris clouds point down as heavier stuff falls faster and pulling air and dust along with it, and they fall faster than the floors, if not a lot faster.
This just touches the bits that roll off the tongue, much of the rest can be inferred from that as well. If I was a debater I would not need to disprove anything else as any point attempted beyond that from the other side would be discredited as indeed would seem to be the case.
I'm sorry but...
your lack of logic and knowledge about physics is readily apparent in your post. Do you know what free fall speed is and how it relates to the speed of the towers falling?
Do you know the amount of energy it takes to pulverize all of that concrete (which was the major structural support, by the way)?
Do you even understand how far off the mark you are with the claim that "heavier stuff falls faster"?
Please, until you have an understanding of the science involved, listen to the informed opinions of people who do.
thanks!
My dear MWDA,
They may have seen missile that was painted to look like an American Airlines plane. Where is that piece with the paint job on it now? It looked awful small, didn't it? I bet that piece of evidence will never see the light of day. Look at the picture of it and then look at the real thing. you think it could be that easily hauled away?
Only if the airplane had been shrunk to the size of a missile.
One thing no one mentions is that you simply cannot fly a 757 or any other large aircraft that close to the ground without it crashing unless you have the nose up. Have you EVER seen a passenger jet land without its nose up? You know why? When you are on the deck if you get low enough, the shock wave produced by the aircraft's body and wing bounces off of the ground and hits the bottom of the tail causing it to rise and the nose to pitch down resulting in a crash. It is physically impossible for a 757 to cruise along 10, 20 or 40 feet off the ground.
Also, how are you going to fly in a circle around the pentagon and then accelerate to 400 plus miles an hour?
Here is the answer - you have to use a rocket engine to provide the acceleration and if you LOOK at the released video of the aircraft hitting the Pentagon, you will see that it has WHITE SMOKE trailing it.
When have you EVER seen a passenger jet spew white smoke out of its engines? Rockets spew white smoke, not jets.
So, did Al Qaeda stick a rocket engine in the back of the plane that hit the Pentagon? They must have got it from the CARLYLE group.
Wings? Who needs wings when you have a rocket engine onboard? That is why you see no wings.
How did it go through 6 walls of masonry? DU nose cone that Al Qaeda installed on the front of the airplane. Must have gotten that from the CARLYLE group.
Which explains why after 9/11 the Bin Laden's had to LEAVE the CARLYLE group as well as be ESCORTED out of the country to avoid having to give testimony or embarrass Bush and Cheney.
Do you STILL BELIEVE?
Sometimes you need more than BOXCUTTERS to get a job done.
Something Stinks!
The Left distance themselves, the Right makes crazy mainstream
Ever since the whole "bombs in the Towers" thing started I have actually suspected that it is they who are the false flag element. Even the "Jersey Girls" who were leading the questions about what happened were distancing themselves from this. As the noise cranked up they ceased to allow themselves to be at the head of it .
Now there are plenty people who have not thought logically about it, and following the trail is like tracking across a stampede, there is a lot that is plain not physically possible, and a lot totally illogical no matter who you thought might be to blame. As for the rest, tracking what is fact and what is not is unverifiable, as many sources on all sides have made themselves unbelievable, clear answers are now all but impossible.
Perhaps the clearest answer is that the planes brought down the towers. Arguing otherwise is like the arguments for a 6,000 year old earth. However the facts of that says nothing about any conspiracy or stupidity or anything.
What is not arguable is that the GOP jumped on the opportunity like a bug, to hype the already tough time to make it as bad as they possibly could, and grab powers from the shock that had nothing to do with the situation, and to make the situation much worse than it already was.
Taking such quick and overwhelming personal benefit, to the absolute detriment of everyone else, would spawn conspiracy theories about creating such an opportunity now matter how clear the contrary could have happened.
Today it hardly matters which right wing religious crazy started it, they have all benefited, in the US , Israel, all the Sunni countries and even the Shiite countries and regions, all have more power today than they did then, all by hyping the actions of the perceived enemy who for all practical purposes has the same anti-human, anti-woman, antisocial, theocratic, kleptocratic agenda.
That is the real conflict, and while the actual left has had trouble organizing, or even recognizing the problem, they have begun to do that. The tactics of the Right, from frontal violence, to its reliance on made up stuff, and marching morons, are not effective tools on the left.
Blasting away at small fry dupes, or weaving wild illogical theories, may have emotional satisfaction but they are counter effective on all sides, but the Right has trouble making logical conclusions from evidence, and cannot act with the foresight attributed to them by the Truthers. Actual reality cannot be killed or lied away, and will always out where it matters, that is where the Left will win eventually.
9/11: Truth, Trutherism, and Truthiness
Today it hardly matters which right wing religious crazy started it, they have all benefited, in the US , Israel, all the Sunni countries and even the Shiite countries and regions, all have more power today than they did then, all by hyping the actions of the perceived enemy who for all practical purposes has the same anti-human, anti-woman, antisocial, theocratic, kleptocratic agenda.
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What nonsense above -- total insulting nonsense ---
Once secular Iraq has had over 1.3 Million of its people murdered , over 2million displaced and 4 Million orphans created as a result and its whole country destroyed with Cluster Bombs and Depleted Uranium and more.
Then on to Afghanistan and Pakistan with the drones bringing death and terror to innocent women and children.
A whole war against Islam 23 % of the Worlds population in the Judeo/Christian crusade against Islam.
Quo bono everyone should know and they are seen in this link here.
http://tinyurl.com/yrvqx
uhhmmm...
the argument, here, is more about the science behind the fall of the towers, not the ideology you digress into. You are not the first who I will kindly ask to be quiet and listen so that you can become informed about the science.
Thanks!
why listen to propaganda when the alternative here
If you lived through 9-11, if you're a New Yorker or a scientist or a person that is capable of any sort of analysis you will want an impartial investigation of 9-11 for the dead and for the sick and the families who demand it and thank God many are :
NYC CAN Breaking News Bulletin - FORWARD WIDELY
September 10, 2009
City of New York Concedes 9/11 Coalition Has 30,000 Valid Signatures To Put Referendum For 9/11 Investigation on November Ballot
New York – In a last minute decision, lawyers for the City of New York have conceded that the New York City Coalition for Accountability Now (NYC CAN), a group comprising 9/11 family members, first responders and survivors, indeed did submit over 30,000 valid signatures to put the referendum for a new 9/11 investigation before the voters of New York City this November.
In an earlier letter from the City Clerk dated July 24, 2009, the City had claimed only 26,003 signatures were valid, 3,997 short of the requisite 30,000. The City’s concession that over 30,000 of the 52,000 signatures submitted were in fact valid paves the way for lawyers from both sides to argue the legality of petition.
Asked whether he thought NYC CAN could overcome the City’s challenge to the legality of the petition, legal counsel to the petitioners, Dennis McMahon, said, “Absolutely. Although the City has an incredibly successful record of shooting down ballot initiatives, we will be arguing from a fresh perspective that reflects the unprecedented events of 9/11. We believe the courts will see how critical an issue this is, and be persuaded with our legal reasoning and point of view.” A final determination on the legality of the petition will be reached in time for the referendum to be included on the November ballot should the petitioners prevail.
Representatives for NYC CAN, 9/11 family member Manny Badillo and Executive Director Ted Walter, arrived at the Board of Elections on the morning of Wednesday, September 9, to assist the court-appointed referee in commencing a line-by-line review of the disputed signatures, only to learn the referee’s review had been called off due to a last minute concession by the City. Mr. Badillo immediately got on the phone to inform others of the news.
“The City conceded we have 30,000 valid signatures. Big victory.”
The City’s concession comes as a result of the immense effort put forth by 50+ volunteers who gave more than 1,000 hours over a two week period from August 10 to August 25 to identify a total of 7,166 signatures that were wrongly invalidated by the NYC City Clerk and Board of Elections. On August 27, NYC CAN filed the 631-page Bill of Particulars cataloguing each of the 7,166 signatures it contended were in fact valid. NYC CAN submitted another 28,000 signatures on September 4 to guarantee the referendum will go on the ballot if they win the court case, bringing the total signatures submitted to 80,000.
631-page Bill of Particulars Filed on August 27
NYC CAN must deliver its memorandum of law in response to the City’s motion for summary judgment by Monday, September 21. The City will be given an opportunity to reply before the referee’s decision is made on Monday September 28. Fast-track appeals will likely follow no matter who wins. A final decision will have to be made by September 30.
If the referendum passes in November, it would lead to the creation of a local, independent commission with subpoena power that would be tasked with comprehensively reinvestigating the attacks.
Truthism
I agree with Monica Bauerlein—she's take's a look at things with an open eye and she asks “think!”—like imagine you had one hand put into ice cold water and another put into very hot water and then a bucket of 20 degree water was placed in front of you and you were asked is this water cold or hot? Your answer would most likely be both—to the one hand it feels warm while to the other its cold. So what is the truth of this event?
What is truth? As if anyone really wants to know unless we feel we aren't in possession of it—but this the great Buddha claims is what is necessary to seek out the higher nature of the 4 noble truths. Truth here means to have no desires and yet to seek the path of the middle way demands the desire for truth.
The truth of truth is its power to control (or if you prefer a sexual angle then perhaps its the power to seduce) and mediate untruth as means to make whatever your claim may be emit an aura of the undeniable (the appearance of truth)—it is like a magic spell that saturates the consciousness with strong belief that such and such is the case and no other possibilities exist—when an individual possesses the ability to transmit this aura of suggestion and offers the aura of truth then a Hitler is possible and he commanded the fanaticism and the horror of truth. ….
Truth is a game—like the Glass Bead Game of the Magister Ludi. It is a game that cannot be spelled out because it holds all games within in its grasp and yet can always hold one more if necessary or infinitely many if it is so desired or even none which presents itself via the emptiness truth game. Truth is a game of uncountably many solutions and yet we always claim to have The One and only, hence our disappointment when ours is not in a one to one correspondence with the status quo, but alas it seldom is unless per chance we stumble upon a Hitler or a Napoleon or some religious wise man come from the wilderness to show us the “truth”.
Truth comes from untruthfulness just as logic arises out the illogical. Like those ancient Eleatic philosophers whose mathematical sense was unparalleled and yet this math sense led them to create the foundations of logic out various sets of illogical presuppositions—illogical in that they do not correspond to the senses (sight, smell, touch, hearing and taste) and consequently their deductive reasoning becomes rather quickly merely nonsense.
Still truth is a bit like Wittgenstein's concept of the language game—if someone were to ask you what is a game specifically you'd find yourself in quite a predicament to offer up the up the ontological key to the sense of gameness in its most general form and yet there is an average comprehension to this general notion of what constitutes a game—or say in the film the Matrix one is confronted with the problem of virtual reality as opposed to reality itself—yet reality is something that cannot be assumed to be known—but isn't that what we tend to do? It is from the presuppositions of these Eleatic philosophers that “reality” was assumed to be known—reality had to have their attributes, their concept of what the ultimate reality must consist of and anything contradicting this was assumed to be false—yet what would reality consist of if we were to disallow all motion, to disallow our senses of the world into which we live or to claim that reality has to consist of “the One” as opposed to “the Many”, .. . .we will remain baffled or we will remain indoctrinated, but the truth will remain a mystery...
Not creative writing exercise
This is not an exercise in creative writing or a goal-free exploration in philosophy.
This is about facts.
This is about people being herded into supporting war, and into paying for it, sending their children to die in it, and other people being killed by the millions due to the war, as "collateral damage".
This event should be understood by every human being for what it was and what it is, war for profit, a false flag attack to get ignorant stupid people to support a war in the name of patriotism, so that other people can control the resources of the regions of the globe and become rich beyond any reason or need.
This is about turning a democracy in the US into a fascist state, where elections are stolen without public protest, and civil liberties are trampled and made obsolete because they get in the way of the oiligarch's manipulation of the state and the robbing of its treasury.
A great thinker
A great thinker you are, Anonymous. We're thankful for your fantastic explanation of the tragedy that gave the kickoff of the 21st century. It made me reflect on my own personal life as well. When you get to understand the facts, it all starts to make sense and life becomes bearable. Get on with your great job of helping us see through the fog.
HEAR HEAR!
that sums it up nicely.
OOPS
that was meant to be directed to anonymous. ANONYMOUS sums it up nicely, not this guy!
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