Rove, Cheney, Gingrich and Kristol Fail To Rally 9/11 Trial Foes

| Wed Nov. 18, 2009 7:40 AM PST

On Monday, Karl Rove sent a tweet to his 92,000 followers: "Don't sit out: 9:30am 11/18 Dirksen Senate Bldg Rm G-50 to oppose Atty Gen's testimony on trying terrorists on U.S. soil." On Tuesday, Newt Gingrich dispatched a similar message to his 1.2 million Twitter devotees: "Join @keepamericasafe at 9:30am Wed at Dirksen Senate Bldg to protest Holder's testimony on bringing terrorists to US." Keep America Safe is Elizabeth Cheney's new hawkish group—neocon godfather Bill Kristol is one of its three board members—and on Tuesday it tweeted followers: "Reminder 9:30 am show Holder and Obama what you think about the terror trial decision." The Keep American Safe website also posted a "call to action," urging protesters to storm the Senate on Wednesday morning, when Attorney General Eric Holder was scheduled to testify about the Obama administration's plan to bring 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other terrorism detainees to New York City to stand trial. Cheney's outfit asked its supporters to send Obama and his allies in Congress a clear message: "WE WILL FIGHT YOU ALL THE WAY."

No such message was delivered on Wednesday morning. When Holder arrived at  the committee room in the Dirksen Building, there were no demonstrators, no angry mob. Some 9/11 relatives who oppose trying KSM in New York were in the house. (There are 9/11 families on both sides of this debate.) But the scene was the same as that accompanying most hearings. There was not even a standing-room-only crowd. Plenty of empty chairs could be found in the seating section for the general public. No throng of irate citizens was gathered in the hallway or outside the building. The Capitol Hill police reported no signs of any protest. This was no tea party. Essentially, no one had responded to the urgent pleas from Rove, Gingrich, Kristol, and Cheney.

The hearing did heat up—because of the Republican senators present. Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) slammed the KSM decision, charging that it demonstrates that for Obama "fighting terrorism is not the priority it once was." He excoriated the Obama administration for believing "we can return to a pre-9/11 mindset."

This was no surprise. Republicans pounced on this issue immediately. Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) went on the House floor earlier this week and assailed the move, suggesting that because of the KSM trial, Mayor Michael Bloomberg's daughter could be "kidnapped at school" by a terrorist. (Bloomberg supports bringing KSM to Manhattan to face justice just blocks away from where the World Trade Towers once stood.) No doubt, conservatives will continue to bang this drum, claiming that the pending KSM trial somehow indicates that Obama is not serious about national security. But when it came to rousing right-wing foot-soldiers for this effort, Rove, Gingrich, Kristol, and Cheney had no luck. Next time they might want to consider outsourcing the job to Michele Bachmann.

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Cheney Enough Already

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I'm sick and tired of hearing Cheney talk about Obama. He recently talked about how Obama shouldn't have bowed down to the little fella from Japan, Hiro something or other. Do you think Obama is bowing down? He's showing simple respect for another culture. I'm sure if the emperor came to the White House he would give Obama a High Five. Obama is not showing any weakness. He is showing the world how most Americans are. Confident and Respectful. We give a lot of ourselves. Cheney should just disappear. He's do for another Heart Attack...He has put us in such harms way that he should be charged as a criminal. Cheney has not saved lives but cost lives. There are many soldiers and families that have been thrown into turmoil because of the Bush/Cheney team....

Cheney And his gang of crooks

In response to the above post. To be more specific 9/11 happened on Cheney's watch: More than 3,000 die. During the war(s) approximately 4,000 Americans have died or been killed in action. Almost exactly 40,000 soldiers have been critically injured in the war(s). So Cheney you and Bush have done a real good job of protecting America. It's sickening. One comment the DickHead made that sticks in my brain. "We are 100% certain that Sadaam has WMP's". However, they have zero percent idea where these WPD's are located. It's been so long honest to god I really don't know what or why we are fighting these war(s). One will never ever eliminate the Taliban or all Terrorists. All Bush and Cheney have done is fuel their growth. These guys are like cockroaches, they will never go away 100%. Bet on it!

First of all Mr. Novell it

First of all Mr. Novell it is WMD as in Weapon of Mass Destruction. Secondly, we did find a three story factory in Iraq containing yellow cake uranium. That could have easily been made into a dirty bomb and placed anywhere in the U.S.; yes, the yellow cake uranium is possible to transport. Thirdly, Iraq did have biological weapons that are classified as WMDs - it is commonplace for people to think WMD means Nukes, it most certainly does not. Moreover, the top threat listed by NSA for the past decade has been biological WMDs which we found - because, after all, we gave the biological WMDs to the Iraqis in the '80s. If you look at the facts, we have done much to curb the growth and organization of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda by having a military presence in the Middle East; this point is backed up by the fact that we have taken out several high ranking terrorist leaders and broken up cells all over the world at an unprecedented pace. I am not giving an opinion one way or the other. My purpose for making this post is to have you calm down a little and look at the facts before you claim you know them; which to say is a time consuming and often frustrating thing to do. Good luck in the future. You missed big on this one.

Both of the events you refer

Both of the events you refer too did not happen. It was misrepresentation by the bush administration that led to both of these reports. they were so desperate to find WMD's that they floated these stories. In fact there were no WMD's or operations to manufacture WMD's found in Iraq. No yellowcake. No Chemical weapons. No reason to invade Iraq. The administration was told this on multiple occasions by the chief weapons inspector for the UN but Bush and crew did not let facts get in the way of their drive for this war. Their own intelligence community verified the lack of WMD's but Cheney badgered them into manufacturing evidence. Nigerian Yellow-cake anyone? Insecticide factories that did not exist.

Maybe we could return to the

Maybe we could return to the pre-9/11 mindset where Dick Cheney thought the way to keep us safe was to spend billions on Cold-War Missle defense systems.

Cheney et al

Need to just stfu. I don't understand why prosecuting criminals for the crimes they committed in the place where said crimes were committed is a bad thing. Our justice system has successfully tried many terrorists in the past. They need to go away.

http://www.thehamandlegsshow.com

Trials

Not only am I glad that these terrorists will be tried in NY but if found guilty I would like to see them put to death and buried at the 9/11 site as a shinning example of what happens to you if you f#@k with the U.S.

The only problem with this

The only problem with this is, if we execute him, are we turning him into a martyr like he wants?

More Followers Needed...

More evidence that in order to get a few "angry" Republicans, neocons, and/or conservatives to show up, one needs to reach out to far more than this gang of 4 has access to. (Like the Fox News audience where reaching millions turns out thousands.)

More Republican Coverups?

What do these relics of the failed Bush (43) Administration fear?

Is there something they want to cover up? Does the most secretive, corrupt, and incompetent Administration in US history have yet more secrets?

It is time for a massive investigation.

Right wingers

My experience is that right wingers are basically very lazy. They know everything and they always have. They were not good students, preferring sports to academics because there was no homework. They were the classmates who did the least amount of work.

That is why they like Rush, Newt, Dick et al. All they have to do is listen.They don't have to think, which make their brains hurt.

Rush, Newt and Cheney were

Rush, Newt and Cheney were athletes? In what sport? Lazy people don't participate in physical activity, either. They were useless academically (Limbaugh came from a long line of attorneys, so naturally he ended up as a disc jockey), and were twice as useless on the playing field. To paraphrase James Carville, "It's easy to shout crap at the other team when you know you'll never have to get off the bench." And that's what these doughballs did. Doesn't anybody find it disgraceful that the most vociferous advocate of military force (Cheney) had to obtain 5 college deferments to avoid being sucked into the conflict in Southeast Asia? These cowards (they are most decidedly NOT men) love war, as long as they aren't required to fight it themselves.

Cheney et al

We all know that Cheney and Kristol and Sessions had their little butts handed to them in school, that's why they're wanna be bullies now but very few listen to them, rightly so...

Chickenhawks...

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They're sure trying hard to keep the whole Gitmo crowd under wraps, aren't they? Makes you wonder what they're hiding under there. I want the light of the truth to shine on and sterilize the whole ugly mess so we can finally heal as a nation.

Solution to solve the military recruitment crisis in the event of war: Each member of Congress must send at least one member of their family into the theatre as a minimal token of their support for said war. Those who have no family eligible to serve must pay $$$ to compensate for the lack of participation.

If nothing else, war would truly become an action of last resort, no matter what your socio-economic status!

Cheney et al need to 'put up or shut up'!

I'd much rather they bring

I'd much rather they bring back the draft. The problem with a "professional" army is that those that pursue the career may enjoy the job of war TOO much to be trusted with it for an extended period of time. Plus, as you say, every citizen has an obligation to support and defend that which is sacred to us - our Constitution.

They definitely need to have

They definitely need to have the trial for KSM in the court system. Cheney does not want this because It might shed more light on the abuses that the Bush/Cheney administration did in the name of defending "freedom". In his view the less that gets said about gitmo the better. I say that KSM isnt the only person who needs to be on trial....

http://torturingdemocracy.org/

Post 9/11 World

Everytime the Constitution is bypassed with the excuse "It's a post 9/11 world now", another dead terrorist gets his wings.

This has been the problem

This has been the problem with neo-cons in general and these traitors in particular. They have never believed in this country or our laws. They have always preferred to cower in the darkness rather than stand in the light of day.
They hate America and all it stands for. So of course they can not believe that our laws and our system of justice will prevail.

Why do they hate America?

So they don't trust the American justice system to handle the trial, the American law enforcement to keep NYC safe during the trial, the American prison system to not let them escape if convicted, the American Constitution to be worthy of protection, or the American people to not be converted by the statements of KSM on the stand.

Clearly they are great patriots, but what, exactly, is it about America that they actually like or trust?

That whole gang of four

That whole gang of four belongs in prison themselves,that would help make us safe.

I believe cheney, rove,

I believe cheney, rove, gingrich and kristol are scared to death the the truth about their involvement in 9/11 will come out..It is going to come out either by us or the hague..There is no limitation on war crimes and americans do not find this acceptable either..

They think the truth will continue to be covered up..Surprise.

I believe cheney, rove, gingrich and kristol are scared to death the the truth about their involvement in 9/11 will come out..It is going to come out either by us or the hague..There is no limitation on war crimes and americans do not find this acceptable either..

How come Rove, Cheney and

How come Rove, Cheney and Co. aren't in jail? They certainly should be, awaiting their trial for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and violations of the Bill of Rights, Habeas Corpus, and I'm sure plenty more valid charges that could be found.

Trial of the millenium

What a gas to see two of Rupert Murdoch's biggest hacks, Rove and Kristol along with two of the biggest, meanest Idealogs in the Republican Party come up so embarrassingly short. Maybe people are catching on to Murdoch, certainly they are on to the Republicans.
TMM

These four people are the

These four people are the axis of Republican evil.
There are no bigger sore losers than these men.
Amazing, entertaining and pathetic.

All these guys are probably

All these guys are probably afraid of the "truth about 9/11" coming out during the trial.

They should be in jail

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It didn't have to appear as the total dud it was. All they needed was readily available fox archive footage, any footage at all, to show a semblance of "a successful turnout"....

I agree. These guys should be facing charges, Cheney at the top of the list.

Cowering, quivering, little

Cowering, quivering, little she-men each.
Yelling from the back, forward charge.
From under the sheet they pretend valiance.
These prating fools of of uncertain origins.

Cowering, quivering, little

Aside that Rove is blubbery Fat. Thank You Emilio. Beautifully said!

9/11 trial

What are the republicans so afraid of? Is it that if the trial is held in NYC information might leak about their complicity of the crime. It should be held in the US and all Gitmo prisoners should be held here as well.

CHENEY!!!!

OMG!!!! My name is John Cheney (no relation, thank you... Naw, THANK GOD!
All through the Bush/Cheney years I had to cringe every time the dick was on the news.
My son, who has just started his first year of college, was teased relentlessly from grade school on.
And now the idiot just won't keep his neoconistic yap shut!!!
To top things off, now it appears we have the idiot daughter pushing HER way into the spotlight, with no credibility other than being the daughter of someone responcible for the death of over 4000 Americans for no good reason but his parinoid delusions of mushroom clouds he siphoned from some dream world of hysteria!
SOMEBODY GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!

What really happened on 9-11-01?

Study: Scientists Discover Active Thermitic Material in WTC Dust
Berkeley, CA, April 3, 2009 -- A new study by independent scientists and researchers suggests the cause behind the catastrophic destruction of World Trade Center Towers on September 11th can be seen in the dust itself: active thermitic material, a highly engineered explosive.

The study, published today in The Open Chemical Physics Journal, describes a finding of "red/gray bi-layered chips" in samples of dust taken from vicinity of the World Trade Center following its destruction. Using tools such as a scanning electron microscope (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) to analyze the material, the study authors concluded that, "the red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."

The study's finding lends new support to the demolition theory put forth by critics of the official reports.

At a time when the American public is finding it difficult to understand the full story behind the current economic crisis, findings of a demolition raise new questions about how the 'War on Terror' -- an enormous source of recent American spending -- was started.

Officials with the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), charged with establishing the cause of the buildings' destruction, have stated that they "did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel," and that thermite, "or another incendiary compound," would be too difficult to have placed in the buildings without notice.

NIST has stated that such difficulties make demolition unlikely. They concluded that aircraft impacts and the subsequent fires led to the building failures.

Dr. Steven Jones, physicist and author on the paper, says that NIST has refused to test the dust for thermite, super-thermite, or any other accelerant or explosive.

"We've repeatedly asked them to follow standard investigative procedure, to perform these tests and release the results. They haven't."

Jones says such tests may be required by fire protection codes.

Kevin Ryan, chemist and co-author on the paper, explained why he thinks NIST is wrong. "What we've discovered is not conventional thermite -- which is what NIST continues to refer to -- but a highly engineered thermitic material, or 'super thermite', probably designed for just this type of application."

Pre-planned demolition, supporters say, is the 'best-fit' model for the many unusual and unexplained characteristics of the building failures, such as the speed and symmetry of the collapses, and the extreme pulverization of the materials leading to clouds of micron-sized dust particles, described in one insurance report as behaving similar to a "volcanic eruption".

"One of the unusual features that piqued my interest," Jones said, "was the pools of molten metal seen in all three rubble piles, WTC 1, 2 & 7."

NIST officials have published a response stating that the condition of the steel was "irrelevant to the investigation of the collapse."

Jones, formerly a Professor of Physics with Brigham Young University and known for his work in muon-catalyzed fusion, published in Nature, Scientific American, and the Journal of Physical Chemistry, began researching the 9/11/01 attacks in 2005.

Jones discovered the curious thermitic material in 2007, when he ran a magnet over a dust sample given to him by a Manhattan resident survivor of the attack, and found that some particles were attracted to the magnet.

"That was very odd to me," he said.

Those particles turned out to be iron-rich microspheres, partially described in a 2001 USGS study of the dust.

But to fully analyze, describe and report on the thermitic material would take longer.

Jones was joined in that effort by several others including Dr. Niels Harrit, a chemistry professor with the University of Copenhagen for over 30 years and author of numerous research papers in journals such as Nano Letters, the Journal of the American Chemistry Society, and the Journal of Physical Chemistry A.

Harrit says that he is frequently asked why he researches the September 11th attack, and says has two answers.

"First, I am opposed to crime, and second, when my 6 grandchildren ask me, 'Grandfather, which side were you on?' I will be able to answer them, 'I was on your side'."

Co-author Dr. Jeffrey Farrer, a materials scientist and Director of the TEM (Transmition Electron Microscopy) laboratory at BYU, says he hopes the paper will "change the way the 9/11 truth movement is viewed by the mainstream public and media."

And chemist and co-author Kevin Ryan, a former Underwriters Laboratories manager, challenged the NIST report in public statements in 2004, and was consequently fired.

"This finding really goes beyond anything that has previously been shown," says Jones. "We had to use sophisticated tools to analyze the dust because this isn't just a typical explosive, RDX or CD4 or something -- this is a highly engineered material not readily available to just anyone."

In a 2006 interview with Deseret News, Jones noted that commercial explosives must contain tag elements for traceability, but that no law requires tagging of advanced forms of thermitics.

In 2008, several of these authors published three articles challenging the official reports in US scientific journals, The Open Civil Engineering Journal, The Environmentalist, and The Journal of Engineering Mechanics Dozens of other papers making similar challenges have been published in the sister publication of the Scholars group, The Journal of 9/11 Studies

Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization of over 700 independent researchers analyzing the September 11, 2001 attacks with a strong emphasis on the scientific method.

For information: http://www.stj911.com or
Contact: stj911@gmail.com
Phone: 510-769-5109
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NY trial of 911 detainees

The reason Cheney and his neocon crowd oppose these trials to be held in a criminal court in the NY is because it will be clear to everyone across the globe that KSM did not mastermind the 911 attacks. They were masterminded by the Bush Administration and Dick Cheney specifically. If they held closed military trials they would have the ability to suppress critical evidence from the media. That is why they oppose this so much.

The 911 commission was a sham. A group of terrorists in caves in Afghanistan could never pull off such a perfectly orchestrated attack on American defenses and infrastructure. Only people with high security clearances could tell the US military to stand down on that day as they were told. It is so obvious that those buildings were brought down with a controlled demolition set up weeks before the attacks. George W Bush's brother was in charge of security at the WTC just prior to the attacks and allowed the installation of the demolition materials.

There was a big "sigh" of

There was a big "sigh" of relief coming from these guys when saddam hussein was hung after the kangaroo court trial.

9/11 News Service

Thought this would be of interest to readers.

Since September 2001 I have maintained a free and confidential "9/11 list-serv".

The "9/11 list-serv" distributes daily e-mails containing newspaper articles and other relevant information re: 9/11 issues of interest to 9/11 families, 9/11 organizations and interested individuals.

The 9/11 List-serv archives can be accessed at http://groups.google.com/group/911-list-serv

If you would like to 'subscribe' to this free news service - send an e-mail to amkorotkin@aol.com with the word "subscribe" in the subject box.

Arnie

Gee, I wonder....

.....how many Democrats and/or Liberal-Progressive types would show to to support trying Rove and Cheney for THEIR Crimes against The (too many to count) People?!?
I must say that, after being forced to explain my anti-war-in-Iraq attitudes to an anti-Saddam dissident who'd been tortured by the same, I've come to accept that something Good has come out of those Bad Mens Actions; but like most Momma Jonesers, I KNOW that Bush fucked up and failed to respond to the Intelligence available to him - though it could have stopped 9/11, before it ever even happened - and that he probably was Glad the whole thing went down that way, so he could become our 'Homeland Protecting Reichs-President' (Prescot Bush Sr. would have been so Proud of his own little Hitler!)
Say.....did any of you read Meeses' (Frm. USAG Edwin #3, that is) statements, yseterday, that all of those Laws his Justice Dept. fought for (War On Marijuana, for example) are really all the Liberals Fault?
It was just another 'Bigger Government' scheme, you see.
Whoa! I just saw a PIG Fly!
JimRinX

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