From Tea Party to Treason

An anti-Obama activist finds a grand jury to consider his extreme charges.
Tea-party style activism has taken some nutty turns before—the Hitler references, the Holocaust pictures. But Walter Fitzpatrick III may be about to push anti-Obama activism to new heights. On Tuesday, he plans to walk into the Monroe County courthouse in tiny Madisonville, Tennessee, and attempt to convince a local grand jury to indict the president on treason and fraud charges.
Fitzpatrick is one of those alternate-reality Americans who believe that Barack Obama is actually one Barry Soetoro, a man who is not an American citizen and thus ineligible to serve as president. Fitzpatrick claims that since March, he has been trying to get federal prosecutors in Tennessee to bring treason charges against the president. All that effort earned him, however, was a visit from the Secret Service.
But then Fitzpatrick evidently discovered that Monroe County has rather liberal rules about grand juries. In most places, only a local prosecutor can present evidence to a grand jury and request an indictment. In Monroe County, any private citizen can show up with a petition and seek an indictment. The most common initiators of such proceedings are usually victims of robberies or assaults, however, not activists trying to unseat the president.
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Fitzpatrick tried this once already, filing a brief in late August that read, in part:
OBAMA-SOETORO IS MY SWORN ENEMY! - And as there were TRAITORS to Italy in Caesars day, I report to this GRAND JURY with force and authority there are senior military officers no more obedient to the CONSTITUTION than their criminal DICTATOR, OBAMA-SOETORO.
But the attempt didn’t go very well. JB Williams, a frequent contributor to the conservative website Town Hall and apparently something of an unofficial spokesman for Fitzpatrick, wrote that the local DA and the grand jury foreman threw Fitzpatrick out of court. (Fitzpatrick could not be reached for a response, and the district attorney was unavailable to comment on this account.)*
Fitzpatrick’s supporters frequently cite his status as a retired Navy lieutenant commander as proof of his integrity and patriotism. What they fail to mention is that in 1990 he was court-martialed for financial negligence, a move that essentially ended his military career. He runs a blog called JAG Hunters, and reportedly lives in Sweetwater, Tennessee. His website provides all the information activists need to file their own treason charges against Obama, and he invites people to copy him on their filings so that he can publicize their efforts. He lists seven others who’ve joined the crusade so far.
Fitzpatrick is hardly the first to attempt legal proceedings against Obama, but his scheme is unique in that it involves criminal allegations. Those challenging Obama’s citizenship in court have usually done so via civil suits (most of which have been thrown out by unsympathetic judges). Others have convened mock "citizens" grand juries to "indict" the president, sending the charging documents to local prosecutors in North Carolina and elsewhere. So far, no prosecutors have taken up the case.
Fitzpatrick is trying to appeal directly to the people through a grand jury comprised of average citizens who volunteer their time. Still, unless the jurors of Monroe County are truly rabid Obama haters, it seems unlikely that they will be persuaded—or that they even have the power to indict the president in the first place. Treason, after all, is a federal crime, not a county-level offense. When I asked a court employee whether the Monroe County grand jury has jurisdiction to indict a sitting president, she seemed rather baffled: "I wouldn’t think so. That would not go before a local court." She observed that the grand jury won’t issue any decision on the case until December 7. But for any real criminal charges to go forward, the local district attorney would have to agree to take up the case, a move that any sane prosecutor would be reluctant to make.
Still, the futility of Fitzpatrick’s enterprise hasn't deterred self-declared "patriots" across the country from rallying around the news of his testimony and planning caravans to descend on Madisonville to lend moral support. The Tennessee chapter of Sons of Liberty Riders, for instance, will be convening at the Sweetwater Comfort Inn at 7 a.m. before riding their choppers to the courthouse.
The planned rally came as a big surprise to courthouse employees. When I told one staffer about the caravan, she was shocked, noting that Madisonville was a tiny place where not much ever happens. She exclaimed, "Maybe we should tell the restaurant across the street!"
*UPDATE: James Stutts, the Monroe County District Attorney, left a message Monday night saying that in fact, Fitzpatrick testified for two hours before the grand jury in August and the jury declined to bring any charges based on his testimony. He also disputes Fitzpatrick's characterization of that appearance and says the former Navy man was not physicially restrained in any way nor was he forced from the courtroom.
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War crimes
IF they were doing it charging him with failure to prosecute war crimes of the previous administration they'd have a good case.
Live in the PRESENT
It is very clear those who still blindly support Obama have a serious problem dealing with the problems of the present day and facing up to the fact Obama has already proven himself an incompetent, bumbling buffoon. Those of you who scream "racism" every time someone disagrees with Obama's policies are totally out of touch with reality and in dire need of psychiatric counseling. Bush has been out of office for nearly a year and Obama continues to war monger and lie, even more so than Bush did. "Change"? Are you truly so delusional as to believe there has been ANY substantial "change" for the better? Until Obama was elected, I was a life-long Democrat, but in the future, I will NEVER vote for any candidates except independents. I AM FOREVER FINISHED WITH THE "TWO PARTY" SHAM!
No substantial change for
No substantial change for the better? What about the Lilly Ledbetter act, ensuring fair pay for women? Even just the fact that we are talking openly about health care reform is a huge change for the better. Profound change rarely comes quick, especially when we are talking about the US government.
Superficial stuff
The Lily Ledbetter Act applies to a handful of women, and its purpose is to cover a technicality of law.
The current healthcare plan will put more Americans into poverty and is not affordable. The House version would cost me $2,500 more per year than what I was paying for health insurance when I lived in the US. It's also asking me to pick up the tab for the unhealthy habits of the majority of Americans. It's bad enough to pay into Medicare and Social Security knowing I'll never see a dime, but asking me and my husband to fork out $10K a year for insurance is criminal. I am all for charity, but not mandated charity. Furthermore, I don't want government to have access to my medical records. No one should. Just think, info about your abortions, STDs, depression alcoholism, drug use, and all that other good stuff becomes property of a government politician. I know several women who won't run for office because they have had abortions and are afraid it will come out if they run for office. Imagine what would happen if the government know everyone's little secrets.
Obama was elected because he promised to end the wars. He has failed miserably on that front.
You're either lying or you're
You're either lying or you're ignorant of the fact that he always said he would escalate the war in Afghanistan. I disagree with the escalation, but he always said he would "finish the job".
He pretended to be an anti-war candidate to appeal the majority
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank. " - Barack Obama Campaign Promise - October 27, 2007
you left out the sentence before - and the important word
the word is Iraq...he's doing just that.
Blind
Blind support is the flip side of blind opposition.
Why do these tea-bangers keep playing the race card?
I find it curious that the only time I hear the word "racist" in reference to President Obama is when it is coming from a tea-banger or a staunch movement conservative. I voted for Barack Obama last Nov.4th because of his policies, not because of his skin. Get over it already.The man won on his own merit. This was never about race so stop already!
As far as this Fitzpatrick person is concerned, he needs to pick and choose his fights a little more wisely. Over the past eight years President Bush ruined our economy. We have 10+ percent unemployment, a broken healthcare system, and a political ideology that has gone awry (the Republican Party.) Do you know why the Republican Party has become so unAmerican? Because you cannot love your country and also hate your government.
YouTube is full of examples
YouTube is full of examples of people who said they would vote for Obama because he is black. And they weren't all black folks saying that, either. It wasn't the reason Obama won, but there were lots of people who endorsed him because of his race. They couldn't tell you what his policies entailed.
You equate government with country. They are not one in the same. Government does not grant rights. People grant rights to government. People have every right to oppose government - and they should.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson
"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." Edward Abbey
The economy was in the can when Clinton took over. In 1992, the US was technically bankrupt. Clinton raided Social Security to balance the budgets and left non-marketable IOUS in the till. It wouldn't have mattered if Gore and Kerry won - the system was designed to fail from the start.
I'd be willing to bet you
I'd be willing to bet you couldn't tell me what Obama's policies entail either.
Only cowards or shills have to post anonymously
Since you are too much o a coward to put your name next to your accusations (either that, or you're a paid shill), all bets are off.
I have a BA in Government, MA in International Relations with a concentration in Strategic Studies (both degrees completed in West Berlin), was accepted by an Ivy League university to do my PhD in Political Violence (didn't want to be a professor or work for government or non-profits, which are just like government agencies), worked for intel in the Cold War, stood on the Berlin Wall the day it came down (and my colleagues laughed when I said the Wall would come down soon), have traveled to more than 30 countries, and own a business in a foreign country (all of which is easily verified). I have a diverse background in a variety of fields. You would lose a bet big time. Unlike you (paid shill or blatant ignoramus), I actually do research all sides of the issues and I never take the corporate media at face value. (Google Operation Mockingbird. While you're at it, Google David Corn Operation Mockingbird.)
I am really beginning to believe you are just working for a PR firm, paid to fill up message boards with lies and personal attacks because you cannot argue facts.
If you cannot own up to your words, you are a shill or a coward. Regardless, nothing to have to say has any merit.
Kelly
You are right on Kelly! Keep writing the facts, there are many behind you.
Happy New year!
Response to "Living in the Present"
While Obama has screwed up, it is simply because he puts too much trust in the idea that the Congress hasn't gone completing insane and is slightly competent. Those of us who "scream" racism only do so when it is an idiot like this who supports idiotic, insubstantial, and disproved conspiracy theories about Obama. You didn't see them complaining about McCain being born outside the country did you?
So because someone doesn't
So because someone doesn't like Obama means they must support McCain? That's the same lack of logical thought used by the other side. A few people did bring up McCain's foreign birth and the questionable circumstances that made his presidential attempt legal.
Regardless, according to the Village Voice, Fitzgerald was going to court to address Posse Comitatus. That the author of the MJ article did not address this and had to throw in the BC stuff says much about the bias. Disinfo at it's finest!
You still haven't addressed posse comitatus. You do know that as of October 2008, US troops were stationed in the US in violation of posse comitatus, don't you? Why was it bad when Bush did this, but not when Obama does it?
I am not an Obama Supporter
I am not an Obama Supporter at all. I didn't vote for him and don't trust him to end the war or keep any campaign promises. HOWEVER, that is not what this aticle is about. This article is about a nut who has no contact with reality accusing the lawfully elected U.S. President of treason and identity fraud based on the nutty idea that he is not a citizen. We DO still need real hope and real change, but this is not the way.
incompetent, bumbling buffoon?
I wonder if this fellow had any words for that incompetent and bumbling buffoon G W Bush. Here is a man, Barrack Obama that started his presidency cleaning up the mess from the worst president in modern history. From day one the Republicans have laid out their policy to do what ever they can to bring this Administration down. It’s like its 1994 again. The fact is when the Republicans lose an election, they consider it treason. They don't accept the fact that President Obama won the election by 9 million votes. His campaign explained what he wanted to do on a variety of issues like Health Care, Iraq, Taxes, Afghanistan and Energy. He won, its called democracy. If you don't like him, guess what? You don't have to vote for him next time. That is called freedom…
It doesn't matter how many
It doesn't matter how many people voted for him. Haven't you ever heard of the tyranny of the majority?
Treason is treason, regardless of how many people voted for you.
WRONG
You will see soon.
Obama will go down as the worst president in history.
Watch...just watch.
He is already the fastest falling president in ALL polls in approval rating.
Does that tell you anything?
See things clearly..please.
TREASON!
The TREASON started back in 1980 When the Republican puppet, Ronald Reagen took office. He flatly stated it was the design of the Republican party to dismantel our constitutional government. Government (our constitutional government) was declared the enemy. Unregulated Capitalism was our savior. After 30 years of Treasonous acts by Republicans and a few Democrats. We had so gutted the government and contracted out everything, even our wars to Defence contractors. there was no FEMA to respond to Katrina, it was no longer funded and all that was left to respond was a door in WDC with the letters FEMA painted on the front. IKE (A Rrepublican President) warned us that the most dangerous national security risk the US was facing back in 1960 was the Defence Contractors, controlling policy. Now their capture of our constitutional government is complete and has been for nearly 20 years. all while you slept. Of course they used News Speak to sell you on all this and even now you are so confused you don't even know who to be mad at. Thats rich. You get the government you deserve and you deserve the government you get. May God have mercy on our souls.
re Attorney at Law
Orly? is that you? I see you pop up on everything that deals with birferism. I love how you still use those ALL CAPS cause you can't throw out that shrill scream when you aren't on camera.
i smell vinegar and it's not in a salad, it's in a bag
It's very clear that those who still blindly hate Obama have a serious problem dealing with the problems of the present day and facing up to the fact that although I'm not psychic I can predict every single response to each and every point a republitard tries to make. If it took you people 8 years to destroy the entire country I'm willing to give Obama a few to fix it. There are still remnants of your conservative scams fouling many corners of this country. So just check yourself into the local mental ward or take an overdose of anything because if you don't like today you're really going to hate tomorrow and let's not even begin talking about next week. So thank you for being finished with whatever you're finished with and now go put on your tea bag ear rings, slap some baloney on your shoulder pads, make a nice little hat out of tin foil and skip on down to your local elected official and scream until he uses his second amendment to counter your first amendment because there's nothing on TV tonight and your death live on CNN would make it interesting at least.
Let's face it, Obama ran on
Let's face it, Obama ran on the fact that he was going to "fundamentally change America". Ask yourself, what are the fundamentals of America? One could assume Freedom, Captialism, etc... So why are Americans suprised when all of his policies lean or stand on a socialist/communits agenda? He is FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING AMERICA. This might be the only campaign promise he is fulfilling. Anyway, I feel in order to get to a Presidential Primary the candidates Personal info minus SS# should be posted on a website for all to see to never have this problem again. The fact that people are unsure if he's legitmate citizen shows the breakdown of our Nation.
birther idiots
Indeed this article is about the fact that we have a nutty fruitcake fringe that is doing all kinds of stupid stuff, wasting our courts and grand juries time and taxpayer dollars trying to argue stupid arguments they have no real evidence to back up and want the grand juries and/or courts to prove their cases for them, which can't be done because the president is a natural born citizen of the United States of America. So frankly, I am sick and tired of them wasting our money with crap. They should have to pay and old Oily Taters should be deported back to whence she came as she is trying to incite sedition by telling her military "clients" they need to take up arms against the duly elected government of these United States.. I have heard the words while watching her mouth move. She is a traitor to the country who took her in and allowed her to become rich. She doesn't deserve to stay if she is advocating violence against the president and government. She should go back to Russia because we do not do military coups here in this country. Advocating such is a crime.
As to the president, when he began his campaign in 2007, our country looked very different. Our economy wasn't in the tank, our jobless rate wasn't through the ceiling and we weren't in danger of a second great depression. Many of the priorities of the candidate Obama had to be rearranged or changed and there were many more issues to contend with by the time the inaugeration rolled around. Some of them, like health care, are important to deal with now, even more so, with all the job loss and people losing insurance. Instead of 47 million uninsured we have many more. No one can state what the reform will cost them, as someone did previously, because it isn't done yet. While I don't like what I am hearing out of the Senate version because it doesn't go far enough, until they have a finished version we don't know what it will look like. I know the president has offered time and time again to work with the repuglicans and they refuse to do so in good faith. They ask for amendments and then refuse to vote for it even when they get want they want. They don't care how many people are hurting, in need of health care, they just want to keep the president from succeeding at anything. How can change happen when Obama has to deal with fools who act more like juvenile delinquents than responsible men and women? When their main interest is collapsing the presidents plans and not the citizens of this country, they have no business being there. I can't say I am happy with the democrats either- they need to get it together. But I am sick to death of the fools in the repuglican party. They have a token chair and radio/tv windbags that have more power than the jerks in the House and Senate. What a circus! How can any change occur in that atmosphere?
Cry Baby Cry
Regarding these anti-Obama obsessive types, I've said if before, I'll say it again: what a bunch of crybabies. Your side lost the election, deal with it.
In the words of the Great John stewart
"You lost. It's supposed to taste like a sh*t sandwich".
its a taco, not a sandwich
its a taco, not a sandwich
Its your ignorance thats
Its your ignorance thats supporting MR Obama/Soetoro. Why don't wake up and realize that if you were apart of that "side" (obama/spetoro) then you F'd up.
Many tens of millions and a
Many tens of millions and a clear majority voted for Obama to be President of the United States. You may hate democracy, but many Americans cherish it. I suggest you move to Russia. They seem to have one of those not-really-a-democracy democracies you seem to advocate for.
Americans cherish democracy
Americans cherish democracy and yet live in a republic. The majority don't know the difference. Simply because millions voted for Obama doesn't mean they liked the guy. They voted for him because he promised to end the wars. He hasn't done that.
Don't look now, but the US has turned into the USSR.
You don't know the difference
You don't know the difference either. China, Iran and North Korea are also republics. The even include the word "Republic" in their names to make sure everybody knows it.
The thing is, "republic" just means "not a monarchy". ANY system of government that doesn't involve royalty is republic.
A republic is not necessarily
A republic is not necessarily a democracy. The discussion was not what defines a republic (lacking a monarch is only one definition), but the difference between a republic and a democracy.
As I am sure that Mr. Anonymous poster knows, democracy means the majority has control over the minority. There is no charter or constitutional protection of individual rights. The will of the majority rules.
A republic has more safeguards. The government is restrained by the charter, in the case if the US, the Constitution, which protects the rights of individuals.
The US has the Electoral College, wherein even if the majority of the population elects a President, the minority vote winner can still win the election.
We live in a republic, not a democracy. Monarchy is irrelevant.
Right. Things would be
Right. Things would be inestimably better if only we had elected John "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" McCain and Sarah "Keepin' an eye on Putin" Palin.
Things would be exactly the
Things would be exactly the same under McCain and Pailn. Actually, things probably would have gotten better because if McCain tried to increase troops in Afghanistan, impose a war tax, and a start a draft, people on this board and their fellow ideological heroes might have finally taken some sort of action. There would have been mutiny. A little revolution would be a good thing. If Obama calls for a draft, would you go? Are you going to pay your war tax? If McCain had won and called fro a draft, would you go? Would you pay his proposed war tax? What's the difference? Is it because he's a Democrat?
"apart" of that 'side' (obama/"spetoro")?
You're just here because you can't read that book you just bought for $4.95.
Before you get more
Before you get more brainwashed by Fitzpatrick who has a grude against the U. S. Government because they kicked him out of the Navy you need to investigate other sources.
funny, i said the same thing
funny, i said the same thing after CHAD-gate or what ever it was called when bush beat gore.
I hate to burst your bubble,
I hate to burst your bubble, but there are droves of former Obama supporters who truly fell for that "HOPE" crap, those who now feel they've been totally betrayed. This whole issue has exploded lightyears beyond thinking its about disgruntled, sour-graped Republicans forming Tea Parties. Many of THEM are still in the dark, as are far too many Democrats. Too many people still taking the Blue Pill.
Gawd, I wish you people would get up to date with what's going on before making inane yuppie comments like "crybaby". It must be nice inside that safe little bubble.
Bull****. Your "droves" are
Bull****. Your "droves" are maybe a few hundred people. The whole "tea party" movement is maybe a hundred thousand tops, almost all of them far-right loonies.
tea bag
Isn't it interesting that the name of the group that is rallying support for this kook's campaign "Son of Liberty Riders" Tennessee is not dissimilar to an infamous so called "patriotic" group called "Night Riders (aka Klu Klux Klan)" Please America, when these cretins crawl from under their rock, let's join together as true patriots and squash them with a hobnail boot.
it's not dissimilar for good reason,
TN is where the KKK originated, during reconstruction.
Actually, the KKK originated
Actually, the KKK originated in Stone Mountain, GA.
No it didn't. The Klan
No it didn't. The Klan originated in TN in the late 1860s/early 1870s, and the "reborn" version of the early 20th century convened at Stone Mountain
tea party to treason
Tennessee is the most beautiful AND MOST BACKWARD place in the US.....went into walmart, clerk see's that I have a roll of ONES, tells me to watch out some of the BOYS might kill you for it....20 FREAKING DOLLARS!! tennessee the home of the 20 dollar murderers!!
TN is where the KKK originated, during reconstruction.
And they were/are all Democrats who still hate the Blacks.
KKK
No, they are not all Dems; most are rapid Repugs, just like you!
I've lived in Tennessee all
I've lived in Tennessee all my life and I don't hate blacks, nor have I ever thought that a roll of twenty ones was a big deal. I **am** a Democrat, but I'm the only one in my family and am represented in the Senate by two Republicans. Sadly, we're not ALL Democrats.
I'm just up the road from Pulaski, the birthplace of the KKK and they get little if any attention around here--not a group we're particularly proud of.
I'm inclined
I'm inclined to believe that you are someone I wouldn't mind meeting. Have a good day.
To The Anonymous: Cowards
To The Anonymous: Cowards always go as... a...non... y... mouse... Let me tell all of your mother jones followers {Exactly} what you as a cowardly {Mu Slim} is saying must happen...Please America, when these {CRETINS} better known as {CHRISTIANS} crawl from under their rock, lets join together as true patriots and squash them with a {HOBNAIL BOOT} or a {BOOT WITH NAIL SPIKES} on the sole...You know just like your buddy {HITLER} did... Well I have a little news for you {Mu Slim}, we Christians are not and never have hid under a rock, only you cowards hide under rocks and hole's; like your past hero's Osoma Bin Laden( who is most likely dead) or Saddam Hussein who was found in a hole in the ground... 2 Thess:2 v11, tells it all. God has sent you a strong delusion that you should believe a lie...When you & your kind find the false courage to try, you will find no virgins, just pain beyond your imagination...
But Bush's illegal, unconstitutional war is ok?
And some people think we're in the post-racist era.
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Rove/Powell/who am i forgetting all need to be impeached for lying us into a war in Iraq for the oil. Bush doubles our national deficit in 8 years and then the GOP under Obama complain about our debt.
And yet these thinly veiled racists look for any reason to lynch Obama.
And yet these people call themselves 'intelligent' life. I'm embarrassed to share my race with you.
For the record, I think both parties are corrupt, on the same payroll, 2 sides of the same coin, to give the uninterested public the illusion of democracy. Clinton got impeached for lying about a blow job; Bush illegally and against our very founding document, the Constitution of the United States, invades a foreign country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 (which could have been prevented had warnings from foreign and domestic sources not been ignored... see
tinyurl.com/carlylegrp
thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html
Vote 3rd party.
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