Who Shredded Our Safety Net?
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Who Shredded Our Safety Net?

What starts with "f," ends with "k," and means "screw your workers"? That's right—401(k).

ON SEPTEMBER 20, 1980, a Philadelphia benefits consultant named Ted Benna discovered an obscure codicil in the tax code known as section 401(k), under which employees would not be taxed on income they chose to receive as "deferred" compensation—money they didn't use until later. The provision had been passed, without any hearings or public debate, just two years earlier as a favor to bank holding companies—but Benna realized that the wording of the law was not limited to banks. Any company could create a savings account in which employees could sock away a little pretax money every paycheck, money that might or might not be supplemented by the employer.

Some of the early supporters of the 401(k) hoped both to spur personal retirement savings and to encourage companies without any pension plans to start them up; "defined contribution" accounts were also seen as more useful for workers who didn't stay in one job long enough to accumulate a significant pension benefit. Others no doubt recognized them for what they were: a huge boon to corporate America, which quickly moved to replace costly defined-benefit plans with 401(k)s invested in mutual funds.

Unions were pressured to acquiesce to cuts in benefits, and workers were sold the idea that 401(k)s offered more "choice" and the chance of high returns in the market. For employers it was heaven: The more stock touts prospered, the more they could cut back their own contributions to retirement plans as well as the premiums they paid to the federal Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation (PBGC). Better yet, they could make their contributions in shares of their own stock and channel employee contributions that way as well—a practice that helped Enron, among others, inflate its stock and left employees high and dry when it collapsed.

It soon became clear that 401(k)s were not going to supplement pensions, but replace them. (See "Scrambled Nest Eggs.") Congress did its part, raising premiums for defined-benefit plans (which had to contribute to the PBGC) and thus making 401(k)s (which did not) more attractive. As time went on, more and more companies froze their defined-benefit plans, creating a two-tiered system whereby longtime workers got to keep their traditional pensions while new employees were routed into 401(k) plans. In addition to their advantages for employers, 401(k)s favored wealthier workers in higher tax brackets, who stood to benefit more from being able to set aside a portion of their salaries tax free.

No one seemed much bothered by the move of a vast portion of Americans' retirement funds into risky securities-based funds. The Fed supported the 401(k) boom, just as it later would the housing boom, by championing deregulation and keeping interest rates low. Who would choose to invest their retirement funds in safe but low-interest bonds or T-bills when they could make 10, 15, or 20 percent in the market? In 1983, according to a survey conducted by two securities-industry groups, just 15.9 percent of American households owned equities; by 2005, the figure was 56.9 percent. More than half of households that owned stocks had first gotten into them through a 401(k) or similar account.

 

I PERSONALLY took part in the 401(k) revolution, though not by choice. Through the 1960s and '70s, I worked at The New Republic and a couple of small publications I cofounded. By this time I understood a little more about how finance capitalism worked, having read the footnotes to Marx's Capital—but since I also now had a house and a son and no money to spare, I never faced any moral dilemmas over whether or not to invest for the future via the corrupt free market. By the 1980s, I had landed at the Village Voice, and when the staff formed a union, one of its demands was a pension plan. By then the defined-benefit plans were out of style, and the best we could get was a 401(k) with a small employer contribution.

Like most 401(k) plans, this one was managed by a major financial company, which offered several choices for where we could put our money. For the staid old farts there was the basic fixed-interest-bearing account, eschewed by the knowledgeable high rollers who bet a quarter of their money in growth stocks and a quarter in balanced income, took a flier on small capital start-up companies, and even put a bit of money into some European pharmaceutical company or Asian sweatshop. To me, it all seemed like hedging your bets at the racetrack: Instead of putting money on a single horse, you put it on several, and hoped they would end up at the head of the pack.

At some point, the irritable lady who changed the mix of funds in our 401(k) over the phone gave way to an online system. Now everyone could be his own broker, Las Vegas in your living room. You heard stories of steelworkers turning up on million-dollar yachts in the Caribbean after their plants closed—thanks to their 401(k) winnings. Folk heroes rose out of the mutual fund business, brash young investment advisers who won huge returns, geniuses who ran hedge funds, touting one stock or another. I watched my 401(k) earnings grow, and at some point, I actually began to think that if I were forced out of the journalism business at 65, I might be able to live on the proceeds.

I was far from alone, of course. In 1983, 62 percent of workers relied on a defined- benefit plan; by 2007, only 17 percent did, while 63 percent only had a 401(k) or similar defined-contribution plan. Assets in 401(k)s had jumped from $92 billion in 1984 to $3 trillion. The rise of mutual funds, combined with the '90s boom and America's demographic realities, did in fact help to drive the current financial crisis. While common sense told you that there was bound to be a crash—that there simply couldn't be that large a pool of genuinely secure, high-quality investments with the kinds of yields people had gotten used to in the 1990s—the global economy bought it nonetheless. "Because, you see," writes MSNBC financial analyst Jim Jubak, "it's the only way out for an aging world that's running a huge shortage of the real stuff. So investors were all too willing to buy fake investment-grade paper—at prices commanded by the real investment-grade stuff—until finally the con was revealed."

Even the mutual fund scandal of 2003—prompted by then-New York attorney general Eliot Spitzer's discovery that a number of major funds and investment houses had colluded on buying and selling shares after the close of daily trading, at a high cost to the small-time, long-term investors who had money in 401(k)s—didn't do much to dampen enthusiasm for the industry. Congress considered some legislation that never passed, the SEC did a bit of impotent saber rattling, Spitzer was defanged by a sex scandal, and investments in mutual funds continued to grow.

Then the crackup began—starting with the speculative-grade instruments so often bundled together in mutual funds and passed off as secure places for Americans' nest eggs. That very "bundling," which was supposed to render the funds safer than individual securities by spreading out risk, actually made it easier to bury bad investments amid the good ones. Many of these funds turned out to be like the stacks of 20s proffered by counterfeiters, with genuine bills showing on the outside and the fake stuff sandwiched in between.

Sometime after I was fired from the Voice in the wake of its 2005 takeover by the New Times chain, a cheery young man called from the 401(k) company. He introduced himself as Joe and offered to guide me into switching my funds to an Individual Retirement Account. Having been impressed by my interviews with John Bogle, I told him I was thinking of moving my money to Vanguard. He demurred, saying he would personally provide me with all the help I needed, offering me private phone numbers and so on. I felt like Joe wanted to be friends. He explained how my money was to be invested, much of it in fixed-rate instruments, and I agreed.

Time passed, the market took a downturn, and I noticed on one of my monthly statements that the fixed-rate investments had disappeared, replaced by what looked like a money market account.

I called the company and asked for my old friend Joe. Joe wasn't available, I was told, but another adviser would help me. A man got on the phone and explained that my instruments had "matured." I said that I was nervous and wanted to get into something really safe, even if at a lower rate. The man quickly assured me that the market was fine, just going through one of its temporary corrections. But every investor was different, he said, and he was anxious to find my "comfort level." I said that to be on the safe side, since I'd recently turned 70, I would like to invest in US Treasuries, perhaps of an intermediate term. He was silent for a moment, then finally said, "Let me get a real expert on the phone. You'll be speaking to Robert. He's a veteran of the market and knows bonds in and out."

There was a pause, and Robert got on the phone. I told him I was thinking about Treasuries, and he let out a bellow of laughter. "Good god, no," said Robert. "That would be terrible. Nobody—nobody should put money into Treasuries."

"But..."

"NO. That would be foolhardy. I have been in this a long time," Robert said. "The market goes up. The market goes down. Don't worry about it." He sounded a lot like Frankie had 45 years earlier on the armory roof. Robert assured me that everything would be all right. In fact, he said, this would be a good time to take advantage of the downturn and buy more stocks while they were cheap.

I said goodbye, not wanting to upset Robert further. He sounded like he might be about to have a stroke. I later learned that Treasuries have a far smaller sales margin than stocks and bonds.

I finally did move my money to another mutual fund company. Following its advice, I put it in a bundle of indexed funds that were supposed to be good for old people who might need to start using the money soon. These so-called target-date funds had relatively low proportions of stocks. Not low enough, as it turned out.

In 2008, the average value of stock mutual funds dropped 38 percent; bond funds dropped 8 percent. Among 401(k) holders, older people who had worked and contributed for 20 years or more, and amassed substantial savings, fared the worst, losing an average of about 25 percent of value, even after counting the money they added through the years. (On top of that, many companies—including Mother Jones—have suspended employer matching for retirement accounts as a result of the economic crisis.)

As for the supposedly safe target-date funds, those designed for investors planning to retire in 2010—less than a year from now—they lost 22 percent. That's about what my losses have come to. If I'd moved into Treasuries, as my instincts dictated, I wouldn't have earned much, but my principal would have been protected.

 

SO WHAT happens next? George Soros, the genius commodities man, says there is no bottom in sight for the market. Nouriel Roubini, a.k.a. "Dr. Doom," the New York University professor who has been predicting disaster for years, says the American capitalist financial system has collapsed and cannot be revived. Vanguard's John Bogle, who predicted the recession two years ago, sees the market continuing to sink before recovery begins. "This is the most difficult set of market conditions I have seen," he told me. Stocks may recover over the next decade, but by then I may be dead. What do I do? "If you can't afford to lose another red cent," Bogle told me when I interviewed him again at the end of January, "you must get out of the stock market."

But to go where? It's too late for me—but clearly the time has come to reform the system that got us to this point. One substantive idea comes from Teresa Ghilarducci, a professor of economics at the New School in New York City who was asked to draw up a pension-reform proposal for the Economic Policy Institute. The institute's proposal is for a "mixed system" that relies on "a strong defined-benefit pension system and a strong Social Security system." To this it adds what it calls "Guaranteed Retirement Accounts," under which workers who don't have access to a defined-benefit plan would be required to put 2.5 percent of their income (matched with another 2.5 percent from their employers) into investment funds run by Social Security and earning a rate of return guaranteed by the federal government.

Modest though it may be, this proposal sadly represents the outer edge of a political debate that is more likely to end up with yet another wishy-washy compromise. As part of its new budget, for example, the Obama administration in February laid out plans for what it calls "a system of automatic workplace pensions, to operate alongside Social Security, that is expected to dramatically increase" retirement and personal savings. The term "pension" in this case is grossly misleading: The plan does little more than require employers that don't offer retirement plans already to enroll employees in a "direct-deposit IRA account" unless they opt out. This pretty much amounts to 401(k)s for all, with the difference being perhaps some improvement in regulation.

Likewise, Congress, never one to throw up obstacles to the advancement of the mutual fund industry, is considering changes to 401(k) structure to head off a rising chorus of screams from angry geezers, who make up a growing sector of the electorate. Proposals include a tepid remake of the 401(k), adding on portability and preventing companies from using the plan assets to prop up their own stocks and bonds.

"There are all sorts of reforms that could be helpful—but only at the margins," notes Karen Ferguson, director of the Pension Rights Center and a leader in a new coalition called Retirement USA, who has long argued for a change in the nation's retirement structure. These reforms range from disclosure of fees to better conflict-of-interest rules on investment advice to adding a fund that only invests in government securities. But, Ferguson notes, none of these changes would "produce either adequate or secure incomes." And unlike the Economic Policy Institute's plan, all of these approaches preserve the power and profits of Wall Street investment banks.

Some economists find this all needlessly complicated. James K. Galbraith, University of Texas economist and MoJo contributor (see "How Social Security Can Save Us All"), wants to see a simple but decisive change: Increase Social Security benefits to the point that people can live off them, leaving the 401(k)s, in effect, to swing in the wind. Conservatives, on the other hand, want to cut Social Security and other old-age entitlements to prevent the mythical collapse of a supposedly insolvent system. (In fact, as Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research has pointed out, Social Security has proved far more solvent and sound than anything Wall Street has produced.)

In any case, with banks hanging by a thread, Wall Street hemorrhaging bailout funds, a growing mass of unemployed workers, and a continuing decline of economic activity, retirement concerns will likely end up last in line. What will older folks do? I can only speak for myself. After getting myself out of the stock market and doing my best to cut expenses (and lower my standard of living), I'm working on accepting the fact that the idea of retirement is over. And I have to wonder if someday the tale of a foolish generation of Americans, who imagined that a lifetime of work would be rewarded with a comfortable and secure old age, will become just another footnote in the annals of the market.

 

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James Ridgeway is a senior correspondent at Mother Jones. For more of his stories, click here.

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Ridgeway still doesn't know what he's talking about

Clearly, Mr. Ridgeway still doesn't understand what investing is, and for him to write an article like this one bemoaning the state of the 401(k) is absurd. For instance, he writes, "Bogle's Vanguard funds gave the lie to the fee scam by replacing the vaunted genius of the mutual fund manager with a computer that constantly evaluates the value and trajectory of different funds." Wrong. Vanguard's computers simply follow the list of stocks or bonds in an index that is handed down to them from a company like S&P or FTSE or MSCI. They don't evaluate anything--in fact the Vanguard computers that DO evaluate things like the "trajectory" of stocks (not funds) have done a lousy job. There's way too much in this article that is either wrong, or leaning so far to the author's negative point of view that it's not worth going point by point. But I dare say that if the author hadn't put any money into a 401(k) he might not have ANY savings for retirement at all. At least he's got something.

nothing but hot air!

You seem to know so much- explain why it is that you're just blowing hot air here.

In March 2003, Salam Adhoob,

In March 2003, Salam Adhoob, a prominent lawyer in the Iraqi city of Suwayrah, was glad to see US forces roll into his country. Iraqis, he felt, would be able "to rebuild our country again." But when he saw looters ransack Baghdad's National Museum on TV, he began to worry that the authorities could not protect his nation's public resources. In the ensuing months, he was horrified as corruption ran rampant amid the postinvasion chaos.

to know anything, you must know that you know nothing

Well professor lets here the breakdown and explanation. And the point is that while he may have something, the money that did get lost went somewhere else. The point of the entire article is where did that money go besides our pockets. Oh yeah someone's privileged pocket . If you invest in a failed business, aka a bad investment, that money does not disappear just because it was mismanaged. The CEO got paid, the now often colluding companies that they did business with got paid. Hence why the 401k is a bad idea for retirement if you can't afford the risk. In fact 99.99% of people who have or manage 401k's don't truly understand how they work because to understand how each 401k works would mean to have access to privileged information. There's the process which is not that hard to understand and then what actually happens which no one would bother taking the time to account for.

"it's not worth going point by point"

Oh! come on! take a little risk and go point by point to explain how Ridgeway is wrong! Your reaction sounds very familiar ... "If you don't know, I am not going to tell you!"

OK; I don't know! I want to know! I need to know! And if you don't clarify, define, defend your statement, I have to write you off as a know-it-all-jerk.

What do we mean by "retirement"?

If "retirement" means lots of travel. golfing, and fine dining, then I guess Mr. Ridgeway is in as much trouble as he says he is. If retirement means "downsizing" and simplifying life, then what's his problem? He's 70, so he has Social Security benefits, plus his investments -- shrunken from their 2007 high, no doubt, but still bigger than they were in, say, 2002. That's enough to live on. As long as we share John McCain's definition of "wealthy" (starts at $5 mill a year), 99% of us are going to see ourselves as deprived. Looking at what is enough is not what we've been trained to do, but it's worth a shot. I'm speaking as someone who took a huge hit in income in order to retire -- to a simpler place and a simpler life -- ten years ago. Recovery from upper-middle-class consumerism was quite a wrestling match at the beginning, but I wouldn't take back a day of it.

You missed the beauty of this.

Don't you see it? What better way to virtually eliminate the estimated 20,000,000,000,000 social security short fall: wipe out everyone's nest egg. And not just their 401K, but the value of their houses and everything else they own. Further devaluate them all by creating robust inflation and what are you left with? A majority of people who will never be able to retire. If you keep working you can't collect social security. It's brilliant really. We all thought they had to either raise taxes, means test or cut benefits. Instead they- Democrats and Republicans-created a fourth way: make it impossible to stop working. Now about that Medicare shortfall.......

Real Pity

Surprising that no one has commented on the loss of the defined-pension programs of the past. By moving employees to 401K plans and setting up parachutes and retention bonuses for the "important" employees -- companies have removed themselves from the liability of the defined plans. Guess the auto companies weren't able to catch that train... Many companies may not have been able to avoid dipping into those funds set aside for the defined plans to cover operating expenses -- a temptation Congress also seems to have suffered, and lost. Perhaps company funds set aside for defined plans might also have suffered losses in the recent Market fiasco -- but there has to be a better way than simply setting employees adrift, staring into the abyss of future Social Security cuts, helplessly listening to the sounds of fluttering golden parachutes in the background... Especially those paid for with taxpayer bailout dollars.

Its very easy to debate the

Its very easy to debate the details of the economic system and thereby assign blame for its failure. I take a big-picture vantage-point. People are born with some amount of inherent corruption and to different degrees, degenerate as they grow older. Sadly, our system too often rewards bad and self-absorbed behavior. This traces back to our (cave-and-jungle) pre-history, wherein "alpha" leaders got 80% of everything and the remaining 20% had to be split among the rest of everyone. Humans also go through regular repetitive phases wherein societies push their luck to the breaking point (and generally beyond). The Vietnam war was such a pivotal event wherein the economically powerful took us into a draft and major war war for profit. Who shredded our "safety net"? Why--we did--of course. I marched against the Vietnam was when I was 10 and more important, I knew why. I've been in more people's faces then most people have been out to dinner. And, my habit is to confront much, MUCH bigger adversaries. As another example, on an earlier MJ blog subject (“This Little Piggy Goes Home”) someone tried to convince us that peanut butter was more dangerous then Animal borne illnesses. The Troll wrote: “ . . . E-coli is exclusively from animals, as is trigenosis, CJD (aka. Madd Cow), bird flu, etc...” Anyone ever heard of an airborne-spread peanut flu? On a cable-TV talk show about 12 years ago I was debating a conservative who was ranting about AIDs being so dangerous that Gays should be separated from society. The Troll argued that the overwhelming likelihood is that a pandemic would arise from at least five other sources first, especially one based on Agra-farm techniques. If you want a safety net, go out and fight for it. Put it one the line. Yes, you will (from time-to-time) be embarrassed and even rejected as a result. Poor frikin babies . . .

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This is a brilliant piece if

This is a brilliant piece if viewed from a plane above the mechanics of investing. It brings home powerfully the idea that for non-professional investors, Wall Street will always find a way to defraud the public from its wages. People who work for a living - even at highly technical jobs - will never have the sophistication or more importantly inside information, to outwit a class of thieves on Wall Street that are empowered, and protected by the "guns" they purchase in Washington. Only the most naive working class persons can faithfully believe that money they put on the Street is going to come back safely at a high rate of return. My favorite line in the piece? "Wall Street has yet to create anything as swolvent and reliable as Social Security."

feeding payroll taxes into the general fund

This talk (much of which comes from brokers and politicians bought by Wall Street) about the alleged underfunding of Social Security does NOT focus on what may be the biggest scam of all: the money American workers pay into Social Security is then fed into to the general fund and spent for no-bid contracts for Halliburton, 8,000 toilet seats for bombers, or whatever the gov't decides. Well, part of it is spent to cover the pensions of the already-retired. But the rest is effectively a REGRESSIVE income tax falling hardest on the heads of those with the lowest incomes. So over the past 30 years, not only has the Reagan Revolution been relentlessly reducing taxes on the rich, it has been pounding the middle & lower classes with a regressive income tax disguised as a pension payment. This naturally led to Bush trying to panic the sheeple into forsaking the allegedly underfunded Social Security system altogether in favor of pumping their retirement savings into Wall Street, where the broker-wolves could eviscerate it with various transaction fees and ponzi schemes.

It was Lyndon Johnson and

It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic Congress that hid the cost of Vietnam by sopping off the social security surplus to pay for the war. That wonderful tradition has continue on with every President and every Congress since then. I don't suspect, after reading your partisan screed that you'd like to take account of that. The Reagan Revolution- for the next 30 years as you say- has resulted in the wealthiness paying a higher and higher percentage of Federal Income tax. Let's not confuse the two taxes, they are different. In addition the end result of reducing taxes has always results in economic growth. It may or may not result in more taxes to the treasury you can look at the statistics a hundred different ways and reasonable people can come to different conclusions. But the elephant in the room, which Obama ignores, is that we need economic growth now more than anything. That's our only savior. Warren Buffet is famous for declaring that he pays a lower tax rate than his secretary and offers to pay $1M to anyone who can prove his room. It may be true that in a percentage total taxes to total income he pays at a lower rate but in terms of cost vs benefit of social security tax, his secretary will do much better. She will get much more back as a percentage of income than he will. We're in a danger spot when the bottom 50% of income earners pay less than 3% of total federal income tax. There is a direct cost-benefit to social security. I'm sure you want you healthcare free, your defense and police protection free, your environment clean and free, sorry you've got to pay for something. PS. We don't have a rich tax. We have an income tax. Use your head and stop calling it "tax cuts for the rich".

"PS. We don't have a rich

"PS. We don't have a rich tax. We have an income tax. Use your head and stop calling it "tax cuts for the rich"." -- But a tax cut based on income is...? They are reductions in payments to the federal government that only apply to a socioeconomic group that are at the higher brackets of income, IE tax cuts for the rich...

So 'higher incomes' are

So 'higher incomes' are 'rich'? Then lower incomes must be poor. Fabulous logic.

Johnson was the 'boss-hog'

Johnson was the 'boss-hog' Democrat, true. But the composition of the two parties was extremely different then today. There were so-called 'liberal' Republicans (and some were QUITE liberal) and there were also conservative Democrats, plus, there were odd fusions of both (odd by today's standards). For example, the Bush family favored legal abortion because they represented affluent families who's daughters wanted to gain college degrees and possibly become professionals. The Gore political family opposed abortion, because their poorer citizens just as soon got marrried and in some respects, the younger the better. Johnson was a pro-military anti-communist. He was also very pro-oil. While he is credited for the voters rights act and other civil-rights legislation, he may have proceeded on that front out of a sense of resignation that there would be no stopping it anyway. Once can not compare democrats of those days, especially South Western Ds with today's mix. As for Reagan: Reagan lowered taxes and especially so re: capitol gains. He campaigned (in 1979 and 1980) on a platform to abolish the (then $73-bln) budget deficite, which he called a disgraceful theft from future generations. You wrote: " . . . the end result of reducing taxes has always results in economic growth." Because it has always been done on borrowed capitol. No magic. No virtue either. Under that marxist-commie Eisenhower, the wealthiest wage-earners paid 90% income tax and capitol gains tax was more then double today's rate. This continued with Kennedy, at which point the USA had the highest economic growth in its entire history, in the range of 6.5%/annum. Only one parent needed to work and people could save money every year. Doctors charged like $25.00/for a house call. Lawyers drove Chevy Novas and unless they were well established, without Air Conditioning. There were like a dozen billionares in the entire world. Today there are hundreds. Lastly, the citizenry had a positive net worth. Today, 2% of the public owns 100% of the equity and 98% owns 100% of the debt. Anyone who does not see the folly in our greed-driven society is either brain-damaged or in gross denial. You don't sound brain-damaged to his Trollness. Respectfully submitted~

'Free' social services

Caspian, you wrote "We're in a danger spot when the bottom 50% of income earners pay less than 3% of total federal income tax... I'm sure you want you healthcare free, your defense and police protection free, your environment clean and free, sorry you've got to pay for something." Guess what? You're right, sort of. We ARE in a dangerous spot when Nestle's CEO makes 7 million a year, and the farmers who actually grow the chocolate cannot afford to feed their families. We ARE in a dangerous spot by allowing the corrupt rich to continue to expand their wealth on the backs of the little guy. Yes, I DO (in the bottom income brackets) have to pay for all these services, one way or another. I pay for them by working as hard, or harder, than the people at the top of the pyramids, while barely eking out a living for myself. Instead of getting pay I deserve and then paying my share towards support of the whole, the money just goes straight to the top. I HAVE 'paid' it, just with my blood, sweat and tears, rather than the dollars the rich never paid me in the first place. I damn well better get free healthcare, schooling, etc., because I contribute my fair share and then some, in the grand scheme of things. Hope that clears things up for you a little.

One thing more to mention...

My company, as many others, has been using the 401k and the way we "owe ourselves to the investors" as n excuse to cut on all sorts of benefits, education, vacation, etc. With the tale that we now also "own" the company (via stocks) we are expected to look after the stock value, not after the workers, we have to lay off people so Wall Street can be happy, we have the worst cheapest medical insurance, etc. and at the end all the big wigs in Wall Street made obscene amounts of money financed by worker's savings and ran away leaving everyone else high and dry. It really blows my mind how no one saw it coming, I always said to my husband that the whole thing was unsustainable, he was making 20% or more which are completely unreal returns and was just not going to last. The sad part is that by gambling in wallstreet people lost not only the returns but also their capital, I am glad I decided to stay out and make my own plans, they might not be spectacular but they are solid.

Galbraith Article Cited

Does anyone have a link or cite to the Galbratih article cited near the end of page two? The link simply send one back to the first page of this article.

RE: Galbraith Article Cited

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Yeah, I had trouble with that link too. Here's the best I could come up with: http://www.motherjones.com/toc/2009/05. Unfortunately it will cost you $15 to go further. So I didn't.

Thanks for share, it helped.

Thanks for share, it helped.

401(k) & Wall Street

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None of it ever should have existed, because the wage is slavery. We should have all worked 10 hrs a week building only 100-story tower cities connected to mag-lev trains. Not killer cars, weapons, etc.

Social Security was always spent by the government

Lyndon Johnson didn't start the practice of the government borrowing the money from the Social Security Trust Fund - that's the way the system was set up, the funds were to be invested in government bonds because that was considered the most secure investment. So the "Trust Fund" was really just a debt that the Federal government owed to workers. The only thing Johnson changed was that he started counting this borrowing as income instead of what it really is - part of the national debt. This was dishonest, but he wasn't raiding workers' retirement funds; he was just lying about the size of the budget deficit - and every administration since has carried on the lie. As for the idea that "we don't have a rich tax" - that's exactly what the income tax was originally intended to be. It was supposed to be a tax on "excess income" of those who had way more money than they needed.

bad link in article

the link "How Social Security Can Save Us All" doesn't go there, it points back to page 2 of this article.

starts with "f," ends with "k,"

Thanks to James Ridgeway for another insightful article on the demise of America. Yes it starts with "f" ends with "k" and is followed by "you". The transference from a defined benefit plan to a risk based retirement was a scam from the get-go.The degenerates who stole the wealth of our retirement funds knew exactly what they were doing and what the end game would be,no retirement for millions of people while the brokers reaped and raped huge fees and profits for their firms while they 'earned' huge salaries for themselves. I am convinced those at the highest levels of government knew full good and well what was coming with the stock and banking scam.That is what was at the heart of Bush's push to privatize Social Security,to postpone the inevitable collapse of the Ponzi Scheme known as Wall St. The Wall St. gang was aided and abetted by a reliable and pliant base in congress eager to sell out their constituants for a few dollars in campaign donations to further their own careers.It's easy for congress to do as they still have a quite generous defined benefit retirement plan of their own with a very high percentage of their salary paid out yearly and full medical benefits at the best national medical institutions. I believe the time has come to strip our representatives in government of their retirement plan and let them flounder in the same quagmire they have saddled us with.What's good for us,as they constantly tell us,would be suitable for them too.

Defined benefit / defined contribution

This is just to point out that even government workers have for the most part been moved from "defined benefit" retirement (Civil Service Retirement System) to "defined contribution" retirement (Federal Employees Retirement System). At the time it was introduced, employees covered by CSRS were offered the opportunity to convert to FERS, to enjoy the benefit of a more portable pension (the money's in YOUR account, you can roll it over into a 401(k)!). So, while federal employees who are retiring now are probably looking forward to defined benefit, most of the federal workforce is as unhappy with the stock market as anyone else.

A Little Confusion Here

Some people in this thread don't really understand what SS will do for you. Many people don't pay the payroll tax. If you do you will see it on your paystub and you should receive a regular report from SS about how much you have paid in. The average SS recipient gets a little over $800/month. If you need Medicare Part B and Part D, the insurance premiums for these programs will be deducted from your check. You will need to make co-payments to doctors and pharmacies for treatments and drugs under these programs. Not to worry, though- you will probably be eligible for about $20 worth of food stamps. If you DIDN'T make any payments to SS, and you don't have any other assets or income, you are a BIG WINNER- you can collect about $500/month in SSI benefits (some restrictions may apply). Social Security just kept our recession from turning instantly into a Great Depression. How much more do you need to know?

Wow - the author of this

Wow - the author of this article really has had a horrible experience with 401(k)s. However after a lifetime of being defrauded by a corrupt Wall Street one has to wonder why he would continue to invest money in the stock market especially since the pitchmen he spoke with so reminded him of his unreliable friend from decades earlier. Oddly enough my experience with 401(k)s have been much different than his. I've never had any smarmy salesmen try to sell me on the importance of buying their particular brand of snake oil. Instead I've had many demonstrations of the importance of judging one's asset allocation based on one's timeframe to retirement. I'm pretty sure the idea of selling a 70 year old retiree on the value of investing in equities is anathema to all of them so I wonder how the author could have had such an experience. Look - this article shows such a basic misunderstanding of how to allocate one's assets (here's a hint - if you're retiring in say the next five years you should have - hmmm let me see - 100% of your money in cash) that I'm almost forced to wonder how many of the injustices he regales us with actually happened. If this truly was his experience then yes he truly did receive a raw deal. The only thing is that it isn't even close to the experiences that I or anyone I know have had.

---------------- Look - this

---------------- Look - this article shows such a basic misunderstanding of how to allocate one's assets (here's a hint - if you're retiring in say the next five years you should have - hmmm let me see - 100% of your money in cash) that I'm almost forced to wonder how many of the injustices he regales us with actually happened. If this truly was his experience then yes he truly did receive a raw deal. The only thing is that it isn't even close to the experiences that I or anyone I know have had. --------------- Hardly: If you're planning to retire in 5 years at age 65 and you intend to live until at least 85-90 year old. Then a substantial portion of your investments should be in the 20-30 year time frame. Cashing out 5 years before retirement would be foolish in the extreme.

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get to the point already. There's no content relavant to the the headline on the first page. I'm just going to guess that eventually the author complains that 401(k)'s fluctuate and go read something else.

401K and Wall Street

Yes, Wall St. has been a ponzi scheme for as long as it has been in existence. When the sheep get fat, as we were seeing until recently, you know it's time for shearing. It's just that the scheme can't grow any more and is ready to collapse. Also, the writer and commenters (whom I found as interesting) didn't mention the nature of our recent economy being one of a cascading series of bubbles. The dot com bubble and bust led to housing bubble and bust, and now Obama and a frantic Fed and Treasury are busy printing money for the next bubble. Guess it's time to buy for the ride up.....

The author does not

The author does not understand even the minimum basics about investing. Every time we have a market correction, people like this author want the government to run investment funds. Where do you think the government would invest the money? What is so sad about this author is his failure to understand that risk exists all the time in everything. The minute you get out of bed, you take a risk that you might fall. Should the government have someone there to stop you from falling? At retirement, the author should have taken the time to interview as many qualified advisors as possible and find one that would listen to him. A good advisor would have listened and either bought US Treasury bonds or something even safer. But in his article it does not show that he ever bothered. Instead he was budy concocting another government program. He ABDICATED his responsibility like so many Americans do with everything in their lives. Some how government has to take care of the needs of people like this author. Given that he was fired from so many jobs, this only proves that what's really broken is the education system. Sir, the only place in the world that ever really tried to take care of everyone from cradle to grave was the Soviet Union. It didn't work. Get educated. There are books. You are retired? READ! There are public libraries full of books on the whole topic! Become educated and emancipated from the idea that government (i.e. someone else) must pay for your retirement and lack of education!

Pensions

I think a defined benefit plan is always a better deal. I work for a municipality now and will get a pension when I retire. I also collect a small defined benefit check from the movie studios. I should receive some social security although, due to the windfall elimination provision, it will not be much. I also have a small IRA. Think I would have had to invest a huge sum of money in the market to get what I'll receive in defined benefits. I was never a high income employee.

Missing the point

This article drastically exaggerates the fee issues. As someone who works on the compliance side of 401(k)'s, not the investment side, I have yet to see a mutual fund that has fees as high as 3.5%. Managed funds are typically in the 1% and lower range (unless a share class is used that pays higher 12b-1s to the broker, but even then I NEVER see them over 2.0%). And in most 401(k)s, there are alot of services provided for the amount of fees involved. Our politicians rant about fees because then they can say how they are looking out for everyone. As to Defined Benefit plans (traditional pensions), those are great plans and many are still in existence. But there are 3 problems with them that I can think of right now. 1 The first being the funding requirements that companies have when the market corrects. Many companies right now just cannot afford to fund to make their mandatory contributions right now....especially in this economic environment. 2. The complexity of the regulations governing those plans (way out of control) have driven the administration and compliance costs sky high. 3. And maybe most importantly....a traditional pension works well when someone spends their entire carreer with one company. If you have a decent pension plan and work 30 years or so with that company, you will receive a very nice monthly pension. However, that isn't the reality of today's worker. People tend to switch jobs multiple times throughout their working life (sometimes voluntary, sometimes involuntarily). If you work for 30 years, and work 5 different jobs over that span, even if each company you worked for had a traditional pension plan, you would end up with very, very little. Working for the same employer for 30+ years just doesn't happen much anymore. Bashing fees, and by association, Wall Street, has become the hip thing to do. But it is being blown way out of proportion.

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The myth of the wonderful world of yesteryear pensions..

More myth building of the wonderful era of pension plans that never was, and a great example of how liars use statistics to make their point.

In research I've done, I believe that no more than 1/3 to 40% of American private sector workers were every covered by defined pension plans, for the simple reason that they were too expensive for medium much less small business to set up.

So I was astounded to see this quote in the article.

In 1983, 62 percent of workers relied on a defined- benefit plan; by 2007, only 17 percent did, while 63 percent only had a 401(k) or similar defined-contribution plan. Assets in 401(k)s had jumped from $92 billion in 1984 to $3 trillion.

Wow it sounds in the like in the good old days most of us had pensions. Ah but here is the actual statistic as quoted in the LA Times.

The transition to the new system occurred largely over the last two decades, with relatively little public debate. In 1983, 62% of workers with employer-sponsored retirement plans had a defined-benefit plan, according to Boston College’s Center for Retirement Research. By 2004, only 20% of such workers had defined-benefit pensions. And the proportion of workers who relied solely on 401(k) plans rose to 63% from 12%.

How convenient that phrase "with employer-sponsored plans" was omitted. The obvious question is so how many people have employer-sponsored retirement plans? Well surprisingly few. According to a 1999 study done by Pension Benefit Guarantee Corp. Who presumably have the incentive and resources to do a good study.

About half of all workers have no employment-based pension coverage. In businesses with fewer than 100 employees, only about 20 percent of workers are covered by any retirement plan. Traditional pension plans, i.e., defined benefit plans, provide a predictable lifetime benefit,
guaranteed by the PBGC. Yet the defined benefit system is stagnating.

In fact back in the early 80s one of the main reasons for the government encouraging the use 401k was because so many company offered no retirement plans. This means that probably far less than 1/2 the companies back in 1983 offered any retirement plans. Meaning less than 1/3 of Americans had a pension plan.

The article is offering us a false choice between the rigged, evil, 401K, and the wonderful pensions of yesteryear. The real choice for the vast majority of American is between a 401K and no retirement plan at all. Defined benefit plans are very expensive to set up and run, these costs are paid by consumer in the form of high prices, and to employees with lower wages.

Ironically back in the 1980s when 401K were becoming popular, I was MJ subscriber, I see MJ journalism standard have not improved.

Future of pensions

Its unfortunate thing but the country cant go on supporting an aging population. More people are living longer and have to be supported by the system, so the only alternatives are to raise the pension age, or ensure that sufficient funds are saved over the course of an average workers career to subsidise for the cost of keeping us once we are no longer able to contribute to paying our way. Murano

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Good Article

You make some good points. I enjoyed the article.

Yeah, I've never thought of

Yeah, I've never thought of 401k's as secure.

That theory is becoming more true every day.

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I would agree that the days of retirement in the sense of traveling, spending gobs of money and not having a worry in the world are indeed over. Social Security can not afford to pay all of the people about to go into retirement. My father in law is aware that with all the hits his 401k has taken in the stock market, he will be working at his oil company until he dies. It sucks, but it's a reality.

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Sir Real hit it on the spot

"The Wall St. gang was aided and abetted by ... congress eager to sell out their constituants for a few dollars in campaign donations to further their own careers... the time has come to strip our representatives in government of their retirement plan and let them flounder" This is really the issue. We have a government composed of people who are willing to sell their souls to the devil to fill their own pockets. Yet the people who are suffering the consequences keep electing the same scum over and over. I guess we don't learn. There are supposed to be protections built into 'our' financial system (weak though they may be) but they are rarely enforced, if they are there, outside of a slap in the hands, there are no real consequences. Many people believe we should protect the very rich from the 'government' taking what they worked so 'hard' for, just to help us poor slobs (that's 90% of the US population) because they actually believe they will some day be as rich. Wake up, you are not Oprah or Bill Gates. The very rich rarely come from the slob social classes. No one needs billions or even hundred of millions to live on. At the very least, remove the maximum income from what people pay for future Social Security and Medicare benefits. A CEO making fifty million a year doesn't pay 15%, he doesn't even pay 1% percent of his income. (How's that for not paying your share.) That, plus 'our' government keeping their paws of the SS money, would solve the problem for year to come. I keep my money in the bank-safety deposit box that is. It pays as much interest-nothing.

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