Too Big to Jail?

Moral Bankruptcy

Why are we letting Wall Street off so easy?

Joseph Stiglitz' new book, Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy, is in stores as of Monday. You can find it online at Powell's.

IT IS SAID THAT A NEAR-DEATH experience forces one to reevaluate priorities and values. The global economy has just escaped a near-death experience. The crisis exposed the flaws in the prevailing economic model, but it also exposed flaws in our society. Much has been written about the foolishness of the risks that the financial sector undertook, the devastation that its institutions have brought to the economy, and the fiscal deficits that have resulted. Too little has been written about the underlying moral deficit that has been exposed—a deficit that is larger, and harder to correct.

One of the lessons of this crisis is that there is a need for collective action, that there is a role for government. But there are others. We allowed markets to blindly shape our economy, but in doing so, they also shaped our society. We should take this opportunity to ask: Are we sure that the way that they have been molding us is what we want?

We have created a society in which materialism overwhelms moral commitment, in which the rapid growth that we have achieved is not sustainable environmentally or socially, in which we do not act together to address our common needs. Market fundamentalism has eroded any sense of community and has led to rampant exploitation of unwary and unprotected individuals. There has been an erosion of trust—and not just in our financial institutions. It is not too late to close these fissures.

How the market has altered the way we think is best illustrated by attitudes toward pay. There used to be a social contract about the reasonable division of the gains that arise from acting together within the economy. Within corporations, the pay of the leader might be 10 or 20 times that of the average worker. But something happened 30 years ago, as the era of Thatcher/Reagan was ushered in. There ceased to be any sense of fairness; it was simply how much the executive could appropriate for himself. It became perfectly respectable to call it incentive pay, even when there was little relationship between pay and performance. In the finance sector, when performance is high, pay is high; but when performance is low, pay is still high. The bankers knew—or should have known—that while high leverage might generate high returns in good years, it also exposed the banks to large downside risks. But they also knew that under their contracts, this would not affect their bonuses.

What happens when reward is decoupled from risk? One cannot always distinguish between incompetence and deception, but it seems unlikely that a business claiming to have a net worth of more than $100 billion could suddenly find itself in negative territory. More likely than not, it was engaged in deceptive accounting practices. Similarly, it is hard to believe that the mortgage originators and the investment bankers didn't know that the products they were creating, purchasing, and repackaging were toxic.

Bernie Madoff crossed the line between exaggeration and fraudulent behavior. But what about Angelo Mozilo, the former head of Countrywide Financial, the nation's largest originator of subprime mortgages? He has been charged by the SEC with securities fraud and insider trading: He privately described the mortgages he was originating as toxic, even saying that Countrywide was "flying blind," all while touting the strengths of his mortgage company, its prime quality mortgages using high underwriting standards. He eventually sold his Countrywide stock for nearly $140 million in profits. If he had kept the dirty secrets to himself, he might have been spared the charges; self-deception is no crime, nor is persuading others to share in that self-deception. The lesson for future financiers is simple: Don't share your innermost doubts.

The investment bankers would like us to believe that they were deceived by the people who sold them the mortgages. But if there was deception, they were part of it: They encouraged the mortgage originators to go into the risky subprime market, because it generated the high returns they sought. It is possible that a few bankers didn't know what they were doing, but they are guilty then of a different crime, that of misrepresentation, claiming that they knew about risk when clearly they did not.

Exaggerating the virtues of one's wares or claiming greater competency than the evidence warrants is something that one might have expected from many businesses. Far harder to forgive is the moral depravity—the financial sector's exploitation of poor and middle-class Americans. Our financial system discovered that there was money at the bottom of the pyramid and did everything possible to move it toward the top. We are still debating why the regulators didn't stop this. But shouldn't the question also have been: Didn't those engaging in these practices have any moral compunction?

Sometimes, the financial companies (and other corporations) say that it is not up to them to make the decisions about what is right and wrong. It is up to government. So long as the government hasn't banned the activity, a bank has every obligation to its shareholders to provide financial support for any activity from which it can obtain a good return. The predecessors to JPMorgan Chase helped finance slave purchases. Citibank had no qualms about staying in apartheid South Africa.

But consider, too, that the business community spends large amounts of money trying to create legislation that allows it to engage in nefarious practices. The financial sector worked hard to stop predatory lending laws, to gut state consumer protection laws, and to ensure that the federal government's ever laxer standards overrode state regulators. Their ideal scenario, it seems, is to have the kind of regulation that doesn't prevent them from doing anything, but allows them to say, in case of any problems, that they assumed everything was okay—because it was done within the law.

Securitization epitomized the process of how markets can weaken personal relationships and community. With securitization, trust has no role; the lender and the borrower have no personal relationship. Everything is anonymous, and with those whose lives are being destroyed represented as merely data, the only issues in restructuring are what is legal—what is the mortgage servicer allowed to do (see "Why Banks Love Foreclosure")—and what will maximize the expected return to the owners of the securities. Enmeshed in legal tangles, both lenders and borrowers suffer. Only the lawyers win.

This crisis has exposed fissures between Wall Street and Main Street, between America's rich and the rest of our society. Over the last two decades, incomes of most Americans have stagnated. We papered over the consequences by telling those at the bottom—and those in the middle—to continue to consume as if there had been an increase; they were encouraged to live beyond their means, by borrowing; and the bubble made it possible.

The country as a whole has been living beyond its means. There will have to be some adjustment. And someone will have to pick up the tab for the bank bailouts. With real median household income already down some 4 percent between 2000 and 2008, the brunt of the adjustment must come from those at the top who have garnered for themselves so much over the past three decades, and from the financial sector, which has imposed such high costs on the rest of society.

But the politics of this will not be easy. The financial sector is reluctant to own up to its failings. Part of moral behavior and individual responsibility is to accept blame when it is due. Yet bankers have repeatedly worked hard to shift blame to others, including to those they victimized. In today's financial markets, almost everyone claims innocence. They were all just doing their jobs. There was individualism, but no individual responsibility.

Some have argued that we had a problem in our financial plumbing. Our pipes got clogged, and we needed federal intervention to get the markets moving again. So we called in the same plumbers who installed the plumbing—having created the mess, presumably only they knew how to straighten it out. Never mind if they overcharged us for the installation, then overcharged us for the repair. We should quietly pay the bills, and pray that they did a better job this time than last.

But it is more than a matter of unclogging a drain. The failures in our financial system are emblematic of broader failures in our economic system and our society. That there will be changes as a result of the crisis is certain. The question is, will they be in the right direction? Over the past decade, we have altered not only our institutions—encouraging ever more bigness in finance—but the very rules of capitalism. We have announced that for favored institutions there is to be little or no market discipline. We have created an ersatz capitalism, socializing losses as we privatize gains, a system with unclear rules, but with a predictable outcome: future crises, undue risk-taking at the public expense, and greater inefficiency.

It has become a cliché to observe that the Chinese characters for crisis reflect "danger" and "opportunity." We have seen the danger. Will we seize the opportunity?

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz is the coauthor of The Three Trillion Dollar War.

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Is this some kind of those

Is this some kind of those liberal website? Because you seem to be making some erroneous leaps in logic here that are usually apparent only in the context of a biased ideology. To say in paragraph 1 "The crisis exposed the flaws in the prevailing economic model", and then in paragraph 2 "One of the lessons of this crisis is that there is a need for collective action" implies that the flaw in the prevailing economic model is that there hasn't been enough "collective action". What makes you presume that the failure wasn't due to too much "collective action" rather than not enough? I'm not trying to argue this point one way or the other (otherwise I'd be writing articles such as this), but it's difficult to take seriously an argument based on an invalid foundation.

What a douchebag!

What a douchebag!

Remember

Remember, everything blew apart under the Bush administration. It was the Bush model(Regans Model) that was flawed.

'some kind of those liberal websites' (?)

Why do you print comments from grammatically-challenged morons? Isn't this taking democracy a little too far?

Your comment.

Your argument is faulty from the beginning.

"The crisis exposed the flaws in the prevailing economic model", and
"One of the lessons of this crisis is that there is a need for collective action" are two independent statements. One does not necessarily depend on the other.

It is difficult to take seriously any commenter that can’t understand that.

Faulty arguments...really?

"The crisis exposed the flaws in the prevailing economic model", and
"One of the lessons of this crisis is that there is a need for collective action" are two independent statements. One does not necessarily depend on the other."

Pray tell how you reach sucg a conclusion. How do you think a society redefine, or modify the prevailing economic model it has? By definition, the actions of a society have a collective nature, don't they?

"It is difficult to take seriously any commenter that can’t understand that."

It is reassuring to know that you are self-aware.

Faulty Logic

"It is difficult to take seriously any commenter that can’t understand that."...........................It is difficult to take seriously any commenter who passes himself as an intelligent person understanding logic!

Um, KAK?

That doesn't even make sense, logically or linguistically. I can't tell if you're trying to insult the responder or correct your own previous statement. I think perhaps you're lost... /b/ is that way ------------>

Next...

Of course, pinch two phrase from a Nobel laureate's article on economics, claim they don't make sense, and you're done... try harder next time... Not even Fox News is so lazy.

Your "commenter" logic flawed.

This crisis was caused by the "Corporate Democracy" of the Republican Party.
The rules were Expressly Made for Corporate America.
If there's a failure of government, it is a failure of the citizen to know and understand how these laws were passed, and Fight Them.
The lobbyist's won, and destroyed our Economy.
We Know who paid the lobbyist's. It was the Business Community.

So your failure of "Government" is a failure of Business.

I swear that we should sell

I swear that we should sell South Carolina and Texas.

Who would buy them?

Who would buy them?

Huh?

"Is this some kind of those liberal website? "

When you start a comment like that, you've immediately lost all credibility pal.

Same old from right

Stiglitz was talking to you. You have low IQ to understand what he says blinded by ideology devoid of common sense. Nutcase like you make things worse.

...your point?

Why bother posting when you aren't willing to state or argue your point? Slight the author and website because you don't understand the logic? I'm glad you aren't writing articles (hopefully of any kind), and I'd suggest you stop commenting until you can put together a cohesive thought. The foundations of Stiglitz' ideas are quite solid and the quotes aren't biased or even opinion. You can cover the sun with your hand, but it still exists.

Asking if MotherJones.com is

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Asking if MotherJones.com is a liberal website is like me asking if you are stoopid. Both questions are clearly rhetorical.

Wow....The statements made

Wow....The statements made couldn't be any clearer OR correct......What don't you get that "the wolves were guarding the henhouse" during most of the years prior to financial collapse??......What don't you understand that these financial institutions need more oversight, and NOT by regulating themselves. What don't you understand that CEOs pay is totally out of proportion with their performance.....And that real worker pay lost 4% from 2000 thru 2008?....Only a real political pawn could try and defend a financial system (or any other system for that matter) that will harm himself and his family....

Annonymous wrote: "Is this

Annonymous wrote: "Is this some kind of those liberal website? Because you seem to be making some erroneous leaps in logic here that are usually apparent only in the context of a biased ideology...."

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morgage ripoff

I would like to point out that 4 trillion dollars has been given to the banks to stablize themand 3.4 million vacant properties exist currently,DO THE MATH
OVER 1 million dollars per property or per forclosure.They're making money
in this situtation which allows them to brag about record profits and recieve bonuses.Now they are selling the homes and collecting more money as pure proffit sinc ethe gov has allready paid off the morgages to the banks.Now they will sell the properties to the insurance companies which they own a large chonk of,and the insurance companies will hold them for a year and allow the price to go up then sell

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"One of the lessons of this crisis is that there is a need for collective action, that there is a role for government. But there are others. We allowed markets to blindly shape our economy, but in doing so, they also shaped our society. We should take this opportunity to ask: Are we sure that the way that they have been molding us is what we want?"

It may help to read beyond one or two sentences. As Mr Stiglitz quite clearly points out above, there are a range of potential solutions to what he perceives as the problem of ersatz capitalism.

And yes, I believe he is a liberal - so take this article in the spirit in which it was written - as an opinion piece.

Bravo

I rather liked this part:

"Part of moral behavior and individual responsibility is to accept blame when it is due."

In my opinion, this is the most important part. People need to understand that there are consequences to their actions. For too long we have encouraged our citizens to believe that it is always someone else's fault when something goes wrong.

If my neighbor over-extended himself on his mortgage, bought a car that was to expensive, took vacations he couldn't afford and is now broke, is it his fault? Joseph Stiglitz seems to think we should blame some bankers in NYC for his misfortune.

The hardy, self-sufficient pioneer ancestors that built this country are rolling over in their graves.

Personal responsibility

>>> If my neighbor over-extended himself on his mortgage, bought a car that was to expensive, took vacations he couldn't afford and is now broke, is it his fault? Joseph Stiglitz seems to think we should blame some bankers in NYC for his misfortune.

"Seems to think" is almost a giveaway of someone who wants to divert or shift blame. The article was largely ABOUT Wall Street and the spread of its "ethos". If you have a problem with your neighbors behavior maybe you should take that up with them. You "seem to think" they are a bigger problem than large powers run amok.

Despite your desire to misdirect blame towards the middle class, the truth is that few people looking for a mortgage did or could have known the risk that Wall Street would be taking with their exotic financial instruments any more than they knew what danger these same mechanisms posed to thgeir 401k plans. Also, if personal responsibility is the issue it's who clear who's paying the price for this experimentation and who profitted and continues to proft. Yes, many of them work in NYC. Please tell me you're not comparing them to "self-sufficient pioneers".

Main Street Is Suffering A Fate Not Of Our Doing

The nation is in the grips of an economic collapse created by Wall Street and Congress. Congress repealed Glass-Steagall and allowed Wall Street to set up a conduit – a GIANT PIPE – which began sucking all commercial and residential loans into security packages that were subsequently used as down payments and anchors on larger derivatives, credit default swaps and other goofy gambling products. Thus began the incredible velocity of monies backed by the taxpayer since 1997.

The loans are insured by the taxpayer, either directly (in the case of most residential loans) or indirectly (in the case of commercial loans where the lenders are federally insured). In those cases where investment banks (the gamblers) who built financial units to sell the securitized loans failed, they too were bailed out with FUTURE taxpayer monies (treasury debt).

All of us out here along the fruited plain must pay back all these trillions. It will take three lifetimes. It is a very real form of human bondage.

This HUGE PIPE created after the 1997 (the repeal of Glass-Steagall), built a sustained GIANT SUCKING SOUND that pulled all loans to Wall Street. The lenders – including the mortgage companies – began to throw anyone with a pulse into the stream since they quickly ran out of qualified loans. The pressure to feed Wall Street became so intense, the loan producers bent all the rules. This includes those community banks who no longer held their own loans and were not guided by self-preservation if the loan they made – failed. They transferred the risk to Wall Street.

The loans are insured by the taxpayer. That is where the Feds come in. Conspiring to defraud a federal insured institution, mis-application of funds, and knowingly filling out financing documents that are false to obtain federally-insured funds, demands prosecution.

It is the S&L Collapse on steroids.

That Congress and Wall Street caused this collapse has nothing to do with those henchmen way down stream who dumped the fraudulently obtained loans into the conduit.

Because the taxpayer and all of us out here away from New York and Washington D.C. are now underwriting a calamity not of our making, well, it demands something on the scale of The Inquisition.

My town got hit by a cataclysmic de facto thermo-nuclear device and I want answers. I want atonement. I want heads. And that includes Congress and Wall Street.

And that includes anyone who had a hand in helping Congress and Wall Street murder larger society.

My city is gone.

if we returned to

if we returned to interest-free money, abolish private bank, which is the Federal Reserve, we could have all the debt repaid, just like Lincoln did. of course, the old time banksters killed him.

any true reform will require cooperation and unity of us, the people.

move your money, folks.

I want to start my own bank

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If I were in an afluent position, I would start my own bank. Blue collar workers would earn 5% interest on their deposits. Professional athletes making millions would earn 1% while investment bankers would qualify for .05 percent. When I loaned money, it would be similar. The working class would pay 5% on their loans, Professional Athletes would pay 15% and those great American Bankers would pay 25%.

nicely put, excellent! I am

nicely put, excellent!

I am with you. My town is not yet dead but the soul is rotting. Until there is a inquisition moral hazard will continue to creep into every aspect of our lives. When crime pays who will want a normal job?

you correct on

you correct on everything.
thanks for the ''huge pipe sucking''' metaphor
i was trying to find the right description about what was happening for 4-5 years now ,and you got it ...
you can use an other metaphor,from the new movie AVATAR
LikeWall Street the corp.in the movie taking all what is valeuable from the
pandora planet and screw everything else

A real world example of the

A real world example of the exploitation of the planet in Avatar is the island of Haiti. I heard recently that many of the telephone poles in our country were taken from Haiti's former hardwood forests. Of course the erosion that ensued was just collateral damage although it has contributed to the extreme poverty of the country. Not to mention the US support of an insane dictatorship who sucked the country dry. Remember Papa Doc and Baby Doc?
Moral Hazard? They are laughing all the way to the bank.

Financial meltdown

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Finally someone who makes sense. Good Comments!
I also want to see heads roll. It is my hard-earned and paid taxes those buggers are wasting. This thing is bad enough to storm the Bastille and reuse the guillotine! The worst is that the foxes are in the chicken coop and we still have people arguing if being on the right or on the left is important. But this is exactly what those big boys want us to do. Then we are blind for the truth and unable to act.
So, stop arguing and do something positive as a citizen: write your congressman/women and tell them what you think!

I guess after reading this

I guess after reading this article that Stiglitz received his Nobel prize like Obama did, in anticipation of some extraordinary work yet to be done because if this article is indicative of the depth of Stiglitz's level of economic analysis, he deserves no prizes of any kind. First, I love the hypocrisy of a tenured college professor criticizing Wall Street for the lack of linkage between pay and performance. Second, to blame Wall Street for all evils is beyond simplistic unless you think government should be responsible for setting pay ratios in the economy. This would be the same government that is in the process of bankrupting social security and Medicare. This is the same government led by such financial geniuses as Barney Frank and Larry Summers who pushed Fannie Mae (led by Democrat political hack Franklin Raines) and Freddie Mac into buying and creating securities out of the patently risky loans originated by Countrywide that are so roundly condemned by Stiglitz. Wall Street certainly bears a great deal of blame but so do several other entities that Stiglitz has conveniently omitted in this incredibly shallow discussion of a very major problem.

Mostly ad hom

Your post is mostly ad hom (nobel, tenure, etc) and then partisan talking points about a lesser issue. Let's pretend that Fannie and Freddie are a big part of the collapse even though THEY didn't use all these exotic instruments. In what way would a congressman from Mass be more responsible than say the POTUS whose admin neutered oversight and the POTUS and congress that removed the regulations that created the casino.

I guess it's not surprising that you didn't choose to deal with key theme of the post which is ETHICS. That's not a comfortable topic for the GOP, is it?

I won't criticize the depth of your economic analysis since you did none. I trust that your bona fides are just not there as you've implied.

Mis-informed by Fox News

You keep harping on Sub-Prime. Prime and Alt-A mortgages have just as high default rates. The rich are always trying to blame the poor. Prime and Alt-A mortgages are have larger dollar values.

Only a fool would segregate out sub-prime for criticism.
Are you a fool?

Wall Street

"One cannot always distinguish between incompetence and deception." My bet is on incompetence and easy money. I am so outraged by the behavior of both parties that is hard for me to say that Obama is an economic illiterate and that the Republicans even have a clue. This clubbism has to stop. We are in deep trouble. I really wish people would start talking to one another--maybe re-read some literature from the '30s. I fear that this "ain't over yet.

moral lapses

Unfortunately this article misses one of the greatest moral lapses of the whole situation and how it has shaped us: our federal government encouraging an entitlement mentality. While the problems on Wall Street have had macro-economic implications, that is not the reason why people have lost their houses. Congressmen like Barney Frank required banks to give predatory loans to people who couldn't afford them in his guidelines to the banking industry. His misguided attempt to encourage home ownership pushed people into situations beyond their means that were bound to fail. People who took on loans they couldn't afford were not blameless, but the majority of the blame lies with the Congressional guidelines and the Congressmen who made them. When states like Georgia tried to enforce their own predatory lending statutes, the Supreme Court over-ruled them based on those same Congressional guidelines. I can't completely fault the Court - they saw a situation where financial instutions had been pushed into an unhealthy situation by federal guidelines - I don't agree with the decision but understand where it came from.

Securitization does break the connection between people in a transaction, but look at the Washington response to it - when an Alabama court ruled that if a lender could not trace the ownership of a mortgage, he could not foreclose on it. The Supreme Court again overruled. The simple idea that there needs to be a borrower and a lender that can discuss a mortgage was rejected by our federal government.

The American Dream

>>> our federal government encouraging an entitlement mentality.

Hate to remind you of this but that's been "the American Dream" since the 1940's - home ownership. NOBODY encouraged predatory loans. Congress incentivized lenders which does not in any way imply predatory. The actions of Wall Street are what allowed them to hide how predatory they had silently become.

>>> I can't completely fault the Court - they saw a situation where financial instutions had been pushed into an unhealthy situation by federal guidelines

I can. Misinformed homeowners are to blame but the court isn't? You're essentially suggesting that their decision is more political than based on law. You can't blame them even for that? No, it was not "Washington" that made the decision. It was a right-leaning court that hasn't exaclty been a proponent of transparency in ANYTHING.

answer: because the

answer: because the mainstream media have - apparently - succeeded in making most people believe there is nothing wrong, this is the free market, don't question any of this or you'll be called a commie or unpatriottic.
By omission (not questioning anything, not following the money) they done a fine job keeping the masses uninformed (and amused). News is infotainment and vice versa.

Wow

A good article, then you get to the comments. Right off the bat, the first commenter exemplifying all that is wrong with the country. How does pointing out that there were flaws exposed by the crisis logically lead such a person into a knee-jerk reaction against the evils of collective action? Ooooh, socialism is coming to get you and your grandma! Americans have been fed this pablum for too long and too many deserve the downhill slide that Reagan put them on, enjoy the ride down!

Nahummer typifies the "me,

Nahummer typifies the "me, myself, and I" mentality, exemplifying all that is wrong with this country. As socialism slowly strangleholds the freedoms our past generations bled to achieve, we have the nahummer's of the world blaming the hard-working class and the people who create the jobs and the wealth that was once so prevelant in our country. It's a shame to see our past generations of heros replaced with sludge-minded cowards waiting for the government to feed them their crumbs.

Me Myself and I

Me myself and I extended right to the top. The wealthy with their power to lobby self enriching legeslation know how to include themselves in the strangle hold of our freedom. Then they place the blame on the working class. No crumbs wanted, just a fair level playing field!

You also typify what's wrong

You also typify what's wrong with America, that being the sort to degenerate one's understanding of the world into a few simple categories. You don't even know nanhummer, and I don't know you, except for what you just said. You also can't deny that the Republican party has pushed the lofty transcendentalist ideal of self-reliance and individualism, but without the individual responsibility. Every time someone calls for collective action, some rich jerk on the right cries "socialism," and people like you parrot it while condemning those evil "liberals" for wanting a handout. Don't be such a sheep. America is acting out a farce of conflict, a grotesque stage play, and everyone is taking their lines from the mass media. Illusion is becoming a kind of reality, a la Genet's The Balcony. There was a time when people went out and knew other people, did business with them personally, and thus were forced to recognize their unity in the system, agree with their ideals or not.

Being engaged with other people operating in the same system is not socialism. Recognize that there are people out there in the vast physical and economic system of the world who need to be raised up, because the margin between rich and poor is becoming ever steeper, and eroding, washing people out to sea, thanks to corporately biased legislation by people on the "left" and "right." Turning a blind eye and blaming people doesn't fix their problems, which will soon become yours. It doesn't change the reality of your connectedness to them. And it's a double-standard to blame the borrowers while the lenders are taking very little responsibility and seeing few substantial repercussions. I'm not talking to you about that sentimental cliche of "similarity in difference" or something, but there is a trail of money between all of us, and a disturbance in one part of the system affects many of us. Recognize that weakness in one part of the system destabilizes the others. Call it what you want.

Lest you call me a "liberal," let me say that the best that we can do in this crisis wherein we are fending almost entirely for ourselves is to work as hard as possible, for ourselves, but also for each other. No liberalism or conservativism. Back to the basics, real individual values, individual responsibility, coupled with social engagement. That isn't socialism, but responsible capitalism.

Trickle down blame

>>> blaming the hard-working class and the people who create the jobs and the wealth that was once so prevelant in our country.

What? Read it again. YThe only blame was aimed at Wall Street and the mindless Reaganomics.

The crisis can easily be

The crisis can easily be traced to the meltdown in subprime mortgages, many of which were attributable to Fannie and Freddie. Mr. Stiglitz and Peter Orzag opined in 2002 that the risk of Fannie and Freddie default was small, and that the "expected cost" of the implicit government guarantee was only $ 2 million. We've blown past $400 billion in explicit guarantees (Treasury eliminated the cap on Christmas eve). Barney Frank stymied the regulation of the GSEs, preferring to "roll the dice" on degrading their underwriting standards. Democrat politicians and operative -- Jamie Gorelick, Jim Johnson, Frank Raines, Rahm Emmanuel -- walked away with millions in compensation as directors or officers of the GSEs. When do we get to hold any of them accounable for thier role in this mess?

Freddie and Fannie

Let's keep the air clear. Fannie and Freddie were privatized by the Bush administration. This allowed private Corps to drain it of it's cash, and they did just that. They are now back under government control where at least they have a chance of survival but the cost of revival will be high.

Privatization is the culpert here. Thank god there was too much resistance to privatization of Social Security!

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Because without Wall Street you would be puss in some pimple somewhere. Wall Street gives you something to beat your liberal rag on. No one cares about you or your views. Like it or not, America does care about Wall Street.

Ooooh, Muddy Water!

It's always the same old refrain---and it is all so blatant.

First we hear all the spew about "the filthy rich"---yeah, and some of them got that way by bilking innocent people.....okay, and the government allowed that.....okay.....so the problem is obviously with corrupt government officials of both parties being bought off by BANKS and Wall Street so that these yahoos could victimize average Americans.....right....okay, I am with you so far.....

And then, the totally inappropriate conclusion: tax the rich to feed the poor until there are no rich no more.

Marxism is a FAILED ideology. Get the flipping news? It doesn't work. Bottom line. It doesn't matter how good it sounds, it doesn't work.

IT DOESN'T WORK!

So all you can do is work with the system that DOES. Too bad that Obama and G.W. were BOTH pawns for the banking elite instead of the people of the United States. Too bad that most Americans are only now bothering to read their Constitution and wake up to just HOW far off course this country really is.

What has NOT worked is tax

What has NOT worked is tax cuts for the rich. The rich keep 85% of their gains (LTCG). They pay a minimal % of earnings to SS, medicare, and income taxes.
They keep 85% of dividends.

Its almost 10 years since those tax cuts. I am still waiting for the abundances of richs that are trickling through to me. More dribbling down the chins of fat bankers..

How exactly is Marxism a

How exactly is Marxism a "failed ideology? I often hear conservatives parrot "truisms" about the fall of the Soviet Union and the Eastern block, but give credit where it's due-for all of bureoucratic collectivism's faults (there has never been a truely Marxist society) it turned the relative backwaters of Russia and China into world powers.
Aside from that, no one here (except maybe me after a few beers) is suggesting Marxism.

Marxist

I didn't realize that before Glass-Steagal was repealed that we were marxists. Thanks for the deep historical perspective.

Fools like avannova usually

Fools like avannova usually attempt to slap the debate with exhaustively rehearsed and programmed words such as Marxism, Communism, or Socialism as an ideological tenet of the opposing view, then used the strawman to club the discourse.

What he and his ilk do not understand is that the majority of the left do support free market, just not in the same fashion that they define it. We want free and "fair" market, not super-Capitalism, not casino-Capitalism. What conservatives are apparently seeking is to drive the government into the hands of the big business--an effective democratic fascism.

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