Why You Can't Buy a New Car Online

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Blame Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and the influential car-dealer lobby.

Tue Feb. 10, 2009 2:05 PM PST

Americans can buy virtually anything over the Internet these days—sex, booze, houses—everything, that is, but a new car. If you want to buy a new Ford Fusion, you have to go down to your local dealership and haggle with the car salesmen, an unpleasant and daunting task. The process usually subjects consumers to hours in the dealership hotbox and can add hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars to the price of the car. Wouldn't it be nice if you could cut out the middleman and just order your Prius straight from Toyota?

But you can't. And there's one reason why: the car-dealer lobby, which has worked hard to ensure that this will never happen. Since the late 1990s, car dealers have used their considerable political clout to pass or better enforce state franchise laws that in many cases make it a criminal offense for an auto manufacturer to sell a new car to anyone but a state-licensed car dealer. The laws governing who can sell new cars are among the most anti-competitive of any domestic industry. By creating local monopolies for dealerships and prohibiting online sales for new cars, they constitute a major restraint on interstate commerce; in 2001, the Consumer Federation of America estimated [pdf] that the laws added at least $1,500 to the price of every new car.

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These parochial state laws also make the distribution system for new cars incredibly inefficient and expensive, one factor in the financial problems facing the Big Three in Detroit. Online sales would help companies like GM and Chrysler align production to sales better by allowing more people to buy their cars built-to-order from the factory, rather than having Detroit send out truckloads of vehicles to sit around on dealer lots for months in the hopes that a rebate offer will finally entice someone to buy them.

Now that the federal government is bailing out GM and Chrysler to the tune of $13.4 billion, and Congress is demanding major changes in the way they're run, consumer advocates think the time is ripe for Congress to clear the way for online sales as part of its effort to move Detroit out of the Stone Age. You'd think they would find a sympathetic ear among deregulatory Republicans who take great umbrage over any state interference with the free market, but you'd be wrong. Most free-market Republicans have no interest in taking on the car dealers, who are among their strongest local supporters. Since 1990, American car dealers have given more than $66 million to federal candidates, with more than three-quarters going to Republicans.

For decades, Republican governors have been some of the dealers' biggest champions and have signed much of the legislation creating their bulwark against real competition. California legislator Mark Leno discovered just how entrenched these roadblocks are in 2005, when he introduced legislation to let consumers buy hybrid and other low-emission vehicles directly from manufacturers online. The bill came in response to evidence that local dealerships were price-gouging consumers seeking hybrids, which were then in short supply. Environmentalists believed the savings consumers were likely to get by purchasing online would spur more sales for the cleaner cars and encourage automakers to produce more of them.

The bill would have allowed people to order their Priuses online and have the manufacturer deliver them to their doors—or, alternately, they could pick them up at Costco or the local dealership. The bill would have even allowed people to buy the cars on eBay or Amazon. Leno's office estimated that the bill would have little impact on the dealerships, because hybrids accounted for less than 1 percent of all new car sales. But he underestimated the power of the dealers, who were the reason legislation was needed in the first place.

Back in 1973, then-California governor Ronald Reagan signed a law that effectively prohibited any new car dealerships from opening within a 10-mile radius of another existing dealership selling the same make of car. The law was a gift to one of Reagan's "kitchen cabinet" members, Holmes P. Tuttle, and decades later would have made it difficult for hybrid manufacturers to create pickup facilities (which required dealer licenses) for cars ordered online.

Tuttle had famously sold a car to Reagan when he was an out-of-work actor. Tuttle went on to create one of the nation's largest car dealerships and helped fund Reagan's first run for governor. Reagan repaid him by signing the dealer franchise law. "A statutorily created monopoly was signed into law by Reagan to help his friend Mr. Tuttle," says Leno. He says Tuttle had been pushing for a law that prohibited the establishment of any new dealership without the majority support of the dealerships in that part of the state. Instead, he got the 10-mile exclusionary zone. Leno notes that the law was vigorously opposed by California state senator George Moscone, who was later assassinated, along with Harvey Milk, when he was mayor of San Francisco. Moscone labeled the bill "the turkey of the year," and issued a prescient statement observing that the bill would "freeze, for all time, the ability of new car dealers to make money without worrying about competition…How in the name of free enterprise could the governor even consider signing a bill that shuts off any future competition?"

Moscone's objections fell on deaf ears. Today, Tuttle's son Robert, who still owns the family auto chain, is the outgoiong US ambassador to the UK, an indication of just how strong the political clout of the car dealers—and the Tuttle clan—remains. Needless to say, Leno's bill to amend the franchise law never even made it out of a Democrat-controlled policy committee.

His experience isn't unusual. In the late 1990s and early 2000, the auto manufacturers themselves, sensing the potential of the Internet, attempted to challenge state franchise laws that restricted their ability to sell over the Internet. They got clobbered, and in no small part because of Republican governors, who, like Reagan, counted local car dealers as political supporters.

In 1999, as governor of Texas, George W. Bush signed what was then the nation's toughest law in the country banning new car sales online. Egged on by local car dealerships, state regulators invoked the law to help shut down Ford's fledgling attempt to sell used cars online. Ford had started letting people buy used cars on its website; local dealerships delivered them. But Texas regulators cracked down, threatening Ford with $10,000 daily fines for allegedly violating a state law banning manufacturers from selling their products directly to the public. Ford tried to fight back in court, arguing that the state franchise law was a restraint on interstate commerce, but the court was no more sympathetic than the governor. The federal judge hearing the case wrote that if Ford were allowed to sell cars online, "all state regulatory schemes would be nullified" as they "fall before the mighty altar of the Internet." Texas regulators, never known for regulating much of anything, also forced GM to abandon its foray into e-commerce. The automaker had bought a handful of dealerships in the state to use as distributors for cars bought online, but regulators refused to give GM a dealer license. GM gave up and sold off the dealerships.

Texas inspired car dealers in other states to seek similar protections from competition. Arizona, for instance, passed a law that not only blocked manufacturers from selling cars online but also restricted manufacturers from offering other services online, such as financing. Other states followed suit, as car dealers feared predictions that only half of them would survive the next seven years thanks to competition from the Internet. Since then, the manufacturers have largely given up the fight.

"We have a very good relationship with our dealerships," says Charles Territo, a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents 11 manufacturers, including the Big Three. "The dealers are the faces of the manufacturer." Territo says that after their experience trying to change state laws in the 1990s, the manufacturers have no interest in picking a battle with the dealerships over online sales, which he considers unworkable anyway.

"What about sales tax?" he demands, suggesting that if people start buying cars over the Web, local governments would be deprived of revenue that supports their communities. He says that in California, fully 25 percent of state tax revenue comes from vehicle sales. Even if people could buy new cars online, he says, the nature of the sales means that the "dealer would still need to be part of the equation," either because they would need to service the cars or arrange delivery of them.

Territo says that the lack of Internet sales is the least of the problems for the automakers right now, when the credit markets have made it virtually impossible for many consumers to buy new cars. "It doesn't matter whether you buy it on the Internet or on a street corner—if you can't get credit, you're not going to be able to buy that car," he says.

Territo's argument mirrors that of the car dealers. Jack Fitzgerald, the owner of a chain of dealerships in Maryland who's known as an honest broker among consumer advocates, calls online new car sales "a pipe dream." From his perspective, the state franchise laws that prevent manufacturers from selling their own products "are what little protection dealers have against the abuses of the manufacturers," which have a long history of beating up on both their own employees and their dealerships, which the companies force to assume much of the risk of the sales business, he says.

Fitzgerald suspects that if the manufacturers could sell new cars directly over the Internet, consumers would actually pay more for them than they do now. Right now, he says, dealerships actually pay about $2,500 more for a car from the manufacturer than they sell it for. Dealerships make their money elsewhere—on repairs and servicing, financing, and other products. Fitzgerald says that the manufacturers haven't sold cars directly to the public in 75 years, since the days when you could buy a car at Sears. Those sales didn't work out, he insists, because someone still has to service the car, and that's usually the dealership.

Jack Gillis, the Consumer Federation's executive director, says allowing online new car sales wouldn't necessarily remove dealerships from the equation. It would just introduce more competition into the marketplace and reduce some of the inefficiencies in the distribution system. If Ford or GM could sell cars through Amazon or eBay, for instance, the dealerships could still handle the deliveries and warranty work. Indeed, Fitzgerald concedes that under such an arrangement, he might actually make more money than he does now.

"It's unfortunate that the car companies have capitulated to the desires of the dealers," says Gillis, noting that allowing online buying might actually stimulate sales. "The loser there, first and foremost, is the consumer, but ironically, so is the industry," he says. "People would flock to the Internet."

Stephanie Mencimer is a staff reporter in Mother Jones' Washington bureau. For more of her stories, click here.

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Why

Dealers are part of a functioning comunitiy. They pay taxes on revenues and employ local people and are mostly pop and mom type of businesses. Cutting the middle man out means less jobs and less money in a local context. Most of it going directly to an enterprise that offshores most of its revenues and are very proficient at avoiding taxes. This impoverishes people. If selling through internet would result in lower prices - no way this is going to happen. It just gives 10% extra revenue to manufacturers and streamlines pricejacks for the future. Keep it atomized as it is and replace the unpleasant dealerpractices with a sincere customerpartnership.

Please, read the article completely before you comment

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Most (if not all) the comments I'm seeing don't take into account the fact that most dealers are ALREADY selling cars for less than they have to pay the manufacturers for them, themselves. They make their profits on upkeep. Read the article, the dealers' assertions admittedly fall flat on their faces; "If Ford or GM could sell cars through Amazon or eBay, for instance, the dealerships could still handle the deliveries and warranty work. Indeed, Fitzgerald concedes that under such an arrangement, he might actually make more money than he does now." Eventually, like most darkly evil Republican schemes, this one will see the light of day and fall by the wayside; simply because no one in business can remain stupid forever and still stay in business. Monopolies are bad business, everyone loses in the end, plain and simple. It does usually take someone to point out the facts to the public first, however. :)

yes, we can have all the

yes, we can have all the access through the net. We can buy anything we wanted, except for a new car. But, if you're after for a used car, then the net can provide listings.

Car dealers are

Car dealers are parasites. There is no need for middle men in order to complete a transaction between two parts. But this parasitic mentality is the core of the american-way economy and americans had been trying to infect the whole world with this mentality. When the rest of the world doesn't accept the mentality i.e. the embedding of parasitism in their economic traditions, there come american bombs, rockets, guns, battleships and orange "revolutions". All for the "right" of the parasite to lead a prosperous life without creating anything. Throughout the world people sell and buy. The less the number of the persons included in the process, the best for the seller and the buyer. But the various friedmans, who posed as economic "gurus", wanted only to demolish the State in favour of their parasitic friends, not for imposing a healthy economic climate.

Buying a car on-line

Let's see; I can't buy a Sony television form Sony on-line. I can't buy a motorcycle from Kawasaki on-line. I can't buy a prescription directly from Merck on-line either. The point is there are a lot of things I cannot buy direct from the manufacturer on-line. What's the big deal? I know, another heady piece of journalism from MoJo. Because the gov't chose to give Detoit automakers money adn bail them out of their mess, does not defact make the gov't experts in the making or selling of automobiles. What's their template for success? Fannie Mae; Freddie Mac? Maybe Barney Frank should run these businesses (into the ground) as well? When will the public learn that the, OUR gov't, does NOT produce anything. The only money making entity of today's US gov't are the mints; and only in producing coins.

Oh please -

Oh please - http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catal...

And the Kawasaki argument is absurd, because that is also a vehicle.

No Lossed Income

The article indicates people should be able to order their cars on-line from the manufacturer and pick them up at the local dealer. I don't see how you can save money this way. The dealer is still going to have a contract with the manufacturer for "dealer prep" charges. Also, local taxes would apply. Most states are finding ways to tax on-line sales. The only thing that gets removed from the mix is the haggling, the lack of custom configuration, and the hidden financing.

So much for a free market economy

Ah. Thank you for answering a question I have had in the back of my mind. I spent some time in the US (I am English) and traveling around the country, I was surprised at how often I saw cars on the back of trucks. Often the same type of car headed in both directions. Now I know. It was unsold inventory with auto-parking facilities that no one wanted. :)

I've been in the auto

I've been in the auto industry for 25 years and have asked myself the same question, and always come up with the same answer: Most people that are looking for a vehicle don't "buy" a car, they are "sold" a car. I was one of those who was convinced by the mid 90's hypebole of the glorious future of internet sales. Assuming that dealerships would morph into the Sears-like concept mentioned in the article. Now that most every dealership in the U.S. has had an internet sales department in place long enough to analyze true sales numbers, the general conclusion is it helps to sell a few cars but at less profit per unit. Buyers are internet savvy enough to do their shopping online, but their ass still has to hit the seat and go for a drive before most sales will be completed. Every state has it's own consumer protection laws based on the issues that are considered most important to their citizens, and are based on issues that have arisen in their jurisdiction. The federal gov't would have to declare null and void these laws in order for true internet sales to legally completed. Speaking of the federal gov't, they have their own set of rules that include checking names against terrorist watch lists, truth in lending laws and the soon to be activated after a six month delay, the Red Flag Program. I'm all for getting the consumer the best deal for their dollar but, unless you have mandatory federal guidelines for resolving disputes (not likely anytime soon considering the bigger issues facing the economy right now) I'll call "true" internet buying of new vehicles an idea that sounds good until somebody gets hurt and then demands protection from the currently non-existant gov't agency that would be in charge of settling these disputes. I am not a new car dealer so this will not affect me no matter how it turns out.

I sorta bought mine online

I was able to get my car at exactly the price I was quoted online, with all the bells and whistles I wanted. The only difference was the color of the car, which in retrospect I like even more. I didn't have to haggle with anyone, and the old guy (salesman) was rather pleasant to me. I was happy to test drive the model, ask a million questions, and get the general feel of the car. It was the finance guy who was the problem, but I made sure he corrected his bogus marked-up numbers, and I left a happy woman. I envy people who buy shoes and clothes online; when it comes to things I must wear, or use with touch in some manner, I have to see it, and feel it before I would buy. Online shopping doesn't work for me in those areas.

manufacturers working around restrictions?

A friend of mine recently purchased a new car from a Toyota dealer in the Bay Area using an on-line quote system on Toyota's web site that contacts all dealers local to the customer. After making arrangements to buy the car from the lowest bidder, my friend found upon arriving at the dealership that the on-line sales person worked in a separate building from the rest of the sales staff, and claimed he worked for Toyota directly. "I just want you to know when we go by the showroom floor, those guys all hate me."

I live in Illinois and I

I live in Illinois and I remember when all gasoline station pump islands were "full-service." Then somebody (some monied interest) had the bright idea that we should go self-service. Yes, we saved some money but we lost something as well. I am not defending the car dealer folks, but self-service aint the utopia we think that it is.

don't forget: we're also

don't forget: we're also talking about jobs here. in Oregon, there was a ballot initiative some years back to bring in self-serve gas. it lost in part because, however crappy the job is to most people, pumping gas is a job. selling cars is a job, too, and there are a lot of people trying to make a living that way. before we toss the baby out with the bathwater, we need to have some idea what is going to happen when thousands of jobs are lost -- and if we go online at all, it's going to be big-time online. let's have a solution for the unintended consequence that is absolutely predictable.

I bought my last car through AAA

My region's AAA chapter has a buyer service. You can get any car you want at fleet rate. No game-playing, haggling, or treating the buyer like he or she is stupid and ignorant. And, they deliver it to your door. They'll even take your old car away as a trade-in. They'll finance it, too. I got a better rate than I would've gotten from my credit union. I don't know if one could get a better price on a vehicle negotiating with a dealer, but if you can, it's probably not much. And, as with another poster, you might not get the color you want. Big deal. I understand what people are saying about keeping dealerships, as it provides jobs. I just want to have the CHOICE of whether or not to deal with them. I would rather not. I don't like being treated like garbage, especially considering the amount of money I am about to spend. I'll be going through AAA again for my next vehicle, even if it winds up costing me a little more in the end.

AAA Really?

You just disproved the original writers point. You just said that you would rather pay a little extra for customer service. Thank you, and the car industry thanks you. Where do you thing AAA bought the car?

"Right now, he says,

"Right now, he says, dealerships actually pay about $2,500 more for a car from the manufacturer than they sell it for. Dealerships make their money elsewhere—on repairs and servicing, financing, and other products."(Dealership owner Jack Fitzgerald) If I had a business that lost $2,500 for each unit sold I would be begging my elected representatives to allow someone else to sell the product and I would retain the profitable parts of the business. As for community job losses any job created to force the consumer to pay for a service that they do not need should be eliminated. I also question the truth of the "$2,500 loss" statement. If true then the profit margin on "other products" must be very lucrative and cause me to wonder if those services are also protected and amount to a legalized monolopy. The current economic morass is going to require changes in the automotive industry. Now is a good time to examine every aspect of the industry and make needed reforms. Mother Jones should lead the way in giving the public the facts about the industry, especially in exposing the undue legislative influence of the automotive industry from the local to the national level.

This would seem like a

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This would seem like a typical "chick written" article. Please stick to fashion tips becuase your slip is showing on this article. Unlike those whom have 40K to blow in a Volvo and return it if you don't like it for another 40K on a Saab? Many would like to sit down and see would this car or truck will be for "you" and that's where a dealer comes in to play. Who would really buy a car on line anyway w/o driving the darn thing... sounds like the same people whom would but 5 condos in Miami only to get stuck with the bill when the market drops... oh government save me from my own educated stupidity!

Chick written?

Maybe or maybe not but, unlike your note, it is written in correct English.

This article is incredibly

This article is incredibly misleading. It is basically blaming the system of dealer franchise laws on two Republicans in two states: California (Reagan) and Texas (Bush). So does this mean the other 48 states do not have the same type of laws? In fact the first franchise law was passed in 1937 in Colorado and is currently being amended by Senate bill 91 by Chris Romer, a Democrat!. These franchise laws and the ability to order a car directly from a manufacturer is not the "fault" of two individuals. So much for "Smart" journalism!

car dealers

why cant a buyer have a car salesman arrested. they steal money!example; low balling and turning over ... quoting a false very low price then bring in some creep that screams munbers to cofuse the buyer while the salesman stands aside. thats just one filthy tactic that all car dealers use. yes ALL car dealers use.stealing your trade in.is a orther.lying about finance.keeping then in thier showroon by requiring the buyer to give them a check for some stupid reason befor they even buy anything! car should be sold like washing machine or refrigs with a set price , that is where compitition would come in if x dealer is selling his car for x amount then dealer y could sell his car for y minus one ect ect. then there would be no need for the sleazey have to steal make money salesman. a dealer would need a few salesman at the most to ans qts standard forms would be processed by a clerk. the saturn is now being sold in this manner i belive all cars should be sold this way. car sales r accepted fraud and the thief of the our monies should be a felony

Yeah, how'd that Saturn

Yeah, how'd that Saturn thing work out?

online vehicle buying

So you mght be interested in my online buying experience. Researched for weeks what looked good and what applealed to me and finally decided to buy 2009 XXXXX. Once I had decided what to buy I contacted the manufacturer and after sending them my just what I wanted, you know color, options etc they gave a price and said that as soon as I sent them the money for the car I could expect it to be delivered in about 8 weeks. So I contacted my bank and told them what I was buying a new car and that I wanted to borrow the $23,000.00 that the manufacturer required me to send them that so that they would build my car and deliver it right to my house. My bank then asked what I was going to do about my present loan on my car. I said that as soon as I started driving my new car I was going to put my car up for sale, you know, Craigslist, Autotrader, whatever and sell it. Well they said that how were they going to be assured that they would get the money from me to satify the loan I already had. I said, well when I get the money from the buyer I found I would pay them. They said thats not acceptable. So what was I to Do, they said sell your car and pay off your loan and them we will be more then happy to give you a loan to buy the new car. Yeah, but unless I could find a buyer who would give me the money for my car and then wait 8 weeks to get it, I saw no other way to get this online thing done. Jeesus. So I advertised my car on Craigslist and you know what happened? I found a buyer. When I told him my plans he said that he needed a car now and couldn't wait 8 weeks to get my car and he certainly wasn't going to give me $11,000.00 for my car without taking it home. You can see wher this is heading and I'm not going to bore you with the things like service, Lemon Laws, sitting in the car for the first time and finding out finding out that with my long legs the seat doesn't go back far enough etc..........FAIL

Blame Reagan,Blame Bush, Blame Ourselves

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While we can rightly blame Ronald Reagan, two generations of George Bushes and the auto industry, we have to take the rap ourselves. We vilified those that even said anything perceivably critical of either. I survived the 1970s and 80s and far more than vaguely remember that saying anything critical of the Gipper was to incur accusations of being a “commie,” “pinko,” “fellow traveler” or “radical militant.” Even the word “liberal” has become a curse word because of “Dutch.” We went along with him and gleefully voted for him twice. With “Daddy Bush” we tried to keep the party going. We fooled ourselves into thinking that we had to choose security over civil liberties and put “Baby Bush” in the White House twice. We scoffed at those that said that building prisons would be too expensive as being “soft on crime.” We were given the power to castigate those that committed atrocities during the Second World War but we treated war criminals more humanely than we did those that risked their lives to stop them. We interned our own citizens more than once, allowed the use of brute military force including the devastating powers of strafing from the air and martial arts against our own helpless citizens more than once and subjected them to the most heinous medical experiments beyond the sociopathic imagination of even the Nazis and/or Imperial Japanese in Manchuria. We consistently supported the wrong side in every global and internal conflict since the so-called “Good War,” including a state that sank one of our Navy vessels. The act of war perpetrated against the U.S.S. Liberty has not changed our policy of unquestioning, unconditional and unqualified support for the state whose aircraft sank her and slaughtered many of her crew anymore than the shattering of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center and the hole in the Pentagon changed our almost equal support of the kingdom that produced the mastermind of those attacks. But why not? They may be SOBs but they’re OUR SOBs! We have wrongfully accused and incarcerated far too many for unjust causes and made our children suffer the consequences of our irresponsibility. The economic crisis, climate change, food shortages, lack of health care and the inability to buy decent vehicles online are consequences of our own irresponsibility. All are cases of “chickens coming home to roost,” “people reaping what they’ve sown” or in plain English: what went around came around. It immitigably substantiates Scripture: “Our wrongdoings pile up, our sins stand up and accuse us. Our wrongdoings stare us down; we know in detail what we’ve done.” -Isaiah 59:12 the Message Version (paraphrased) The time for acting irresponsible, “passing the buck,” pointing fingers at the (brain) dead and uncertainty are long over. Measures that President Obama has to implement in our time should’ve been implemented in the time of Teddy Roosevelt. It’s time to accept responsibility and do the right thing to put right what we did wrong for far too long.

Internet car sales! What a

Internet car sales! What a wonderful idea! But why pick on car dealers. Let's ride this puppy all the way. How about buying all pet supplies, electronics, music, groceries, health care services, haircuts, gasoline, etc. online. My personal favorite - no more ugly a** Walmarts sucking away my communities tax dollars on every corner. No big boxes at all for that matter. Never leave the comfort of your McMansion. Need a mechanic for that online car - just order one up on the net. Movies? Eliminate those bulky theaters and watch your computer. Think of all the wide open land that would be available. And what job stimulus - put all the immediately unemployed people back to work trying to restore all this concrete encrusted landscape to it's original grandeur. After all we're going to need all that land since the country has by then totally collapsed and this hemisphere, if not the world, will be starting over with who's left. Mojo offers some (not all) valuable reporting but I think someone did not think this thing all the way through. The ramificatiions of what you propose, if applied universally, would have very radical effects that no one could envision.

I tried to post a comment

I tried to post a comment about a my experience with a crooked car dealer and mother jones made sure the post did not get through. Screw you, mother jones.

Think outside the box people

It amazes me that the posters here, and the writers of this article cannot think outside of the box. Taxes on cars are clooected at the time of sale OR when the car is registered for driinv in the state. If you boought the car out of state, you must PROVE you paid the sales tax of that state. So Internet sales CAN function. ALSO, please people, the 300,000 pound elephant in the room in discussion of ONLINE sales tax is....The Credit card companies. How is ALL internet traffic paid for? Credit card, or some sort of function that dips into your bank account. There is no other way to get money into the system. The CREDIT CARD companies are the ones to now turn to to be the AGENT of the state (as every shop owner has been asked to do when they charge sales tax) and FORCE the CREDIT CARD companies to assess and forward the appropriate sales tax based, on IP address of the ordering computer, delivery of product locale, purchasers billing address. Formula for all. It is alll quite easy. As to whether internet car shopping has or has not worked for one person or another, and this one failed or successful exchange should now be the reason EVERYONE CANNOT perform this function online is ridiculous on its face. It is a purchasing process that we should enjoy, just like all other online shopping experiences. If that is the threashold for your shopping needs, then that is what you are left with. Why can I buy a camera from Best buy online, and pick it up at my local store? Why is that OK, but not being able to go through the orfering process online, and then the Manufacturer tells me that there is an exact model like this X miles away at dealer Y, or there is one missing option 1, at my local dealer. GIVE ME, THE BUYER THE OPTIONS. The seller is in it for the money, make it as easy as possible to buy your product, not support your failed or passe marketing constructs. They loose $2500 from each sale, I almost fell off my chair laughing at this utter bullshit.

Scion

I purchased a Scion (a Toyota brand) in 2005-- using a combination of the internet and dealership. It was a wonderful experience. Scions could be bought, as is, from the dealership, but if you went online, you could customize like mad. The price was set, no haggling, so the total price of the car depended on what you added to the base price. It took about 10 minutes to order the car. I picked the base price, checked the additional options I wanted, got a bill, and took it to the local dealer for them to order. The car came to the local Toyota dealer, I went over and wrote them a check, and that was the end of the matter. It saved me a lot of time and unpleasantness. I'm a little skeptical of the claims here that cutting out the middlemen would lose a huge number of jobs. Most of the guys at my local dealership, where I still take the car for service, don't seem to be salesmen. They seem to be service workers.

"A friend of mine recently

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"A friend of mine recently purchased a new car from a Toyota dealer in the Bay Area using an on-line quote system on Toyota's web site that contacts all dealers local to the customer." Exactly. A friend of mine did this with a new Honda a few years back - it really seems that there IS a way to buy cars online, haggle through manufacturer reps and pick up a car at a nearby dealership at under dealer cost. I was confused about this article. So, er, you can buy a new car online...

I also purchased a 2003 Ford

I also purchased a 2003 Ford Ranger off the internet thru Ford. Entered into the computer what I wanted in the truck, dealer responded with a fixed price and there you have it. No haggle no waiting around in the show room. Many dealers I contacted while doing this complained that they could not sell me the truck for that amount. Ford dealer in New Orleans had no problem taking my money. Did the same thing with a Honda Accord in 2008. Works very well

You know what REALLY gets to

You know what REALLY gets to me: this assumption that every man, woman, and child in this country is jacked into the internet. Guess what? That ain't the case. I think half of the adults in this country have internet access. Allowing for online car sales really only benefits half the nation....the WEALTHIER half. Assume that internet sales decrease dealership sales. Dealerships will have to make up the lost profits by increasing prices on cars and service. So the people who can't buy online will still have to go to a dealership but pay more. And they'll have fewer choices because of their inability to afford an internet connection.

The lady who wrote this

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The lady who wrote this article is very naive. Manufacturers bought Dealerships in the late 90's and tried selling directly to the public. They had no idea what it takes to"sell" a car. After losing a lot of money the bailed out. I wish buying (selling?) a car was as simple as buying a pair of shoes. The complexity in Trucks is amazing. God forbid this lady needed to tow her boat to a lake. She would probably want that done over the internet also. I for one dont buy shoes on th einternet I go to a shoe store. Using her logic we really dont need any retail stores. we should be able to buy everything on the internet. Distribution is an item dealt with in Marketing at any college. She needs to take a class in Distribution before she writes such articles. She is extremely naive.

Your article seems to blame

Your article seems to blame Republicans, for their opposition to internet car sales. But Republicans were also against the stimulus package... and it just passed Could you guide me to a Democratic sponsored bill on this issue that was deraile by Republican opposition, since I am not aware of any? Remember, Democrats have been in control of Congress since 2007!

there are companies making the buying process easier

while much of what the author writes is true, what isn't noted are the companies that make the car buying process much more convenient and hassle-free. For example, for new cars, there's carsdirect.com (nationwide) and cartelligent.com (California). For used cars, there's carsala.com (nationwide).

New cars online

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There is no way in Hades that a dealer sells any car for less then what he paid for it! The truth is, dealers always sell a car for profit. Ford, in 1999 revealed that they made a $10,000 profit on every Ford Explorer they sold, which enabled them to offer their shareholders a massive dividend. The dealers made another $5,000-$7000 profit on the Explorer, but made "only" $2,000-$3000 on the Taurus. Then there are the incentive bonuses: if they sell a specific number of models during a specific time they get a bonus rebate from the manufacture. If they push a certain option package, they get a bonus, if they sell a record number of vehicles, they get a year end bonus, and so on and so on. The dealers then make "gravy" profits on the financing and extended warranties. (don't get me going on those stupid warranties!) . Go into any town, large or small, and who are the richest guys? The auto dealers! They make big bucks selling cars, big bucks selling parts at a 200% mark-up and of course, lousy, unneeded service. It's a racket and thanks to our government, it's a legal racket that has no competition. All dealers, (and come to think of it, all businessmen), cry poverty to the cameras, but behind closed doors they laugh as they count their money! I remember one dealer near me who told me privately he was making money hand over fist selling the hot Honda Accord. When the local TV channel interviewed him that summer, he claimed on camera that he made no more then what he normally did on a Honda! Remember when the Mazda Miata was hot? The dealers made a 100% profit on every one, out the door, and they laughed all the way to the bank. The same with the Chevy Silverado pick-up: a huge mark up on the truck, the options and of course, the obscenely expensive extended warranty. (which covers everything in the event of a comet striking the earth) . Note-I'm a retired mechanic, and the kind of customer dealers hate. . If there is going to be any meaningful reform, it has to be at the federal level. An anti-trust suit would be a good starting point. A national education program, with the folks at "Consumers Guide" as possible leaders, would help educate the public. The industry would be forced to comply, jobs will be lost, blood will be spilled, but in the end, consumers would benefit. By stopping the monopoly, we would also be stopping the bribery that poses as campaign contributing, and lobbying. By cleaning up the auto industry, we can also clean up our government! . BTW---many dealers hold a lot of rotten paper. That deal you made, where the dealer took over the payments on your trade-in? Oops, they forgot to tell you that if they default, the loan goes back to you! No wonder Gm was willing to sell GMAC at a loss!

Dealers have done very well

Dealers have done very well the past 10 years no doubt about it. The numbers being thrown around about losing money upfront are just not real. Some dealers over advance for a trade and hope to make it up in the business office and have a net loss on the front end but work on averages of making money on the trade and business office. If you really want to hit a nerve ask a dealer about his offshore accounts from parts service, f&I. various banks and f&I companies to name a few. By the way this money is not TAXED but they forget to mention that tidbit trust me the larger dealers in each area have MILLIONS off shore each! As far as buying on line the system is not perfect but the times are changing and when / hopefully things change dealers will still want to run lean and mean and will utilize the NET to offset the expense of the coffee drinking cigarette smoking hole in his shoe with honesty and integrity on his desk nameplate Joe the salesman and will replace him with a delivery coordinator who has product knowledge and will work off a flat rather than what they can fleece from you once they hook you on their bait . The NET train is coming they can't hear it yet why do you think Gates is buying into Autonation?

The Twilight Zone The day I

The Twilight Zone The day I walked into Loman Auto of Woodbridge, New Jersey was the day I walked into the Twilight Zone. It was like waking up in a nightmare. I can only describe it as a small child being preyed upon by a predator. It is unbelievable and indescribable. I read the Attorney Generals report over the Internet to late, by then Loman’s had their prey. The tactics used, were just as described in the report, except the report left out a few other things like kidnapping, extortion, interrogation, torture, hostage taking and terror tactics. After dealing with Loman, we have nothing to fear with Osama-bin-Ladin or Sadam Hussein. I would also recommed Loman Auto of Woodbridge, to be a great place to rehabilitate prisoners. And last if anyone has any reservations of what hell is like, just walk into Loman Auto of Woodbridge. There’re not Auto salesmen, they are what the dictionary describes as predators.

erroneous reporting

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You can buy on-line. Multiple ways. Every manufacturer has a "build your car" section on their website, and once you are done it directs you to a dealer with your car. Take the initiative to pick up the phone and negotiate from there. You will be responsible for the taxes in your home state. This is how we bought one motorcycle. Ebay- I know it is just some obscure website no one has ever heard of /sarc/. Many dealers are on ebay. Many many new cars are on ebay. Most have a reserve or a minimum. You still have to pay your home state taxes. Craigslist- again no one has ever heard of it, but try it! /sarc/. Dealers are "hip" to the list and list their entire inventories - you have to search city by city but it's not that big of a hassle. Buying out of town & out of state - you may negotiate a better deal; but if the manufacturers did sales as the author thinks is best - the negotiation is over. Thanks, I can get a better deal without the government jumping in to save me from evil dealerships and other capitalist boogymen. You didn't get a good deal - don't blame the republicans - it's your own fault for being lazy in your research/negotiations.

Any State that Allows Sales directly from Manufacturer?

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Hi, am wondering if there are any states that allows a consumer to buy directly from the manufacturer..

dealerships are a leech on

dealerships are a leech on society. someday, when we can buy cars online, then they will have to find productive work.

Some manufacturers bought

Some manufacturers bought dealerships in the late 90's and tried selling directly to the public. Now most dealerships are financed by the manufacturer

Little confused here-in 2000

Little confused here-in 2000 I distinctly remember, when shopping for a Ford Focus, that there was a website that allowed you to buy a car online, and it would be delivered to your door-I do not recall having to deal w/ a dealer. I ended up going to a dealer using the internet price as a negotiation base. Now that site has gone and any online buying involves waiting for a dealer quote. A gift from 8 years of GW?

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