Poor Losers

Clara,
You seem to have overlooked what causes the most poverty in America:
(1) Illegal Drug consumption (2) Alachol abuse (3) Out of wedlock births: i. e. the immoral copulation explosion in many areas of the country
(4)the unwillingness of many young people to accept jobs they do not like or feel overqualified for (5)failure to even try to save money; it is the old "if I got it I am gonna spend it
mentality." (6)the go out to eat mentality. (All fast food is expensive and for thew most part unhealthy!!)
I am an American who started out with nothing but a willingness to work and live what I believed to be an honest and moral life that honored God and respected the laws of my country. Now, after more than 50 years in the working forces of this great country (USA) I am fully convinced that my observations given above are true. In fact, I am living proof that The American Dream is still alive and very much available to all who are willing to accept certain parameters of just clean, wholesome, and sensible living. Thanks!! ls

Larry, It seems like you are the one who is overlooking certain causes, for example the fact that the economy and society in the US have changed a lot in the past 20 years and it seems like you missed it. Illegal drugs, alcohol, and "out of wedlock births" (who speaks that way) are NOT the main cause of poverty but merely a symptom of it. Certainly liberal sex, i.e what Larry calls "immoral copulation" (the facts he has to say immoral copulation says it all) has nothing to do with it. Poverty in the US is not a moral or religious issue but has more to do with bad economic and social policies. It is too wast of a subject to discuss in detail here, but suffice it to say that the American Dream is, today, a dream for the rich and wealthy and for the poor and the middle class it remains just this, a dream. Thanks Larry for so completely misunderstanding todays society and economy. Your personal conviction are sweet, but totally irrelevant to the situation of a lot of Americans who live in poverty. Clara makes some good points and points out some interesting statistics. Bad policies by conservative and religious politicians who falsly claim their religious (mis)beliefs to be moral values is ruining this country, not sex or lack of hard work. What we need are social and economic reforms as well as more equality and justice.

Refuting Refuting Larry?
Larry has some very good points, although it’s obvious from your post that his language bothered you as much as his content. Each of the factors he listed is both a symptom and a cause of poverty, hence the phrase, “The poor get poorer”.

(1) Illegal Drug consumption & (2) Alcohol abuse
If you’re wealthy and addicted to a drug you are likely to get real medical treatment for your addiction, including long term psychological aid to keep you from relapsing. The poor don’t get either. On the other hand, if you’re poor and you’re abusing drugs or alcohol, there is a very good chance that you are self-medicating for psychological illnesses that have gone undiagnosed and untreated. Oh, and if you’re poor and use drugs, you’re more likely to get caught: if you’re poor and caught you’re more likely to go to prison; if you’re poor and have a prison record . . .

Solutions: Provide health care to poorer Americans; provide jobs to convicts; create a system of justice that does not discriminate against the poor.

(3) Out of wedlock births
A single mother with a professional level income can pay for childcare while she works, but a minimum wage earning single mother has to quit even that job to take care of her baby. This is exacerbated by her partner’s failure to pay child support. If she does manage to keep working while pregnant and while raising a child, it will be difficult with little to no sick-time available from her employer. Oh, and the fact that she has a child in the first place? That’s more likely due to her lack of knowledge about or access to effective birth control than any association between poverty and promiscuity.

Solutions: Provide healthcare and health education to poorer Americans, enforce child support payments, living minimum wage law.

(4) The unwillingness of many young people to accept jobs they do not like or feel overqualified for.
If you’re smart or talented but poor, you are still likely to attend a poor school where you get a poor education. The same person with a good education is likely to find suitably challenging employment.

Solutions: An education system that teaches the poor as well as the wealthy, and which motivates students to pursue higher education and appropriate careers.

I could go on, but each one of these points is worthy of its own article.

This is all too true. I've had to work substantial overtime and/or multiple jobs since I graduated just to survive. People shouldn't have to work 7 days/90+ hours a week just to eke out a living. Not that I'd call this "living".

this is what the country should be focusing on and the subsequent and core issues resulting from the compassionate conservative regressive policies.... instead we focus on john edwards hairdo and ombama and hilary's catfights... shame on us!!!

Now that opens up a topic I've been chewing on for some time. I was born poor and I am still poor, some of which I caused by poor choices, most of which is caused by regional circumstance.

Where I live (and have always lived) used to be a farming/manufacturing area. Today, most of the farms are gone (a couple high tech corporate farms remain) most of the factories have closed.

But...

Retail is still here, peddling wares and flashing sale signs and fighting amongst themselves over the few spare pennies people have left after being soaked for higher housing costs, utility costs, insurance costs (not just medical, car insurance isn't cheap) food costs, child care costs and so on and so forth. Those spare pennies aren't in the pockets of retail employees.

Oh, we have the doctors, lawyers and government employed crowds... but it is almost as if the poor population needs to be maintained. After all, if too many poor servants were educated and did break the chains of poverty... who would serve those living a comfortable life?

Just something that has been on my mind. I don't really mind working in the retail industry but then I am highly amused by the observations I make on a day to day basis. A little over minimum wage and free entertainment; what more could a poor woman want?

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