The Rove Divorce

| Tue Dec. 29, 2009 1:40 PM PST

News flash: Karl Rove divorced his (second) wife last week. (And tweeted not one word about it.) Now liberal bloggers and Twitterers are having a field day (or hour), noting that the fellow who engineered George W. Bush's 2004 reelection by pushing anti-gay marriage initiatives in swing states has demonstrated (again) a less than enthusiastic stance regarding the sanctity of marriage.

For those looking for Rove quotes on the importance of heterosexual marriage, here's a useful tidbit from 2004. The weekend after Bush won reelection, Rove appeared on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace and declared that Bush would push for a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. The following exchange ensued:

WALLACE: Explain to me why civil unions can be handled at the state level but marriage can't.

ROVE: Well, marriage is a very important part of our culture and our society. If we want to have a hopeful and decent society, we ought to aim for the ideal. And the ideal is that marriage ought to be and should be a union of a man and a woman.

And we cannot allow activist judges to overturn that. We cannot allow activist local elected officials to thumb their nose at 5,000 years of human history and determine that marriage is something else.

No one ever can know what occurs within someone else's marriage, and people are indeed permitted to preach ideals they cannot meet. (Otherwise, the pulpits would be empty on Sunday morning.) But given that Rove contended that the way to "a hopeful and decent society" is by prohibiting gay marriage and promoting heterosexual marriage, the failure of his own heterosexual marriage is all the more tragic, meaning that this great nation is now one step further from becoming that "hopeful and decent society" Rove and the rest of us yearn for.

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Not just the marriage thing

Not just the marriage thing but "5000 years of human history" sounds like a biblical literalist (well, at least for some things - I don't remember what the bible says about divorce)

"But given that Rove

"But given that Rove contended that the way to "a hopeful and decent society" is by prohibiting gay marriage and promoting heterosexual marriage, the failure of his own heterosexual marriage is all the more tragic, meaning that this great nation is now one step further from becoming that "hopeful and decent society" Rove and the rest of us yearn for."

Fuck you David Corn and any liberal or conservative who judges anothers marriage and abuses it and exploits it and cheers on its demise.

Fuck you and die in a fire.

Why?

I worked goddamn hard on my marriage, and though it is years later, I am still a deeply injured individual because of its breakup. So though I can't stand Karl Rove, I will not, unlike you, do more than wish him and his ex-wife the best right now.

Seriously Corn, fuck yourself and then die.

Rove

WOW! I can see why you are divorced. Lighten up

Part of the issue may be

Part of the issue may be that you had to work hard on your marriage.
If I had to work hard on what was supposed to be a loving nurturing situation
I think I'd give up. Maybe your spouse got tired of having work to with you and decided enough was enough. If you have a visibly dysfunctional marriage, and it sure sounds like yours was, you've got to expect others to comment on it.
Were there children? How did they turn out?
You've got problems and wallowing in self pity and telling David to fuck off ain't going to help them.

What about the illegitmate

What about the illegitmate children sired with the households/staff? Are they considered liberals or conservatives? Word is that those sired , by the drunken elite bosses, at Xmas or New Years parties are what todays mid management consists of.

So this brings us to the McCain child, which was sired out of wedlock. Stating the obvious, this child lacks certain genetic traits absent to the parents. How fortunate is this child? It stands to reason that if you look like one of the McCains, life would suck for you.

Now back to the central theme here, to make the point. All of these compassionate conservatives have a common trait. A genetic trait, which suggests they are inbred. They have the mongoloid look, inset eyes, sloped foreheads, and their knuckle drag as they move about.

Hence, we can conclude that Rove is evidence that someone in the GOP was bothering the farm animals. Yes, them there pigs squeeled.

you're outta line

you knucklead, you missed the whole point corn was making. rove is someone who furthered the nutcase notion that allowing the gay couple across town to marry actually posed a threat to some hetero marriage elsewhere. that rove himself could not possibly have believed such drivel didn't stop him from cynically peddling it to public comfortable in its own bigotry. if there's such thing as karma with the demise of rove's marriage, there you have it.

The Rove Divorce

Wow this lady has nerve and a lot of guts to stay married to this piece of crap for all these years never seen her didn't think he was married just thought he was another one of those sick Republicans

What I think

Looks gay
Speaks gay
Acts like a closet gay
He sought cover as a married gay
Must be gay
Wouldn't you say?

(If I'm right, "gay" is the nicest thing anyone could say about this miserable toilet trout.)

Rove

I thought it was 8 million years of human history/evolution. Oh, yeah, I forgot, the earth is only 10,000 years old.

I always thought he was gay,

I always thought he was gay, at least the J. Edgar Hoover kind of gay. He looks a little like J. Edgar, but to be fair, haven't seen him in a dress.

On Roving from one, two, unto???

Well congrats to the former Mrs Rove! She came out ahead in more than one way, I am sure...

Congrats to your Corn for all

Congrats to your Corn for all the gay bashing in your comment thread.

Rove Divorce

From a Bible literalist- let me tell you. He is human...granted not a likeable or honest one, but a human one. But if you can't walk the talk ( and honestly no one can...that's pretty much the point) then shut up and when you put a target on your back,Mr. Rove, expect people to shoot at it.

I'm sorry to hear she didn't

I'm sorry to hear she didn't dump that prick sooner...

A Compliment for Karl Rove

I do believe Karl Rove would consider being called a prick a compliment.

Deep down inside, Rove has to know what he actually is and just being a prick is much better than he has managed to attain.

How do you draw such opinions?

I thought Liberals/Progressives were the "do your own thing" "moral relativism" "live and let live" "accept all life-styles" kind of people. You certainly express much hatred for a person I doubt any of you know or have even met. Does your deeply held belief of tolerance only apply to those with whom you agree?

I have heard Karl Rove speak and found him very knowledgeable in his field of election strategies. He could recall facts regarding voting patterns and voter statistics for not just states, but counties and precincts within those states.

Karl was hired as a strategist by Bush 43 to support his run for Texas governor. Karl's success in Texas was duplicated on the national level. The man did his job well...and did use issues to help his candidate win - which is no different than what Obama and his team did.

This was his second marriage and it lasted 24 years with one son born in 1989. The first marriage lasted only three years. Texas has a "no fault" divorce provision which the Roves used, meaning both agreed to dissolve the marriage.

Regarding the "5000 year comment" - I wouldn't jump right on Karl believing that is the age of the earth. The comment was "5,000 years of human history" which is accurate as that is the age of the oldest known written language and major civilizations. While polygamy was quite popular and accepted, there were still very strict rules about the "family unit" and its functionality. Karl's comments were in support of a belief that "activist judges" should not be making law, but ruling on exisiting case law and allow the legistlative process to make law. When followed, states that pushed gay marriage through either judges or state assemblies had the laws overturned on referendum vote. If that bothers some people, then they need to work harder at the grassroots levels.... much like the current Obamacare that is disliked by 58% of the voters and our elected officials are ramming down our throats. Referendums will correct that...they are called elections, in this case.

I am not here to defend Karl Rove, but some of you are just way overboard and need to do some objective homework.

You "thought" liberals/progressives...

Why did you think that? Seriously, why? If I wrote, "I thought conservatives were "anti-individual," "moral puritanism," "kill and let kill," "accept no life-styles but their own," would you take my beliefs seriously? Then why should we accord yours any respect.

Whether or not Rove is knowledgeable about electoral patterns and strategy has nothing to do with his personal morality and hypocrisy (or not) regarding marriage. What we do know is that a proponent of the sanctity of marriage, something conservatives once believed included opposing divorce, has had two failed marriages. Obviously, his personal life is his own, but if he's going to sit in judgment on the personal lives of others, including whether its justified to allow couples who've remained together longer than he's managed to do (with two tries), then he can't object if others sit in judgment on him. You yourself are free to argue that Rove's marriage(s) shouldn't be judged, and I hope you'd offer that same liberal outlook on gay marriages and civil unions.

Rove, of course, isn't at all concerned with judicial activism, and I'm quite certain that you aren't either. When courts decide to overturn state rules on affirmative action, minority districts, or medical marijuana (all of which conservative judges have done), Rove has been conspicously silent about such activism.

As far as I know, the earliest written records don't talk about marriage, not in the sense you're thinking of. Records from about a thousand years later talk about marriage contracts, mainly in terms of property. They weren't all that concerned with what you're calling "the family unit" and it's not clear what you mean by "its functionality." Family registers in China, or course, were very concerned with a family unit -- the household -- but not at all with marriage. There's the objective homework you failed to do.

The religious sanction for marriage that you're familiar with is a medieval European invention, one that legitimates procreation (and thus rendered many children legally illegitimate). The early years of northern European settlement in North America included a specific decision to separate weddings from religious sanction. There's some more homework.

Look, Rove is a buffoon and a hypocrit. That is perhaps not unusual at the higher levels of national politics, but it's not anything you ought to be wasting your time defending.

It's striking that the pro-family values party has no problem with this, just as the anti-government spending crowd was so quiet during the past eight years of run-away government spending . . . often pushed by those who are so loudly opposing spending now. The conservative wing of the GOP seems to have no problem with divorced men setting the political agenda or running for President, evangelicals vote to elect (and re-elect) men who don't have any interest in attending church or behaving in a Christian manner, and pro-military conservatives keep voting against democratic candidates with substantial military service, and don't see any of this as inconsistent. One might think that supporting multiple divorcees and serial adulterers would in fact make you one of those "'do your own thing' 'moral relativism' 'live and let live' 'accept all life-styles' kind of people" you seem to object to.

But don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs. Even though the group you think you oppose is largely a product of your imagination, go right on tarring liberals, progressives, and democrats in general for traits that are more common among the people you support, go right on believing that the current president is somehow a socialist and a fascist, and don't be alarmed when people laugh at your hypocrisy. They're just elitists, or something. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Take a chill pill!

Wow...Keith...calm down! My comment about libs/progressives etc was a bit tongue in cheek... The fact is intolerance knows no political or religious boundaries and my comment was in reaction to the hate and vitriol leveled at Karl Rove, et al that represent the opposing opinions of most MJ readers. Did I strike a nerve with you?

The fact is left leaning people typically claim tolerance for differing lifestyle choices, a woman's right to choose, etc. Their tolerance is short lived however when the names Bush, Rove, and Palin are mentioned. Where is the great level of human tolerance there? I am not saying you shouldn't have this feeling, just don't be hypocritical.

Regarding marriage history... let's not quibble here, but the basic family unit, which could include multiple wives and concubines, was well in place 2000 years B.C. Whether contracted or a matter of tribal recognition, written history describes this arrangement and social mores regarding behaviors.

Regarding many of your comments, I agree. For example, I support civil unions. In that same vein, I support plural marriages - and no, I am not Mormon. Does that mean I want multiple wives? No way... one is enough. I even support legalizing all drugs. Provide them through government regulated outlets at low regulated prices so we know the drugs are clean. Of course, any illegal trafficking in drugs would be instant death. This would put the drug cartels out of business tomorrow and drug use might even go down.

Hypocracy runs rampant among all our politicians. I am conservative on most of my views and when I see massive government spending by whomever I get very upset. When I see the poor motivated to stay that way I get very upset. When I see activists taking advantage of peoples' problems, I get upset.

Lastly, I do want my leaders expressing strong, healthy, and proven values. Do I expect them to always live up to them? No. I am disappointed when they do not, but I am old enough to not be surprised, either.

I have heard Karl Rove speak

I have heard Karl Rove speak and found him very knowledgeable in his field of election strategies.

Come on Barry,
So it was fine with the smear of McCain at Bob Jones University? To suggest that the little black girl the McCain's adopted was an illegimate child, speaks to the ends that the lowest will go. Prior to the election, putting this very misinformation under windshield wipers at churches. That speaks to both Rove and the compasionate conservative Christian nut -jobs.

All I see is the lack of character and or ethics in the commoner. Not to mention the moral terpitude which is absent in this group of folks. The very folks who fail at their own high standards.

I agree

Such tactics by whomever is wrong. However, rumors are easy to start and promulgate via the web.

I have researched this rumor and have seen it duplicated, have seen Rove's denials, and still no solid proof that Rove intimated such a lie.

Rove did in fact write a column in which he spoke of Mccain's heroism while a captive in North Vietnam and his wife's compassion by bringing back from India a child which they later adopted. Rove explains in this column that Cindy actually brought back two babies, the second one being adopted by friends. The stated reason for writing the column was Rove's recommendation that Mccain do more during the election to show this side of himself and his family.

Regarding lack of character or ethics...you can find that in any group, starting with Illinois politicians and associates.

Bush for Governor

Correction: Karl "gay" Rove actually SOLICITED George W. "party guy" Bush to make him Governor...then President. Yes he was successful both times in pandering to the fringe fanatical "brain dead" right who were paranoid over Ann Richards being a lesbian and John Kerry not being patriotic enough. Rove should tr and remember as much as he can about elections to prevent him ever being tripped up by the "truth" of how he help orchestrate the theft of two elections.

Regardless of what you think of Rove..

The elections were not stolen. A majority of electoral votes were won by Bush. A small group of fringe "brain dead" right wingers could not amass 272 or more electoral votes on their own. Let's not re-write history, ok?

Now...if you want to talk fringe groups, let's get into the voting patterns and stories of ACORN et al in electing the current office holder. Or how about ACORN's tactics in providing financing for pimps and whores? Those are facts caught on tape and on the record - and not just in one isolated location.

What facts do you have? Not "internet facts"... but real facts.

sorry but,

who cares????
pointing this about Rove does not help same sex marriage rights. In fact it might hurt it by repeating the same rantings that are expected of all of us liberals.

Besides, is anyone surprised about his low moral standards???? we all knew that. his private life is nothing compared by what his moral standards did to us in public life.

ugly thread

Wow, this is an ugly thread ! Lots of hatred. Happy New Year but I wonder if you'll get it.

An Ugly Thread?

Well, Anonymous, you can't expect much else.

For political purposes, Rove has condemned all family units which don't fit the ideal of the demographics Republicans have used to turn out the vote: conservative who like religions patriarchal and marriages heterosexual, and at least allegedly faithful.

And there it is. Rove has profited from evoking or instilling hatred towards any family model which doesn't fit that mold, particularly gay marriages and single-parent families. (Remember the Quayle attack on Murphy Brown? Or any Republican attack on women raising their children on welfare?)

He has repeatedly lauded hetero marriage as the one, the only, the finest human relationship, a bond to preserved at all costs, and somehow magically made even MORE special by not allowing same sex partners to marry.

And now here he is, dissing his second marriage, leaving his second wife. I know gay couples who have been together far more than 24 years. Who is Karl Rove to tell the rest of the country how to marry? Well, he's the guy the rest of the country is going to make fun of when his own marriages flop.

Rove's political approach to marriage, gay or straight, has been cynical in every regard. When he has worked so hard to make my marriage, and your marriage, and George Takei's marriage, and Bill Clinton's marriage, a focus for public examination and judgment, he puts his own marriage (and the failure thereof) squarely in the public eye.

Every marriage which fails comes apart for its own unique set of reasons, and not one straight marriage, even Rove's, has come undone because in some few states in the nation, gay couples are finally being allowed to tie the knot -- despite his mendacious, hate-mongering claims to the contrary when he's out trying to agitate the electorate.

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